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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2007 4:14:59 PM | message detail

I think Amaterasu will do better than Little Mac.

Nice. A very weak Fox still beats an inflated Wario. Good find!

Mwahahaha... actually, Fox was adjusted up while Wario was adjusted DOWN. =P I set Cloud '02 to 42% on BL (a little high, possibly, who knows?), while I measured Wario from Shadow 2K4 (the 20XX adjusted version, of course). Finally, those numbers don't represent the strength that they are ACTUALLY at.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:15:47 PM | message detail

Matt probably wouldn't do any better, but I don't think Mac would do that well any more either. It's only a one point match though. Given everything else, it won't make or break any brackets.
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smitelf | Posted 8/25/2007 4:17:34 PM | message detail

The Matt/Amaterasu/Little Mac match is one of those that's just completely impossible to predict. It's like taking a time machine back to '02 - any pick is reasonable.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 4:19:15 PM | message detail

From Lady Ashe Posted 8/25/2007 6:51:05 PM #142
Funny, didn't realize that was why I said that. Oh well, I'm sure you're right.

Given you've more than once said you've never heard of it before this contest, it's a fair assumption.

I do agree that it's being overrated, though; this site has gotten a lot younger. I actually think Amaterasu has the inside track for second place there.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:21:12 PM | message detail

I've heard of it, I've just never given it a second thought before. <_<

But that wasn't why I made my comment. I stopped doing that after I found out Luigi > Zero was supposed to be an upset.
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 4:22:58 PM | message detail

Since people may have played Punch-Out!! years after it came out too, I think the cut-off for people who are likely to have played it is the 26-30 bracket.

1984? Where are you getting that? 1987 and 1990 are the dates GameFAQs has for the two versions.

But even assuming it came out in 1984, that's kind of an absurd thing to say. You basically just had to be in a position to play an NES to get your hands on this game. Used games, man! Anyone up to the 16-18 (18-20 to play it safe) age range is fair game for me to be a likely enough candidate to have played it.

And there was also Super Punch Out, for the SNES, don't forget that.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 4:23:33 PM | message detail

Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:24:52 PM | message detail

GameFAQs is racist? Never heard that before. o.O
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 4:26:55 PM | message detail

Forget racism, Matt won't get the backing of joke votes because it's just not funny.

Neo Tanner? Not Agent 47, but this man... oh yes.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:27:18 PM | message detail

Especially because I'm silly and think Dante will SFF Ammy for some reason. <_<

...Awesome PS2 game SFF confirmed

GameFAQs is racist? Never heard that before. o.O

Look at all the past contest champions and tell me the color of their skin.
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redrocket | Posted 8/25/2007 4:29:24 PM | message detail

Look at all the past contest champions and tell me the color of their skin.

Yeah, that's like saying that DBZ fans are racist cause hardly anyone has Mr. Popo as their favorite character <_<
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:29:24 PM | message detail

I'm thinking it's less about being funny and more about GameFAQ's obsession with Nintendo. He is a Mii. He is easily recognizable as a Mii. That should be enough to get him past the other two. D:
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:30:32 PM | message detail

From Master Moltar Posted 8/25/2007 7:27:18 PM #160
...Awesome PS2 game SFF confirmed

Not quite what I was thinking. <_<
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:31:05 PM | message detail

I forgot Matt was black.. hmm, maybe I should have Mac.. I dunno.
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 4:31:06 PM | message detail

Well, Vivi was bombarded with anti votes against grand pappy cracka Sephiroth and his little Princess cracka Zelda. So maybe I'll buy it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 4:31:24 PM | message detail

Which is what everyone said about CJ > Ness. Sure it's a stretch, but it's no worse than putting Knuckles > Yoshi in round two because of a three year old match.

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smitelf | Posted 8/25/2007 4:32:36 PM | message detail

From Lopen
1984? Where are you getting that? 1987 and 1990 are the dates GameFAQs has for the two versions.

Whoops, I took the arcade game date, sorry (that's what I get for not reading the full sentence in the Wiki article <<).

But even assuming it came out in 1984, that's kind of an absurd thing to say. You basically just had to be in a position to play an NES to get your hands on this game. Used games, man! Anyone up to the 16-18 (18-20 to play it safe) age range is fair game for me to be a likely enough candidate to have played it.

Aside from eBay, you can't even find copies of NES games lately. And honestly, how many 16-18 year olds are going to be playing NES games? Maybe a few, but the vast majority are happy with Halo 2 (and soon Halo 3), FFXII, Bioshock, whatever. Even playing games from the late 90s can be painful for the young'uns because the crappy graphics make their sensitive eyes bleed.

And there was also Super Punch Out, for the SNES, don't forget that.

