GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 453
| transience | Posted 8/26/2007 10:28:57 PM | message detail |
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Amaterasu would have a better chance if her name was "Okami." a LOT better chance. --- "There's "Awesome," then a few more notches up there is "Amazing," go a few more up and there's "Impeccable." Finally, after climbing a mountain of distance there's "Yuri Hyuga." - HM |
| creativename | Posted 8/26/2007 10:35:35 PM | message detail |
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Amaterasu would have a better chance if her name was "Okami." a LOT better chance. I think she'd be the clear favorite for 2nd then. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/26/2007 10:37:42 PM | message detail |
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He's already got the strength to hang in there for at least second --
Ness doesn't have to rely on such a vote-drawing ability. He's not so
far behind Alucard, close to Liquid, and would almost certainly beat
Zidane. Also, EB landed #37 on the Top 100 List and made it into the
Game Contest despite the horrible nomination-format while Ness has done
fair enough with seeding...so those may help him in this format. Ness
is already on solid ground... ...we can THEN consider that he's the only Nintendo character of the four while the others are mainly on the PS1. We can THEN consider that Ness is big in three games for two series, which is more than the others can say. We can THEN consider that SSBM is bigger than MGS, C:SotN, or FF9 here. We can THEN say that half the site has gotten a Wii in the last year and SSBB is easily the most anticipated game for both the Wii and GameFAQs right now. Heck, though I doubt it's much, but doesn't starmen.net support him in matches too? That's a lot of x-factors in his favor for a controversial four-pack. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2007 10:41:21 PM | message detail |
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If you're using the fact that SSBM is more popular than a given game on
this site to pick its lesser characters in a match, you've already made
up your mind. And I have Ness advancing. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| creativename | Posted 8/26/2007 10:43:28 PM | message detail |
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I just did some theoretical 4-way analysis that I had neglected to ever
do for the Battle Royale. I figured a simple linear weighting in terms
of strength made sense, though I also believed exponential weighting
would be possible; but I didn't know how that would come about from a
uniform random variable theoretical base, which is what I was using.
And of course in the end the Battle Royale did support exponential
weighting. But I never bothered to look deeper into it. But I just recently did, and got some surprising results. The logic I used was the same uniform random variable logic I used before (see http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/11). For instance, assume there are four random variables, Cloud, Mega Man, Ryu, and Terra. Assume their (mean) strength's are 47.6%, 35.5%, 27.5%, and 17%. Thus their realized values are between [0, .952], [0, .71], [0, .55], and [0, .34]. This mimics voter preferences - the model is that for each voter, each character gets a random value between their ranges, and the character with the highest realized value receives the vote. The question then becomes how to predict this formulaically over scale, given the strength values. I haven't worked on the formula yet, but what I've seen so far is noteworthy. In Excel I did 30,000 instances of these 4 variables, and got the following results in terms of voting: Cloud - 55.07% Mega Man - 28.62% Ryu - 13.83% Terra - 2.47% (!!) Whereas with linear weighting (take each character proportionately), the results are: Cloud - 37.3% Mega Man - 27.8% Ryu - 21.6% Terra - 13.3% The "real theoretical" results are clearly much more skewed than the linear weighting results, or the results of a 2-way match. This is clearly seen with Terra - she'd be expected to get 17.9% against Cloud; even if you divide that by 2 because the number of characters has doubled, you get 8.9%. Yet the uniform random variable results here have her getting a measly, pathetic, stupendously bad 2.5%! Now I don't know how well this applies to the actual voting - SFF is the biggest problem in reality vs. theory for 2-way battles, and it should be even worse for 4-way. And I figure, someone like Terra in this example has got to have some fanbase loyalty, right? There has to be some sort of "friction" against someone being *that* weak, right? But the theoretical results here support the notion of a lot of funky results, because when you will have 1 strong character and 3 weak ones, the strong character is just going to gobble up all the votes. And all sorts of factors could account for differences at the vote-difference levels we'll be seeing between the weaker characters. At some point I'll try and figure out some formulaic way of approaching this. Others are free to give their thoughts and ideas as well. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 8/26/2007 10:44:24 PM | message detail |
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Ammy will only get second because of how weak the competition is in his
four-pack (yes, I know it's been said a lot in many four-packs, but
it's truth at times). I'm thinking the picture will be a factor, though
