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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 452
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:57:14 PM | message detail |
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Alucard looked (distressingly) pathetic last year, so I'd go with Frog. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:58:58 PM | message detail |
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Also, Sub-Zero is in the lower half of the bracket, which frequently
looks too low when compared to the upper half (Bowser/Ryu, for
example). I'm still a proponent of Snake/Sonic weirdness. But honestly, if people are genuinely debating over Alucard/Tidus, why would Alucard/Frog be up for debate? I'd take Tidus to beat Frog without question. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:00:40 PM | message detail |
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I'd also go with Frog in Frog/Sub-Zero, but you could probably yell fanboyism at me. I do think it would be quite close. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 1:01:52 PM | message detail |
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What about Rikku/Sub-Zero or Rikku/Master Chief? She did better head-to-head against Samus than Frog did. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:03:14 PM | message detail |
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We'll, we've seen Tidus get whipped by Squall and soundly beaten by a
(quite overrated) Kirby. Not that Alucard's recent record is impressive
either...but why/when was this up for debate? --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 1:03:17 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Sub-Zero over Frog pretty easily. I'd struggle with Frog/Donkey Kong. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 1:04:20 PM | message detail |
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There's something about Frog that just doesn't seem quite up to snuff
with Sub-Zero, or the other people around that area. Admittedly, I
haven't checked out in stats in a long time due to last year's
disaster, but I'd be expecting Sub-Zero to take that one with 55%+. Not
a blowout, but not all that close either. --- Believe |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:06:18 PM | message detail |
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The female bracket had as much weirdness as the villains bracket. But
Rikku has looked (distressingly!) strong over the past two years...45%
on Ryu (even in an off year) is hard to ignore, and then she followed
that up with a good show on Samus. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 1:06:53 PM | message detail |
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Tidus/Alucard became a subject of debate on the Four-Pack of Fun board
a few months back, for some reason. I would personally side with Tidus,
especially after 2006. You can't hold Squall/Tidus against him,
honestly. That's like holding Cloud/Squall against Squall and saying
he'd lose to someone like Master Chief. Sure, he wouldn't destroy him,
but the final result wouldn't be in doubt either. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 1:07:44 PM | message detail |
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I'd put Rikku around 26/27%, but I still don't think she's a kind of character to overcome Master Chief. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| PepeCamello | Posted 8/21/2007 1:09:33 PM | message detail |
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I hate to abruptly end the MC-strength discussion, so I'll throw in my two cents and then ask y'all a question. I'm swayed more by the people that say MC thrives in this non-one-on-one environment so I have advancing out of the division and making the Elite Eight (but then losing to Snake and someone else - Ganondorf currently, but thinking of making it Sonic, don't know right now). Here's my question: The weak division six - what's going on there? The consensus seems to be Dante/Balthier/Leon/Vivi (with the occasional Tidus, too). Up until that, I have Matt placing behind Dante in round one (a sort of upset, I guess). Ada seems set in most peoples minds for placing behind Balthier. Tidus/Pikachu also seems set. However, the fourpack of Dante/Balthier/Leon/Vivi really messes me up. Most seem to say Dante > Leon, but then others say they're both Capcom so they both probably won't be able to advance, especially against two FF characters. Why is this point of advice being so frequently overlooked? I have Dante > Vivi I don't think I'll be confident with anything I put there. Oh well, I guess. Besides Division 6 and Yoshi v. Knuckles, most of my picks seems pretty set. However, now that I see I have Ganondorf in the Final Four, I'm beginning to rethink that one - especially if Ganondorf isn't even a consensus pick to win his division. Gah, I better stop writing or I'll find more picks that I'm undecided on. Ahh. --- Signature Status: Space Filler |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:09:39 PM | message detail |
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But, really now, 40% on 2k3 Aerith (who, I remind you, got 47% on
non-sprite Snake) and 40% on 2k6 Auron (who got 45% on Crono) seem
equal to me, as do Frog, Donkey Kong, and Sub-Zero. There's still two
oddities (Felix and Crono), but I don't put much stock into Halo 2. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:10:44 PM | message detail |
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I'm thinking Sub-Zero > MC > Rikku > Alucard > Frog.