Ahh yes. I really should have remembered that one, seeing as I own it...
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:32:42 PM | message detail

Gohan's my favorite, but for the record I like the Namek's and Mr. Popo is awesome.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2007 4:33:04 PM | message detail

Dante SFFing Amaterasu is ridiculous... Also, I've played Punch Out and haven't played Okami, yet I'm voting for Ammy, because of its awesome design. =P

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:33:13 PM | message detail

however, Matt is a lot different from CJ; he's a boxer, and he's a Mii. he's not the stereotypical gangster and whatnot. being Nintendo is also a plus..
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:34:55 PM | message detail

From Haste_2 Posted 8/25/2007 7:33:04 PM #169
Dante SFFing Amaterasu is ridiculous...

Yeah, I know. I was just thinking that the type of people who have played Okami have probably played DMC/DMC3 as well. And of people who have played both, I can't really see many preferring Ammy.

Maybe I'm overrating Okami's obscurity. I haven't actually checked how well it sold yet.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:36:16 PM | message detail

I don't think it even sold a million.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2007 4:37:38 PM | message detail

I wouldn't be so sure of Tommy Vercetti beating Ness had he been the star of GTA:SA instead of GTA:VC, considering Ness post-Nintendo boost might be stronger than DK pre-Nintendo boost (when he faced Vercetti).... and if you get nitpicky about numbers, that might seem nearly impossible (Ness at 25% on BL?!), but you know, the numbers could be off a bit.

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smitelf | Posted 8/25/2007 4:37:52 PM | message detail

I don't think GameFAQs is any more racist than anywhere else.

Look at all the past contest champions and tell me the color of their skin.

Umm yeah, let's see here...Nintendo = Japanese, Square = Japanese, and I can't think of a society more racist than in Japan. Lol Barrett.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:40:33 PM | message detail

I do admit that I hate Barret. <_<

But I hate him for the same reason I hate Cid. The needless vulgarity. =/

Is CJ particularly vulgar? It might not have anything to do with race. o.O
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 4:41:46 PM | message detail

Aside from eBay, you can't even find copies of NES games lately. And honestly, how many 16-18 year olds are going to be playing NES games?

Lately, no, it's not easy at all. 10 years ago, when these 16-18 year olds were 6-8? Absolutely you could, at any store that'd sell used games, really. Now, I'll admit, the SNES and Genesis (PS and the N64 were also out, but I'd still say SNES and Genesis had more of a fanbase, especially for young kids) were the big things of the time, but NES play was definitely not completely unheard of back then.

Now, I admit, 18-20 would be more reasonable, and 21-25 is the best range. The latter being about 15 years ago when they were 6-10, which was about when the game was still fresh. I'm just saying don't underestimate the play potential the Punch-Out! series has.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:42:17 PM | message detail

I love vulgarity! =p

CJ was a bit vulgar, yeah.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:55:44 PM | message detail

Umm yeah, let's see here...Nintendo = Japanese, Square = Japanese, and I can't think of a society more racist than in Japan.

Japanese isn't a color!

And GameFAQs hates vulgar characters? Well, I'm surprised Crono is so strong. The things he says sometimes are just...wow.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/25/2007 5:12:43 PM | message detail

Punch-Out!! was released in 1984. Assuming the minimum age of someone playing it to be 6 yrs old (sounds reasonable to me), the youngest gamers when it first came out would be over thirty now. Since people may have played Punch-Out!! years after it came out too, I think the cut-off for people who are likely to have played it is the 26-30 bracket.

What??? You can't be seriously using the release date as a cutoff reference. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out was popular for years on the NES. Then it was re-released with Mr. Dream replacing Mike Tyson in 1990, giving more people a chance to play it. My little brother was born in 1992 and he knows very well what Punch Out is and who Little Mac is. Not to mention there's emulation. You really underestimate the knowledge of the average gamer...
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/25/2007 5:15:25 PM | message detail

Every time I want to give the average GameFAQs voter the benefit of the doubt, I always think of Samus/Tifa or any match involving Snake's sprite.
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 5:19:05 PM | message detail

Hey man, I don't know if true that people just don't recognize the pictures. It's possible people anti-vote Malibu Suit Samus and Solid ****. I've gotta say, I do it. (Not that Samus would've had my vote anyway in that match, but the point stands!)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 5:44:28 PM | message detail

From Draco1214 Posted 8/25/2007 8:15:25 PM #180
Every time I want to give the average GameFAQs voter the benefit of the doubt, I always think of Samus/Tifa or any match involving Snake's sprite.

I was actually going to bring this up earlier. I used to argue that match pics made no difference; now, I'm not sure.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 5:45:59 PM | message detail

From UltimaterializerX Posted 8/25/2007 8:44:28 PM #182

I was actually going to bring this up earlier. I used to argue that match pics made no difference; now, I'm not sure.

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Didn't you argue for TJF in Lara's first match or something?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 5:46:11 PM | message detail

now I'm going 50/50 with Mac and Matt.. only 50% of the site really own a Wii, and if Mac was SFF'd drastically by Link in 2003, it'll seem like Mac is the clear winner.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2007 6:07:35 PM | message detail

I don't even think Matt will get the full backing of joke votes. GameFAQs is very, *VERY* racist. Everyone forgets that Tommy Vercetti would have killed Ness were he the main character of San Andreas instead of CJ. Mac not being known enough gives Ammy the win by default, I think.