the Okami box-art image seems to be the obvious one to consider. Little Mac was thought of being Tanner-level fodder for years and has not made ANY appearance in these contests since nominations from users were allowed. It's been five years since he made an appearance and that was only because CJayC liked him enough to put him in the bracket he made himself. That's what I took into consideration when I though of his chances. Matt just comes off as a borderline-joke character to me. Obviously he's not like CATS or Midgar Zolom where everyone voted him as "lol", but the constant "Vote Matt!" topics on Board 8 just gave me that vibe. I'm thinking he's pure fodder as well being somewhere in the bottom the list once all is said and done. Just my thoughts. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/26/2007 10:48:04 PM | message detail |
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| HaRRicH | Posted 8/26/2007 10:52:48 PM | message detail |
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For awhile, I didn't even have Ness advancing. That said, notice I made
my solid argument first to see him advance. The rest of the stuff is
merely x-factor stuff that may bump him a bit more from my assumed
position of second to my assumed position of first, and I consider the
combination of it all quite possible to do it for Ness. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/26/2007 10:53:48 PM | message detail |
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I took Alucard > Ness on gut impulse. I have no idea what to think of that match anymore. --- Currently Playing: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Persona 3 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/26/2007 10:54:58 PM | message detail |
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I went from Alucard > Ness to Alucard > Liquid to Ness > Alucard. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/26/2007 10:56:26 PM | message detail |
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Alucard > Ness is the safe pic here. I'll stick with my safe pic. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Lopen | Posted 8/26/2007 11:08:19 PM | message detail |
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The thing with Ness is... I just don't see him having much of a diehard
backing from SSBM, which would be the majority of his "strength." He's
just another character in a cast full of stars. Yeah, he was fairly
popular in the game in SSB... but I'd say in SSBM his use went down
pretty significantly, no? Against strong characters, he's got Earthbound to not make him crumble so much. Against weak characters, he's got the "SSBM, cool" vote. We've never seen Ness against an established midcarder, and I think in that situation he goes down without a big struggle. Throw in not one but two established midcarders and Zidane, who probably isn't much worse competition than CJ, and I don't see him getting out of there. Now, if you wanna call it on Ness's strength, that's fine. What I said was certainly debatable. But a lot of people are picking him just because he's a Nintendo character vs 3 PS characters... and Liquid deals with that problem nicely, methinks. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| redrocket | Posted 8/26/2007 11:55:31 PM | message detail |
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Anyone have sales figures for Okami? --- http://www.pacifier.com/~zen/creepy.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/56/250px-Clock_Spider.jpg |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/27/2007 12:14:59 AM | message detail |
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Anyone have sales figures for Okami? 200,000 for US and 66,000 for Japan. |
| redrocket | Posted 8/27/2007 12:16:46 AM | message detail |
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Interesting how it sold more in the US.... --- http://www.pacifier.com/~zen/creepy.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/56/250px-Clock_Spider.jpg |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2007 12:18:52 AM | message detail |
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Guys there is one thing that is making me doubt Kefka > Marcus
now...and that is Kefka/Vercetti. Whose to say Marcus won't be on
Vercetti's level? --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| redrocket | Posted 8/27/2007 12:20:31 AM | message detail |
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Whose to say he won't be on Agent 47's level? Who knows? --- http://www.pacifier.com/~zen/creepy.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/56/250px-Clock_Spider.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 8/27/2007 12:22:39 AM | message detail |
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And who's to say Zelos won't thump him? ... no I'm not going there again! --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2007 12:28:34 AM | message detail |
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Another thing that bothers me as I re-look over my bracket... A little thing called the fourpack with Ryu H, Riku, and Roxas. First off, how will SFF affect Riku and Roxas, and second off, we saw what happened to Ryu H when he fought Sora about three years back. So can Riku manage to make sure Roxas doesn't take too many votes from him to overcome Ryu H, or can Ryu H make it through here? For the longest time I've had Ryu H > Riku then Snake > Ryu H, but after consideration, I'm starting to favor Riku here. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Xuxon | Posted 8/27/2007 12:35:51 AM | message detail |