Alucard probably boosted a touch from the XBL, enough to stay above
Frog who may have dropped a touch... who knows, though? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:13:03 PM | message detail |
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Err, sorry, wrong year. In 2k3, Aerith got 47% on Sonic. Doesn't change my argument, though. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 1:13:50 PM | message detail |
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well, seeing how Sub-Zero is an obvious step ahead of Alucard, you
can't debate both Frog/Alucard and Frog/Sub-Zero, and I feel that Frog
wouldn't perform what Sub did. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:16:13 PM | message detail |
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Aeris got 47% on 2K3 Sonic. I think that Sonic would've lost to, or
have had a 50/50 match with, 2K6 Auron. I think it's clear MC boosted
between 2K3 and 2K5... just look at their x-stats in roughly 60/40
losses... From 26.15% to nearly 31% on BL (and you could theoretically
adjust them down nearly proportionally). --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 1:17:21 PM | message detail |
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I'm agreeing with RPGuy on the whole Master Chief hardcore vote thing. The Halo game
is one thing. Master Chief is another. I'm not too sure that the Xbox
contingent automatically votes Chief over anyone. I mean, I'm sure most
Xbox fans didn't start gaming with an Xbox. I'm pretty sure
there's some overlap with other fanbases. I can't speak for Yuna since
she's a newer character, but I'm pretty sure older widespread
characters like Luigi and Ganondorf stretch out into that so called
"hardcore" fanbase of Master Chief (as far as characters go, not games). I'm still going against the grain and taking the 2 Nintendo characters. I definitely don't think that they are automatically relegated to only a certain portion of the vote just because there is a Square character and an Xbox character in the poll... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 1:19:58 PM | message detail |
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I mean, I'm sure most Xbox fans didn't start gaming with an Xbox Yeah, the same argument applies to Halo. Most XBox fans didn't start gaming with Halo either. I don't see the point. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:20:05 PM | message detail |
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Even if Ganondorf wasn't there, I'm not so sure I would even take Luigi
over Master Chief... I think Mario characters will end up not doing so
hot. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:22:00 PM | message detail |
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I think that Sonic would've lost to, or have had a 50/50 match with, 2K6 Auron. I don't think 2k6 Crono is such a big step ahead of 2k3 Sonic (though, admittedly, that was a pretty bad year for him). I suppose that depends on whether you think Crono and Mega Man fell to Sonic's level or Sonic rose to theirs... From 26.15% to nearly 31% on BL (and you could theoretically adjust them down nearly proportionally). And I did say I thought the match with Crono was an oddity...I certainly wouldn't expect DK to nab 38% on him in 2k5, and I don't think that's consistent with 2k6, either. MC's only expected to get 35% on Crono in 2k6, and Crono was probably weaker that year to boot. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 1:23:30 PM | message detail |
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...I don't think 2006 Crono is THAT close to 2003 Sonic. You'd have to
conclude that Sonic hasn't boosted that much from 2003 either since
he's barely ahead of Crono as it is. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:25:31 PM | message detail |
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You missed this part: (and you could theoretically adjust them down nearly proportionally). --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 1:25:37 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, the same argument applies to Halo. Most XBox fans didn't start gaming with Halo either. I don't see the point. Yeah, but Halo has been in polls with games in its current generation. It doesn't work the same way with characters. Even if Ganondorf wasn't there, I'm not so sure I would even take Luigi over Master Chief... I think Mario characters will end up not doing so hot. Can't say I agree with you there. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 1:28:01 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but Halo has been in polls with games in its current generation. It doesn't work the same way with characters. Yes, but involved in polls with games from series that these gamers are likely familiar with as well, right? --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:28:36 PM | message detail |
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Mario character should do even better this year --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:28:36 PM | message detail |
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...I don't think 2006 Crono is THAT close to 2003 Sonic. You'd have
to conclude that Sonic hasn't boosted that much from 2003 either since
he's barely ahead of Crono as it is. Well, when we're comparing across years it matters if Crono/Mega Man/Sonic are at 38% on BL now (ie, where Crono and Mega Man were back then), or something like 36% on BL (drops for Crono and Mega Man, larger boost for Sonic). That's pretty impossible to verify, but either way, MC's not looking at 30-31% on BL in 2k6 like 2k5 extrapolates out to. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/21/2007 1:34:33 PM | message detail |