Actually, the CJ/Vercetti thing has more to do with their character types than anything else.

CJ is the typical "gangsta" which is almost universally mocked and hated on this site.

Vercetti is the typical italian mobster, which is almost universally loved on this site. Just look at The Godfather, or The Sopranos. Mobsters are the cool side of the criminal life, whereas gangstas are the proverbial foot fungus of society.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2007 6:08:11 PM | message detail

And how in the hell do people think Amatserasu or w/e has any shot? Didn't Okami sell poorly?

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ZFS | Posted 8/25/2007 6:34:20 PM | message detail

Didn't he do poorly against Link? More poorly than is usual for one to do against Link, that is.

15% against Link is more than I would ever expect a Mii or Amaterasu to do, personally.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/25/2007 6:39:58 PM | message detail

But that match happened 5 years ago. We've undergone two voting pool shifts and the votals have increased dramatically since then. I'd say Link does even better on Little Mac.
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ZFS | Posted 8/25/2007 6:40:17 PM | message detail

Think this was one of the few polls with something Punch-Out!! related. Not a whole lot of competition, but it's something!

Which "forgotten" Super Nintendo title would you most like to see re-made or given a sequel today?
ActRaiser 8.3% 5333
EVO: The Search For Eden 8.48% 5451
Illusion Of Gaia 14.64% 9406
Secret of Evermore 11.8% 7582
Shadowrun 8.21% 5277
Soul Blazer 4.85% 3120
Super Punch-Out!! 20.26% 13021
Uniracers 3.12% 2007
Zombies Ate My Neighbors 20.34% 13073
TOTAL VOTES 64270

(http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1529)

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ZFS | Posted 8/25/2007 6:46:45 PM | message detail

Naturally. Link's gotten stronger since 2002. But it's not like there wasn't an overlap there, too. Not saying there was any crazy SFF or anything, though. The absolute bare minimum that you can say from Little Mac is that he managed 15% on Link, regardless of when it happened. That's much more impressive than being a random Mii (which isn't even much of joke) or the main character from Okami. There's no other major Nintendo character here to potentially cause problems either.

And with Punch-Out!! being on the Virtual Console, it's not like gamers haven't had a chance to play it recently.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/25/2007 6:47:56 PM | message detail

There are rare times when the pics matter in matches. It just so happens most of the time they happen in high profile matches >_>
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 6:48:58 PM | message detail

.. it's on virtual console? *switches to Mac*
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/25/2007 6:49:59 PM | message detail

Also, I've been going back and forth between Mac and Matt, but something tells me not many people will know who Matt is(Wii Sports doesn't really focus on the characters...), the Okami voters won't be too strong, and Mac will make it through.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/25/2007 6:52:44 PM | message detail

10% of the site having played Punch Out? What the wha?

Not only was it popular in its original release, not only was it popular with its Tyson re-release, not only was the SNES version popular, not only has it been popular in emulation, it's also available on the Virtual Console, and has been one of the top-selling NES titles in the past month.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 6:53:32 PM | message detail

is there a way to check VC popularity?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/25/2007 6:53:42 PM | message detail

Hell the second game I got for the VC was Punchout. The first was the required Star Fox 64.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 6:54:58 PM | message detail

Didn't know about the Virtual Console bit. Or the SNES game, actually, since nobody mentioned it when I asked about Mac earlier.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/25/2007 7:13:16 PM | message detail

Yes, yes there is. The latest firmware update added a new feature to the Wii Shop that lets you view the Top 20 most-downloaded games of the past week. Guess I'll post those here for the sake of those without a Wii...

North America's Top VC Downloads
Mario 1
Paper Mario
Mario 2
Mario Kart 64
Super Mario World
Mario 64
Punch Out!!
Ocarina of Time
Zelda 1
Link to the Past
Zelda 2: AoL
Star Fox 64
Donkey Kong Country
Sonic 2
Street Fighter 2 Turbo
Pac-Man
WaveRace 64 (NEW)

Others near the top include DKC2, Shining Force, Kirby's Adventure, Kirby's Dream Course, and Excitebike. And a couple others, but I don't have my Wii here to check at the moment.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/25/2007 7:13:44 PM | message detail

And how in the hell do people think Amatserasu or w/e has any shot? Didn't Okami sell poorly?

About as well as Symphony of the Night, I think. That's hardly terrible, especially considering how fresh it is. Alucard's still going strong ten years later.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 8/25/2007 7:22:43 PM | message detail

I'm honestly amazed at how well Punch-Out aged, probably because the gameplay is more puzzle-based focusing on timing, reflexes and logic to beat each boxer. That game is so addictive, I swear.
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