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Man, creativename, I keep thinking about how to translate single
character strength but it always just makes my head hurt. Probably
because I keep thinking there's some way to sort out all the
combinations of inequalities (ie. Cloud > Terra > Mega Man >
Ryu) with Bernouli's theorem using all the combinations of hypothetical
1v1 match-ups. And for all I know, I'd just end up getting the linear
weighting. --- NLB - Level 97/98/98/99/99/99, 39 hunts completed - Undying defeated |
| Lopen | Posted 8/27/2007 12:35:51 AM | message detail |
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Meh, I think it's more the case that Ryu Hayabusa is just that weak in
his Arabusa form. I don't buy any fishy interactions between Kingdom
Hearts and Ninja Gaiden. I've got Ryu Hayabusa doing exactly what you
do, and I'm not too worried. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 8/27/2007 12:36:21 AM | message detail |
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creative, would you mind using the latest numbers we have available for
Cloud/Seph/Link/Mario/Snake/Samus and plugging them into your Excel
sheet, so we could see how closely that formula mimics the actual
results we saw in the BR? Or if you only have it set up for the 4-way,
even just seeing Snake/Seph/Link/Cloud would be interesting. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/27/2007 12:37:18 AM | message detail |
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Anyone have sales figures for Okami? 200,000 for US and 66,000 for Japan. Note: these figures are 2006 only. And who's to say Zelos won't thump him? ... no I'm not going there again! After Sheena vs. Jill, one would think that you had learned... --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2007 12:40:07 AM | message detail |
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So are you counting on Roxas and Riku to SFF one another by chance
Lopen? Then what would happen in a fourpack with Snake? I've seen some
people bring up Action SFF similiar to Dante/Ryu H, but I'm not so sure
that would really come into play. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/27/2007 12:40:54 AM | message detail |
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Amaterasu could be called "Okami Amaterasu"... But I suppose if she were going to be, she would be labeled as such on the bracket. ___ *watches* o_o |
| Lopen | Posted 8/27/2007 12:40:58 AM | message detail |
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Hah! As if I'd learn. ... not to say Mr. Fenix is any Jill Valentine! --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| voltch | Posted 8/27/2007 12:41:53 AM | message detail |
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imagine Riku and Roxas both going through to round 2 just because they
are temporary playable characters,especially riku who is playable for
only about a single minute. --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/27/2007 12:45:48 AM | message detail |
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Also, I think anyone who doubts Matt the Mii should recall Master Hand. That match is all it took to convince me <_< ___ *watches* o_o |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2007 12:49:34 AM | message detail |
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Another random thought that popped up in my head. Jill/Ocelot. I'll be
damned if I can figure this one out. Ocelot has had sub-par showings in
the past, Ocelot/Nemesis in particular comes to mind. And let's face
it, Peach is honestly no damn joke, so such a close lost to her
shouldn't really be embarrassing or anything. And I suppose both
characters have small things to gain small boosts on, things like RE4
Wii Edition and MGS4 hype. I'm starting to think Jill can pull it off
against Ocelot now though, like my original instinct pointed to. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2007 12:51:15 AM | message detail |
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I think people forget how visible Master Hand was in his game - you might have heard of it, Super Smash Brothers Melee. I had MH > Kuja on day one and never thought twice. Matt is in no way comparable. --- delicious cats Commit it to memory. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2007 12:52:27 AM | message detail |
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And the one big time match that bothers me the most...so I've got
Dante/Ganon/Leon/Luigi all in one of the big Quarter Finals. Right now
I've got Dante > Ganon on the assumption that Luigi will hurt Ganon
and siphon some votes. Now one would think that Leon could do the same
to Dante. That match is really hurting my head >_> --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2007 12:54:10 AM | message detail |
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KH has a damn good point. You HAVE to fight Master Hand a lot if you
want to unlock a good portion of the goodies in both SSB and SSBM. You
don't have to do **** against Matt considering Wii Sports has no
unlockables or anything of that nature. It's more or a less a
Multiplayer Only game. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/27/2007 2:59:16 AM | message detail |
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meh, the match that's killing me now is Midna/Kratos Aurion/Scorpion.