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Differences between Halo 2 and Halo 3 as far as MC is concerned: --Halo 3 will be on a currently-Halo-less system. --Halo 3 will come out during the contest. --The 360 is better received than the Xbox. Differences between MC's contest situations between 2k5 and 2k7: --There are two winners to each match instead of one. --There are four contestants to each match instead of two. --MC doesn't have to face any Noble Niners for at least four rounds. Advantages MC has in this format: --Anti-votes are almost meaningless in this format. --There are only three Square characters he may go up against...Yuna (who has done poorly in FFX-polls) and maybe Zidane (weaker than MC) or Vivi/Balthier (who has to fight through Leon or Dante while fending off Balthier/Vivi to get that far). --There are only three Nintendo character he may go up against...Luigi and Ganondorf (both of which aren't so hot as favorites in their own series, plus will be sharing the poll against MC in the third round) and maybe Ness (who will already be having a tough fight with his first match). --As far as other characters from different companies...Vercetti and PaRappa are non-factors, Liquid and/or Alucard will have a hard time holding up as well as MC and/or Yuna if they escape the first round, and neither Leon nor Dante will be factors until the fourth round. --Again, MC will not have to face a Noble Niner for the first four rounds. Examples of hardcore support for Halo/MC: --Halo was a 1-seed in the 2004 Game Contest. --Halo was #9 on the Top 100 List. --Halo 2 was one of two write-in games that made the Top 100 List. --Halo 3 is the most anticipated game here outside of SSBB. --MC doubled Sub-Zero, beat Dante, and almost matched Crono in a poll geared towards Nintendo fans involving four Noble Niners. I'm not too worried about MC here. He'll have some close calls and it won't be easy for him, but I think he's going to pull through. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 1:37:13 PM | message detail |
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Love that MC will probably underperform again...happens every year --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/21/2007 1:38:48 PM | message detail |
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Oh, he might underperform again, but he's certainly got more going for
him now than ever before and probably more than any other character in
the bracket compared to the traditional format. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 1:44:59 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but involved in polls with games from series that these gamers are likely familiar with as well, right? Series =/= individual games. The Halo games have been in polls with games that have been released around the same time as it. Which means people are probably playing them around the same time and then deciding which ones they like better. We haven't seen Halo go up against more established games that people already have a strong opinion of. I mean, look what happened in the series contest. Voters sided with the more established Castlevania series. (Ugh, this is hard to put in words) Look at it this way. A current Halo fan may have been a huge fan of Ocarina of Time on the N64. So even if he's a big Halo fan, he may be an even bigger Ganondorf fan due to OoT, and would stick with Ganondorf since he is the more established character in the person's list. Now with games, the person is a huge Ocarina of Time fan, but again is also a big Halo fan. Now just because he is a bigger Ocarina of Time fan than Halo fan, it doesn't mean he will automatically vote The Wind Waker over Halo 2. Different games. Same with something like FF8 and FFXII. We haven't had a chance to see Halo go against something more established. Who knows if that "hardcore" fanbase would stick around if it went up against older popular games? The same can be said with characters. Sure we've seen Chief go up against Crono. But that's it, as far as the fanbase of Master Chief (not Halo) voting him over anybody. That's not enough for me to automatically give Chief a chunk of the vote. There's nothing wrong with thinking that he will, because between those Halo polls, there certainly is indication that it could happen. But it isn't guaranteed. Like I said, I'm not sold and I'm going against the grain. Again, I don't think I explained it in the best of ways... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 1:46:05 PM | message detail |
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Love that MC will probably underperform again...happens every year The only place where he could "underperform" is in the Division Final, where most people expect him to advance. But if he doesn't, it'd most likely be because Luigi and Ganon advanced -- which I don't view as terribly likely -- as opposed to some other combination. That'd be more an underestimation of the two Nintendo characters over the overestimation of Master Chief, I'd think. --- Believe |
| ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 1:49:57 PM | message detail |
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The Halo game is one thing. Master Chief is another. I'm not too
