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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 453

Ngamer64 | Posted 8/24/2007 11:19:21 PM | message detail
Good work Haste, I was considering working those out myself. Now finish the bracket with them!

Regarding today's poll...

Have you entered the Character Battle yet?
Yes, I think I can win it 9.7% 961
Yes, but I doubt I'll do well 21.58% 2138
Not yet, I'm still doing research 16.45% 1630
No, it just looks too complicated this year 20.89% 2070
No, I'm tired of the yearly battles 31.39% 3110
TOTAL VOTES 9909

Shame that 30% appear to have just noticed that its another character battle and said "meh, more of the same" without looking into it... they're missing a heck of an exciting bracket. But on the other hand I can understand where they're coming from, since so many of us were saying we were sick of characters and wanted to see Games, until we saw how cool this bracket turned out.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/24/2007 11:23:02 PM | message detail
And although that kind of looks like a lack of interest in general, it's actually a strong improvement from last Summer.

Have you entered the Character Battle contest yet?
Yes, and I plan to win 12.24% 7557
Yes, but I don't have a chance of winning 15.69% 9686
Not yet, I'm still doing some research 7.32% 4519
No, but I might before the deadline 20.87% 12881
No, I'm not interested in it at all 43.87% 27072
TOTAL VOTES 61715

Though to be fair, maybe today's last option is going to balloon up to 40% like this as the day rolls along.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/24/2007 11:27:34 PM | message detail
Not too many days left till the bracket closes....

*Wonders what's a good upset pick to take this year*
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2007 7:01:27 AM | message detail
Just wondering... how did you apply the x-stats with a multi-way battle? I came up with something general that I think works but it's long and annoying.

Set Samus to a constant (say, 45%), then figure out what percentage Frog gets on Samus. Then, divide that percentage by what Samus would get on Frog. Then, multiply that by the constant I gave to Samus (45%). Do that for Axel and Kerrigan, as well. Then, I add up everyone's percentage, figure out how far off from 100% I am, then multiply everyone's percentage by a constant so it all adds up to 100%.

I wouldn't be surprised if you did it the same way. Maybe it would be slightly better if I calculated the percentage expected on Samus from the begining, and set Samus' x-stat value to 50%. Otherwise, I don't know how to make it better...

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adamjaxe | Posted 8/25/2007 7:09:55 AM | message detail
Exactly how far do you guys have Mudkip going? I got him coming second to Luigi through joke votes but I'm not sure as to just how many joke votes he'll get.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2007 7:11:33 AM | message detail
To continue on:

13.75% - CATS
19.99% - Peach
66.26% - Sephiroth

32.44% - Captain Falcon
37.81% - Fox McCloud
29.74% - Wario

15.98% - Big Boss
62.36% - Mario
21.67% - Pac-Man

23.13% - Bomberman
16.14% - Crash Bandicoot
18.24% - Phoenix Wright
42.50% - Magus

17.27% - Miles "Tails" Prower
11.29% - The Boss
37.73% - Vincent Valentine
33.70% - Zelda

61.41% - Crono
20.46% - Sam Fisher
18.14% - Simon Belmont

17.34% - Lloyd Irving
21.63% - HK-47
20.75% - Jak
40.27% - Zero

72.18% - Luigi
27.81% - Tingle

65.32% - Ganondorf
11.82% - Ratchet
22.86% - Vergil

29.76% - Master Chief
12.49% - PaRappa the Rapper
22.31% - Tommy Vercetti
35.44% - Yuna

30.27% - Alucard
30.91% - Liquid Snake
23.58% - Ness
15.24% - Zidane

These calculations do not use my personal x-stats, by the way... they are quite conservative stats (i.e. not tending to be adjusted much unless it's absolutely clear)

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/25/2007 7:38:09 AM | message detail
BOP is updated (46 Brackets) http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls

Here are the results of close matches so far.

