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wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 4:27:18 PM | message detail
Its maybe broke a hundred each in USA and Japan...and unlikely for Japan
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therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 4:54:46 PM | message detail
Okay, if that's the case, forget what I said... But nevertheless, Ninja Gaiden Sigma did draw a good amount of buzz amongst the PS3 fanbase. But like I said, it won't matter much in this contest. It might have gotten Ryu a few more votes in a one-on-one match... but I don't think the buzz would be enough to make them want to vote Ryu over a choice of 3 other characters.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 5:10:32 PM | message detail
Ryu does have Dragon Sword coming though...and its on the DS
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/21/2007 5:28:19 PM | message detail
Heh, I could see a lot of similar fanbases converging in that poll. We have MGS vs. KH, and three characters who just radiate badassery. Should be interesting.
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ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 7:05:49 PM | message detail
Think the 500,000 number was either the amount they shipped, or what they were hoping to achieve sales-wise.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 8/21/2007 7:20:56 PM | message detail
Ninja Gaiden's sales are almost 200,000.

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6634
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 7:21:58 PM | message detail
uh oh. here we go!

I love how video game sales charts have become "official".
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 7:25:34 PM | message detail
200,000! That's enough to sway an entire poll! Ryu H for 2007 Championship confirmed!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 7:25:52 PM | message detail
Sales in Japan aren't going to do much for Hayabusa in this contest. But it's besides the point, anyway, as Hayabusa is a long shot to finish ahead of Riku. We have an extremely easy way to compare the two - Riku did exactly 10% better on Yoshi than Hayabusa on Dante. Snake and Vyse/Nightmare might make things interesting, but that's quite a gap to overcome.
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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 7:48:12 PM | message detail
Ryu H. at least finishes first in Round 1. Riku and Rixas split KH votes, obviously
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 7:51:12 PM | message detail
I don't know about Ryu H finishing first.. I don't think Roxas will drain Riku bad enough for him to get down to Ryu's tier. Riku is quite a step up.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 7:54:54 PM | message detail
also, tran, I'm curious as to see your x-stat list again to compare your adjustments to mine.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 7:55:14 PM | message detail
http://transience.paragonsigma.com/2k6xstats.txt
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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 7:56:11 PM | message detail
http://transience.paragonsigma.com/2k6xstats.txt


I don't like these stats.

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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 7:56:26 PM | message detail
Why is Auron ahead of Zelda?

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 7:58:23 PM | message detail
anyone ever thought that Snake/Yoshi MIGHT have been at least close to legit?

I don't know where Samus' value comes from but.. if you put it around the 43% area, Yoshi's value actually makes SOME kind of sense if you put Dante in there as well.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 7:59:03 PM | message detail
Yoshi = Squall? eh.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 8:00:00 PM | message detail
for that matter, Dante = Squall. not buying it giving 2005 AND KH2.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 8:00:08 PM | message detail
er, given.
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ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 8:00:11 PM | message detail
Why is Auron ahead of Zelda?

justice

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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 8:00:14 PM | message detail
If Yoshi = Squall, then Dante = Squall. I don't think so. I think Snake/Yoshi would be a 60/40 affair under normal circumstances
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 8:01:57 PM | message detail
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 8:03:08 PM | message detail
I see no reason to doubt that - look at Kirby 2k4.

but for the sake of pretty numbers, and given Bowser last year, not to mention Frog... I'll stick with adjusting him off 2k5 Dante, which many people thought was already a generous number.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 8:03:40 PM | message detail
the picture doesn't seem so... wrong to me though. it seems that Yoshi COULD overperform a bit but not to such a large extent. and something just tells me Yoshi actually did score just about that much on Snake. he DID beat Dante.
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Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/21/2007 8:06:02 PM | message detail
Most seem to say Dante > Leon, but then others say they're both Capcom so they both probably won't be able to advance, especially against two FF characters. Why is this point of advice being so frequently overlooked?

While I might note that it seems I am of the one or two making such an argument, I'm not giving up on this yet <_<

I want to break this down to be simple, as it seems to me that any of the four characters could get first, and any character could get second (excepting, I think, Balthier/Vivi and vice versa).

Vivi's advantage is his impressive performance against Sephiroth. If there is a character with a dedicated fanbase, it's probably Vivi, who I believe certainly has more appeal and development than MC. Depending on Balthier's actual strength, he might even cause some rSFF (not that it could be measured in this format).

Dante is the strongest, likely, of the four. Balthier could be surprisingly up there, but I don't think he would surpass Auron, so that leaves little room, but perhaps enough.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Leon is the only character on Nintendo consoles (2 of them), but all characters still have the same base in the PS2. He probably will rise from the last year, when Dante has no reason to.