sure that the Xbox contingent automatically votes Chief over anyone. I wouldn't honestly expect there to be a whole lot of difference between the two. Games don't equal their characters in most instances, but I couldn't think of one that is more representative of his game than Master Chief. Hardcore Halo fans voting for Master Chief over pretty much every character? Really easy to see. All of Master Chief's votes aren't of the hardcore variety, but there's a good chunk of them that are, I think, and that's what's more important in this format. But I guess we'll see. --- Believe |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/21/2007 1:50:53 PM | message detail |
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MC's a definite threat, that should really be all that must be said. Does anybody have MC advancing past Solid or Sonic, by chance? --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 1:59:31 PM | message detail |
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HM does. (abandon ship!) --- scrumptious cats |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 2:02:21 PM | message detail |
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too late! nah I'm kiddin --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 2:04:25 PM | message detail |
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Heh. I've got it for my own entertainment more than anything, and in
the off chance that the Chief does something I get some kuhrazay pointz. You won't find me making a big argument for it! :) --- Believe |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/21/2007 2:05:04 PM | message detail |
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what? huge wild arguments are what you do! --- scrumptious cats |
| ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 2:07:28 PM | message detail |
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Told you I was done with that! But I've got something special planned for the Analysis Crew. aww yeah baby --- Believe |
| voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 2:14:52 PM | message detail |
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at the end of the day well all know MC will like usual kill off a large number of brackets. --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 3:16:09 PM | message detail |
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anyone think Ryu H. can squeeze past Riku in the third round? --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 3:19:25 PM | message detail |
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anyone think Ryu H. can squeeze past Riku in the third round? Nah, though I would only wish... Unless Ninja Gaiden Sigma did something for Ryu's popularity, I don't see him holding up with Solid Snake dominating that fourpack. There's a slight chance, depending on how Solid Snake performs, but Riku is definitely the safe choice. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 3:20:50 PM | message detail |
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the only thing that is absolutely holding me back from doing it is Sora/Snake, but otherwise I'm wary of Ryu. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 3:25:51 PM | message detail |
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I don't think Sora/Snake was traditional SFF as much as it was Snake
totally dominating that match pic. You couldn't be a fan of Metal Gear
Solid in any way and not vote for Snake in that pic, even if you were a Sora fan. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 3:29:21 PM | message detail |
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Sigma didnt sell to hot at all...so it wont affect anything --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 3:39:18 PM | message detail |
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What games have sold well on the PS3?
Sigma might not have the sales, but it definitely gave Ryu much needed
visibility to another fanbase, which is all it really takes to gain a
vote. Ninja Gaiden Sigma was always brought up for the PS3
whenever a next-gen debate popped up, basically because that PS3
fanbase didn't have that much to cling to. I'm pretty sure Ryu
benefited from it, although I don't think it would exactly show in this
contest format. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 3:40:26 PM | message detail |
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Well judging from the sales...not many PS3 owners clung to it even with advertising >_> --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/21/2007 4:11:14 PM | message detail |
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Ninja Gaiden Sigma's sales are over 500,000 actually. Not too bad, considering the PS3 install base. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/21/2007 4:14:45 PM | message detail |
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500,000 is actually pretty damn good. I didn't know it sold that much.
I mean, if people can tout Tales of Symphonia's "solid" Nintendo
fanbase with about as many sales, then surely you can say the same
thing with Ryu and the PS3... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 4:14:55 PM | message detail |
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Not sure where you heard that one, since July NPD numbers aren't out
yet and VG Chartz (the only other source I know of) has it pegged at
100k in America... --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Brawl.jpg |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 4:20:56 PM | message detail |
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XD where are you getting your figures from...is that official NPD numbers? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