ROUND 1

2. KOS-MOS - 23
2. Diablo - 21
2. Arthas - 2

2. Phoenix - 25
2. Bomberman - 21

2. Miles Edgeworth - 23
2. Bidoof - 23

1. Vincent - 25
1. Zelda - 21

2. Zelda - 24
2. Vincent - 21
2. Tails - 1

2. Lloyd - 24
2. HK-47 - 11
2. Jak - 10
2. Zero - 1

2. Pit - 18
2. Mudkip - 18
2. Tingle - 10

2. Ness - 24
2. Liquid Snake - 11
2. Alucard - 11

2. Matt - 20
2. Amaterasu - 18
2. Little Mac - 8

2. Ike - 25
2. Duke - 11
2. Gordon - 8
2. Guybrush - 2

ROUND 2

2. Frog - 20
2. Midna - 18
2. Scorpion - 7
2. Kerrigan - 1

2. Jill - 20
2. Marcus - 12
2. Ocelot - 8
2. Kefka - 5

1. Auron - 26
1. Bowser - 20

2. Bowser - 23
2. Auron - 19
2. Ryu (SF) - 4

2. Vivi - 23
2. Tidus - 19
2. Pikachu - 4

1. Kirby - 26
1. Kratos (GoW) - 20

2. Kratos (GoW) - 21
2. Kirby - 18
2. DK - 6
2. L-Block - 1

2. Sora - 22
2. Aeris - 16
2. Squall - 7
2. Akuma - 1

ROUND 3

1. Ganondorf - 25
1. Master Chief - 15
1. Luigi - 3
1. Yuna - 3

2. Master Chief - 17
2. Ganondorf - 14
2. Yuna - 8
2. Luigi - 7

ROUND 4

2. Master Chief - 18
2. Dante - 15
2. Ganondorf - 7
2. Yuna - 3
2. Leon - 2
2. Balthier - 1

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 7:41:11 AM | message detail
heh, no Kratos Aurion, yet there's one Kerrigan..
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2007 7:44:42 AM | message detail
And there's one person that actually thinks Tails can beat Zelda.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/25/2007 8:10:51 AM | message detail
32.44% - Captain Falcon
37.81% - Fox McCloud
29.74% - Wario


Nice. A very weak Fox still beats an inflated Wario. Good find!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 8:11:57 AM | message detail
so, since Knuckles and Shadow were equal in 2004, is it assumed Shadow will make a jump in popularity similar the way Knuckles did due the poll placement or something?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/25/2007 9:10:11 AM | message detail
Shadow won't be equal to Knuckles, but he will still be pretty strong. Strong enough to beat Tidus now, anyways.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 10:02:43 AM | message detail
yeah.. I'm just thinking if I have Shadow beating Bowser in that four-pack, I may as well go for the Wario upset considering if Shadow actually had some good strength in 2003.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/25/2007 10:14:52 AM | message detail
I think I'm going to have to anti-vote Matt. I keep grounding out to him :-(
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MadGamer_11 | Posted 8/25/2007 10:43:03 AM | message detail
I think Shadow has got a good chance to beat out Auron and Bowser.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 10:43:41 AM | message detail
well, not Auron.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/25/2007 10:45:19 AM | message detail
Knuckles wouldn't beat Bowser. Not sure why people think Shadow would...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 10:49:38 AM | message detail
Knuckles/Bowser would be pretty darn close but I now have Shadow advancing because of the format.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/25/2007 10:52:46 AM | message detail
Well, I was thinking that it's easy to go Bowser > Yoshi > Dante > Knuckles, but Dante and Knuckles are a bit closer than I thought.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 10:54:03 AM | message detail
I think Bowser and Yoshi are around the same level indirectly.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2007 11:11:41 AM | message detail
aww yeah, Shadow bandwagon is taking off.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 11:13:36 AM | message detail
meh, I dunno but I really think he can pull it off in this format.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2007 11:22:44 AM | message detail
Excellent

A Shadow bandwagon = less brackets to worry about

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NominateSerge | Posted 8/25/2007 11:24:09 AM | message detail
I'm not buying people going Samus > Laharl > Kirby or something like that. it's really not going to matter when people don't know who you are.