Other things about the match in general: there will be votes split between Leon and Dante. The games (and in a sense, the characters) are just too similar to deny this. The PS2 fans will have to choose one of them. Of the people who have a Gamecube/Wii and not a PS2 and know of/played RE4 (I have no idea how many voters this would be. RE fans would seem to be more likely to have a PS2, but I don't know), they will vote Leon.

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therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 8:43:43 PM | message detail
Are we seriously talking about Capcom SFF?
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trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 8:44:55 PM | message detail
"Capcom SFF" doesn't make mush sense to me, but I could see them splitting votes just because they're similar archetypes from popular new action games. Dante and Kratos would do the same thing, so it's not like the company has anything to do with it.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/21/2007 8:45:49 PM | message detail
Leon > Dante is actually a decent upset pick, although some could say that Leon would actually get a tad more casual support with the success of RE4 being so widespread.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/21/2007 8:47:43 PM | message detail
Also, Ryu H > Riku is not so bad of an upset either that I still have in my current bracket.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/21/2007 9:10:20 PM | message detail
Sonic - 39.33
Crono - 38.72
Vincent - 37.69
Mega Man - 37.03


lol wut?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/21/2007 9:14:19 PM | message detail
Sonic - 42.19
Mega Man - 41.89
Crono - 41.54
Vincent - 40.43


That's unadjusted and makes a hell of a lot more sense than the trannyjusted numbers. Mega Man below Sonic, but the 3 of them close enough that any match between them could go any way.

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Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/21/2007 9:28:39 PM | message detail
From trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 8:44:55 PM | #327
"Capcom SFF" doesn't make mush sense to me, but I could see them splitting votes just because they're similar archetypes from popular new action games. Dante and Kratos would do the same thing, so it's not like the company has anything to do with it.

Well, yeah, that's what I said <_<

But it still counts for a lot. I think it's easier to understand/believe than Mega Man/Nintendo SFF with Yoshi, at least >_>

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transience | Posted 8/21/2007 9:39:46 PM | message detail
I was just responding to mnm. it makes a lot more sense than that Soma/Snake crap people were tossing around last year.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 9:47:33 PM | message detail
Mega Man below Sonic, but the 3 of them close enough that any match between them could go any way.

isn't that how they are anyway.. ?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/21/2007 10:24:38 PM | message detail
Sora - 33.86
Yoshi - 33.09
Bowser - 32.96
Dante - 32.73


augh...so wrong
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 10:49:25 PM | message detail
I find those pretty damn accurate, actually.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/21/2007 10:51:49 PM | message detail
Come on...Sora > Yoshi and Yoshi > Bowser? Honestly, WTF is that? I mean, I might be able to understand Yoshi > Bowser this year (given YI2's spectacular popularity), but definitely not in 2k6.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 10:53:54 PM | message detail
well, demographics do change, so I guess we may as well accept Yoshi AT LEAST being equal to Bowser after his showing with Dante.

I can also see Sora around that are a lot more than where he was before because Sora = Auron is kinda crazy.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 10:59:56 PM | message detail
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/21/2007 11:06:58 PM | message detail
I think the only big flaw is how Dante is about equal to Squall

Um...no he's not.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 11:09:19 PM | message detail
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/21/2007 11:11:13 PM | message detail
Squall - 35.16
Tifa - 34.98
Zelda - 34.70
Sora - 33.86
Yoshi - 33.09
Bowser - 32.96
Dante - 32.73

*thinks*

*doesn't come up with an answer*

*cries with shame*

Unless you mean that using Squall 2k5 is problematic because he got a KH2 boost...but that would've been a small boost, given his relative impact in the two KHs.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 11:11:50 PM | message detail
AGHHHHHH...

I thought the stats had Squall at 33.XX%. Forget that, then. The stats are PERFECT. >_>

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Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 11:13:32 PM | message detail
And I was saying it was "problem" that Squall was at Dante's level in the stats, of course... which obviously made no sense.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 11:13:51 PM | message detail
can someone remind me what that Samus 45% stuff is based off of?
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transience | Posted 8/21/2007 11:14:01 PM | message detail
that was Leon's big problem with my numbers - not accounting for "SFF" or a stronger Squall.

but then, I ask: who would you use instead? those stats are majorly hacked, as the description below shows. there's not a lot of options.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2007 11:15:02 PM | message detail
Looking at the people that disagree with them, I heavily endorse transtats
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transience | Posted 8/21/2007 11:24:46 PM | message detail
actually, I have no idea what N's stats are based on. I'm kinda curious now.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/22/2007 12:28:04 AM | message detail
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37689209

The betting contest is revived (er, for the second time this contest!). I'd like feedback, and anyone is welcome to take my spot as the runner of the contest, provided they be dilligent with it.

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Haste_2 | Posted 8/22/2007 12:32:05 AM | message detail
Looking at Ngamer's x-stats again, it looks like to me he just set Solid Snake to exactly 43%, and everything rooted from there.

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