I'm kinda stuck between Kratos/Scorpion. sure, Kratos is cult, but if
Kratos is a serious fan-favorite, he could win similar to how Kefka won
over Diablo in the villain multi-poll. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| MMXcalibur | Posted 8/27/2007 3:27:42 AM | message detail |
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Kratos Aurion and any ToS character for that matter, ain't winning a damn match. But you fools keep telling yourselves that.... --- KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (0-0) : AFC Wildcard NEXT: at Houston Texans (0-0) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/27/2007 3:30:08 AM | message detail |
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oh sure, Scorpion seems like an obvious choice to many because he's
stronger, but does he have more hardcore fans? you really have to
consider how different this format is going to be. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| Starion | Posted 8/27/2007 5:00:14 AM | message detail |
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200,000 for US and 66,000 for Japan. That's actually not too bad for 2006 sales since Okami was released late September. Wonder how much the 2007 figures will add to it? --- 100% Frog Log Quest: Current Progress- 400 of 627 Completed: Jaster, Kisala, Deego |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/27/2007 6:17:39 AM | message detail |
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oh sure, Scorpion seems like an obvious choice to many because he's
stronger, but does he have more hardcore fans? you really have to
consider how different this format is going to be. Uh, there are plenty of gamers who'd vote for Scorpion over the likes of Midna and Kratos Aurion. Mortal Kombat may not be respected, but it still has its fans... --- Currently playing: Call of Duty 2, Maverick Hunter X, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Dead Rising, Tomb Raider Legend |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2007 7:00:47 AM | message detail |
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A character who is basically the Wii given form as a character ...Do you really think people are going to see a picture of a Mii, think, "Dude! That guy represents the Wii and I love the Wii, so I'm going to vote for him!" No, that's just plain ridiculous. Give the voters more credit than that. Their thought processes aren't THAT simplistic. And I'm with Lopen as far as doubts about the strength of Ness is concerned. We've seen how characters who draw almost entirely from SSB do in these contests, like Falcon and Master Hand. The thing that pushes Ness from fodder to low midcarder is Earthbound. I just wonder when you throw in three characters against him instead of one, how much support he'll get from the Smash Brothers contingent. We've seen that they don't just blindly vote for SSB characters over anything. Their devotion is much greater to the GAME than it is to the characters themselves, especially if the only point of reference they have for Ness is SSB. Also, I honestly think there's a chance that Liquid is stronger than Alucard now head-to-head. No one really seems to be thinking about the reality of that. If anything, it's close. I was thinking about this the other day: I really wish that Lloyd and Geno had swapped places. That would've made Zero's fourpack even harder than it already is. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/27/2007 7:01:50 AM | message detail |
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Alucard's plan is to wreck brackets with his round 2 victory over Master Chief (Yuna unfortunately gets 1st). Alucard's in no way beating Master Chief. We already saw how much stronger MC is than Alucard last year even when exposed... however, when you mention Alucard... he COULD beat Yuna, if Yuna happens to be at her 2K5 level, rather than her 2K6 level... how intriguing... after all, Yuna didn't do so well in that Favorite FF Hero/ine poll. As for how the results might be expected to go... I'm expecting it to be rather linear. I have a thought that came to mind that probably isn't a big factor, but maybe it's worth SOMETHING: Maybe the reason why Link dominated so much in the Battle Royale is because he is SUCH a heavy favorite by gamers that he'll dominate in a multi-option poll. It's hard to explain... it's like it's easier to become more of a "favorite" than it is to actually get "stronger" in a 1-on-1 sense once you get to a certain level of popularity, since there's always anti-votes and the like. Yeah, and SFF in the Battle Royale, too. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Xuxon | Posted 8/27/2007 9:19:20 AM | message detail |
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Wow I'm getting rusty... Bayes' theorem, not Bernouli's. About Alucard v MC. I have Yuna > MC in my bracket but I do think Alucard's a possibility. Obviously taking 2k6 at face value you'd pick MC. It just seems like too much of a drop to me. See RPGuy for arguments about MCs supposed "hardcore" fanbase, then add in the fact that Alucard might actually have an unusually devoted fanbase, and it at least seems possible to me. --- NLB - Level 97/98/98/99/99/99, 39 hunts completed - Undying defeated |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/27/2007 10:47:41 AM | message detail |