Yeah, you say that kinda stuff all the time, but yet we've SEEN it happen. People go Yoshi > Pac-Man > Luigi. People go Cloud > Vyse > Tifa. It does happen, regardless of how unlikely you think it is. It's not like every cult character becomes someone that gets voted for every time someone who's played that game sees them in a poll. They have preferences, too. Not all Disgaea fans vote Laharl over everyone else. You're not going to see Samus, Kirby, and Yoshi all score the same on Laharl. It ain't gonna happen. I'm sure there are Disgaea fans who like Samus and Kirby more than Laharl but not Yoshi, or something like that. What's so ridiculous about that? It's the same as with ANY other character. Being cult only changes how many people are out there to be able to have such a preference.

...And why Lloyd is the big favorite to take second in his fourpack is beyond me. Honestly, he makes the least sense of the three, if you ask me.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 11:24:20 AM | message detail
it's not like Shadow doesn't have a chance..
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/25/2007 11:25:40 AM | message detail
Also, I highly doubt most of GameFAQs gives half a crap about some random Mii. I'd wager Little Mac is a more appealing "joke vote," especially if he gets the same picture he got on Link way back when. You can bet that Matt wouldn't be worth 15.69% on BL either.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2007 11:29:33 AM | message detail
A Shadow bandwagon = less brackets to worry about

So how's the Zero and Pikachu bandwagons going?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/25/2007 11:30:08 AM | message detail
2. Lloyd - 24
2. HK-47 - 11
2. Jak - 10
2. Zero - 1


lol wut?

Why Lloyd?

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NominateSerge | Posted 8/25/2007 11:32:15 AM | message detail
"Because he's from an RPG and he was on a Nintendo console, and because Nintendo fans are robots who automatically default to something from Nintendo and have NEVER played another console, Lloyd will take second place, even though he's disliked by a lot of people!"

...That's an exact quote, by the way.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 11:32:28 AM | message detail
Shadow has about as much chance in his match than Zero does with Link.
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/25/2007 11:35:26 AM | message detail
...Shadow has a much better chance than Zero, actually.
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ZFS | Posted 8/25/2007 11:35:36 AM | message detail
2. Matt - 20
2. Amaterasu - 18
2. Little Mac - 8


Whoa. Little Mac is that far behind? Got some underestimation going on there.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2007 11:36:30 AM | message detail
I meant in an at least way.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/25/2007 11:52:32 AM | message detail
37.81% - Fox McCloud
29.74% - Wario


...How do you get this? Wario's 2003 value beats both Fox's 2002 and 2003 values with over 60% on the X-Stats site.
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smitelf | Posted 8/25/2007 12:04:25 PM | message detail
From NominateSerge
"Because he's from an RPG and he was on a Nintendo console, and because Nintendo fans are robots who automatically default to something from Nintendo and have NEVER played another console, Lloyd will take second place, even though he's disliked by a lot of people!"

...That's an exact quote, by the way.


I didn't know Lloyd was disliked by a lot of people. Assuming he has a strong following among those who are big fans of his game (just like HK-47 is near-universally adored by KOTOR fans) it's not that big of a stretch to imagine that Lloyd fans will outnumber HK-47 fans on this site. And yes, that's because of the platform issue - GameFAQs support for PC/Xbox characters has been very weak, Master Chief aside.

But if Lloyd is disliked by a significant portion of ToS fans, I'll gladly switch my prediction to HK-47.

My main issue with Jak at the moment is that I don't see many people voting for him unless they don't know Zero, Lloyd, OR HK-47 - and even then, non-Nintendo platformers tend to be anti-voted regardless of who they're up against, so even if people don't know any of the other characters, is isn't automatically assured that Jak will get the casual vote.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 2:02:07 PM | message detail
From Draco1214 Posted 8/24/2007 6:20:49 PM #080
I don't understand why the L-Block seems so overwhelmingly favored over Laharl here. Would you take Master Hand over Laharl in a poll like this?

Easily.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 2:04:42 PM | message detail
I'd love to know how Falcon is above both Fox and wario.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 2:07:44 PM | message detail
Hey char, wherever you're seeing Slow, ask him to name the non-characters of this contest besides L-Block, or why it's such a bad thing that Sailor Bacon is letting us have our fun with rallied joke noms.

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H__RR____H | Posted 8/25/2007 3:41:05 PM | message detail
Not to mention nearly double the number of characters we saw last year.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 3:45:17 PM | message detail
From ZFS Posted 8/25/2007 2:35:36 PM #132
2. Matt - 20
2. Amaterasu - 18
2. Little Mac - 8


Whoa. Little Mac is that far behind? Got some underestimation going on there.


Really? A character who is basically the Wii given form as a character vs. Some kid from an NES game that maybe a tenth of the site has heard of, and you're picking the kid from the NES game? Mac has no reason at all to have done anything but drop in strength, while Matt should be rather strong for a joke character.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/25/2007 3:47:07 PM | message detail
an NES game that maybe a tenth of the site has heard of

NEWS FLASH! You not knowing what Punch-Out is =! the rest of the site not knowing what Punch-Out is. It's pretentious as hell to assume that your experience is the same as everyone else's.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 3:51:05 PM | message detail
Funny, didn't realize that was why I said that. Oh well, I'm sure you're right.
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smitelf | Posted 8/25/2007 3:54:54 PM | message detail
I think more than a tenth of the site has heard of Punch-Out, but whether even that many have played it is another matter. Though there is a flash version out there...
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 3:57:13 PM | message detail
Hey, I didn't rule out the possibility of 10% playing it. Just saying that it isn't nearly as popular as you guys are making it out to be. I'll go ask around on some other boards that I frequent. You guys need to keep in mind that the average age of a Board 8er is quite a bit higher than that of the rest of the site.
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 4:06:47 PM | message detail
Punch Out's got a following. Not gargantuan, but way over 10% of the site. And of that following, he's likely to have a good chunk of the vote, there. The old school vote, man!

I honestly don't think most people will see the humor in Matt the Mii. L-Block? Absolutely. But Matt the Mii just reeks of Board 8 humor to me. Give me Mac to win that.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:08:42 PM | message detail
Didn't he do poorly against Link? More poorly than is usual for one to do against Link, that is.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/25/2007 4:10:47 PM | message detail
Screw your Mac's and your Matt's. Ammy all the way!

Then again, I may be slightly biased seeing as how I just played Okami over the summer and 100% completed it, but still!
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smitelf | Posted 8/25/2007 4:12:13 PM | message detail
Let's see here:

Poll 2725 (04/18/07)
How old are you?

989 0.81% Under 10
6973 5.71% 10-13
38352 31.43% 14-17
33467 27.43% 18-20
28252 23.15% 21-25
9078 7.44% 26-30
3676 3.01% 31-40
1233 1.01% Over 40


Punch-Out!! was released in 1984. Assuming the minimum age of someone playing it to be 6 yrs old (sounds reasonable to me), the youngest gamers when it first came out would be over thirty now. Since people may have played Punch-Out!! years after it came out too, I think the cut-off for people who are likely to have played it is the 26-30 bracket.

So 10% isn't a bad guess...but add in that it's a classic, and there's a good likelihood that maybe 20% of the site has actually played the game...which is more than I can say for Amaterasu.
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Lopen | Posted 8/25/2007 4:12:31 PM | message detail
Did he do poorly? No doubt. (Okay, also might've been some SFF there... but it wasn't impressive either way)

Would Matt the Mii do any better? Doubt it. All Matt the Mii has are joke votes... who is a fan of a random Mii... and honestly, I just don't see it as a very good joke to the general public.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 8/25/2007 4:14:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, Ammy is probably the worst pick out of the three. (No offense, Moltar =D)

Especially because I'm silly and think Dante will SFF Ammy for some reason. <_<
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