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Why would Alucard have a devoted fanbase? SotN, sure, but no Alucard... --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2007 11:43:55 AM | message detail |
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I've been playing C:SotN on my room-mate's 360 lately and just got over
150% completion...and Alucard is almost as high for me as Ness or
Liquid. Not to say he's one of the greatest or anything, but he's
pretty damned cool. I can't vote for him in probably any match he gets
in for this bracket, but he's definitely likable and vote-worthy for me. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2007 11:48:44 AM | message detail |
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As for the devotion towards him...it's possible. He kept over 25%
against Cloud and Sephiroth (not necessarily saying SFF, just that they
are beasts), C:SotN was #15 in the Top 100 List, I think he's been in
some of the newer CV games on the DS, and if the 360 fanbase takes to
him as much as they have to somebody like Hayabusa or Bomberman (though
it's not like they're pillars of strength) then Alucard should do
plenty good from himself. I think him and Ness will be duking it out
for first. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| Lopen | Posted 8/27/2007 11:48:51 AM | message detail |
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Alucard's a likable guy. I'd put my money on his fanbase being harder
to crack than Yuna's, for sure. But Yuna might have the initial size
advantage to help her take second. (Not to say Yuna's not likable... whatever!) Oho, we were contesting for someone to upset Master Chief? As if. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude Seriously, Master Chief soda... nuff said |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2007 12:03:52 PM | message detail |
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Oh, for advancing past the SECOND round, Alucard is going to have a
hard hard time. Yuna isn't necessarily a big favorite in FFX, but she's
one of the few FF characters who starred in two games (one was GotY
here two weeks after its release, one was runner-up for GotY) and she
really impressed last year; she ended up nearly beating Joanna like
Mario and almost matching Aeris on Zelda while statistically outranking
Ganon the year after losing 61-39 (while misleading, it's impressive
even after consideration). THEN there will also be MC post-Halo 3 and
either another PS-character or a Nintendo character to make it more
difficult for him. I'm taking MC > Yuna on that one...Alucard or Ness, maybe, but I don't see either of them making it through past those two this time. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| smitelf | Posted 8/27/2007 12:08:55 PM | message detail |
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I'm looking at Liquid Snake in lol x-stats, and I'm wondering why the
hell he dropped so far in the rankings between 2004 and the 2005
villain contest. Was he just massively overrated in 2004? --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/27/2007 12:09:52 PM | message detail |
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Being behind a Frog who got 48% on sprite Solid Snake will do that to you. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| smitelf | Posted 8/27/2007 12:11:48 PM | message detail |
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Ah yes, I vaguely recall that hilarity. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2007 12:18:05 PM | message detail |
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Also, just because I'm thinking about it with Ness again...I think a
lot of people are not feeling the idea that Ness will succeed based on
the "only Nintendo rep" idea, which is perfectly cool. I just also want
to point out that Ness might have a touch bigger of an effect than
other Nintendo characters in the same situation because there might be
a "not a PS1 rep" vibe as well. If you weren't a fan of the PS1 and are
on GameFAQs, then you probably had a N64...and since SSB was one of the
more popular games on the system, Ness might receive that association
by being on a game/system they're familiar with... ...just saying, his situation is different from characters like Ridley due to the other characters being less varied. You can probably find more similarities in Liquid/Alucard/Zidane than Leon/Spyro/Vivi, and it doesn't hurt than Ness himself is more varied than Ridley either. This could make Ness a bit more independent from the other three. Just a thought though, and I wouldn't count that by itself for much. I'm simply merging it with the "only Nintendo rep" idea and saying it will probably help Ness more than others, however much or little that either factor might mean. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2007 12:21:29 PM | message detail |
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Wasn't Sephiroth/Liquid SFF a viable idea once upon a time? I think
Liquid easily undershot EVERY prediction we had to go by in that
match... ...and, speaking of Liquid/Sephiroth, I think Liquid did noticeably worse against an arguably weaker Sephiroth in 2k5 than Alucard did against Sephiroth in 2k3. They're old matches now, the format's different, they might have risen/dropped, possible anomalies, blah...but that still happened, so it's food for thought. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
