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Mithrandir1331 | Posted 8/20/2007 11:30:55 PM | message detail
From Haste_2 | Posted 8/21/2007 2:00:19 AM | #196
Speaking of Frog... how does Midna beating Frog in Round 2 sound?

I've had that since the bracket came out. I think the whole "being in a Zelda game" factor will be enough to get Midna into round 3.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/20/2007 11:33:25 PM | message detail
Yeah, personally I expected Seph to win that contest. After seeing what Mega Man did the first two rounds I started to think he might be able to beat him, but sadly it was not to be.

Heh, I was actually far more impressed with the way Sephiroth beat Crash Bandicoot at the time. It boggled my mind, considering I thought Crash was supposed to be around Sonic's level of popularity... XD

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/20/2007 11:36:20 PM | message detail
I think the whole "being in a Zelda game" factor will be enough to get Midna into round 3.

I don't think it's that much of a factor when it comes to someone like Frog.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/20/2007 11:36:43 PM | message detail
So, is Liquid Snake's performance against Frog considered an anomaly? Most people seem to think he's significantly weaker than Master Chief, and I'm not altogether positive why.

Halo 2.
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BDawg | Posted 8/21/2007 10:55:11 AM | message detail
If Master Chief managed to lose to Alucard or something it would be both hilarious and bracket imploding. I just wish there was someone in that division I really thought could stop him so I wouldn't have to take him so far.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/21/2007 11:18:47 AM | message detail
Anyone else have Yuna and MC coming out of Division 5?
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Majin Lou | Posted 8/21/2007 11:48:51 AM | message detail
I have Ganondorf and MC. >_>
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 11:51:52 AM | message detail
I used to, but then I switched Yuna with Ganondorf.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:13:12 PM | message detail
It's Ganondorf and Master Chief.
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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:15:10 PM | message detail
Actually it will be Luigi and Master Chief
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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:15:51 PM | message detail
why is everyone picking MC to advance so far.
given his unpredictable nature i'm not sure at what could happen.
to me he really doesn't sound all too impressive even with halo2.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:16:16 PM | message detail
But how about with Halo 3?
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:19:06 PM | message detail
Did Halo 2 help much?...not really so why would Halo 2 be different...and hype around 2 seemed much bigger compared to 3

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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:19:07 PM | message detail
Halo 2 allowed him to almost lose to D.K. and actually lose to Sub-Zero. What will Halo 3, a less hyped game, do for MC? I still have MC going far but he'd lose easily to Luigi, Yuna and Ganon on a 1 on 1 duel.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:20:51 PM | message detail
What will Halo 3, a less hyped game, do for MC? I still have MC going far but he'd lose easily to Luigi, Yuna and Ganon on a 1 on 1 duel.

Riiiiiight.

Also, this isn't a 1 on 1 duel, if you haven't noticed.
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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:21:58 PM | message detail
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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:22:24 PM | message detail
well once we saw the effects of halo2 he still lost matches he was expected to win or didn't win by massive margins.
i doubt halo3 can have a significant effect.
i reckon the people voting for him will be the same bunch that always vote for him but i'm not 100% certain it will be enough so i went Ganondorf>Luigi but i might stick yuna in there since she fared well in the female bracket.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:24:39 PM | message detail
Halo 3 is a less hyped game than Halo 2 you idiot

Burrrrrrrrn.

And it's not like the lessened amount of hype is much smaller. I can get a Master Chief soda, a Master Chief slurpee, and buy Halo at 7-11, among other things.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:26:50 PM | message detail
The difference between the hype for Halo 2 and they hype for Halo 3 is negligible when you consider the most important fact, which is that Halo 3 will be released midcontest.

As far as they hype being lower anyway, I wouldn't say that's true. Multimedia advertising is more pronounced, and, as I type this message, there's some Halo promotion going off at the bottom of my screen.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:29:06 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1799
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2839

Looks pretty similar to me. And with Halo 2, MC went all the way from barely losing to Frog to barely beating DK. Quite a jump, there.
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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:29:48 PM | message detail
but will this hype seriously affect the votes who are traditional square/nintendo voters?
does MC seriously appeal to the casuals and do casuals even know who MC is.
the number of people who think the main character's name was halo surprised me.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:30:24 PM | message detail
It's 4 man matches, that poll doesn't include everyone who will vote. It's clear Master Chief is not going to win the contest, but the cards for a long run are on the table.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:31:14 PM | message detail
the number of people who think the main character's name was halo surprised me.

I know 0 of these people. And even they will vote for MC if they love Halo that much, seeing as there's match pics and they'll say "OMG ITS HALO!"
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swirIdude | Posted 8/21/2007 12:32:48 PM | message detail
but will this hype seriously affect the votes who are traditional square/nintendo voters?

Not any die-hard voters who refuse to like anything else.

does MC seriously appeal to the casuals and do casuals even know who MC is

...Yes
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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:34:07 PM | message detail
so there's potentially 20-25 thousand anti-votes for MC?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:35:00 PM | message detail
Plus, the Sonic poll is ancient, and the most recent Mario poll is much more applicable.

Well, look at the two Mario character polls, taken years apart. The only thing that really changed is that Mario bounced way up to second place. Everything else stayed pretty close to the same, and Yoshi somehow increased. I don't think another Sonic character poll would change that much. At worst, Knuckles gets second now behind Sonic.

One must note that it's a Nintendo character against a set of characters who get most of their glory from Playstation...

Eh, I'm not really buying this PS SFF stuff. I personally question Ness's favorite status with fans who only know him from Smash Brothers. Sure, he'll get his Earthbound support, but what about those SSB fans? Do they care about Ness enough to vote for him over three other characters? I mean, we've seen characters who draw almost exclusively from the game do poorly here (Captain Falcon, Master Hand). Ness is a little better off because he does have a small Earthbound contingent to support him, but how much of a favorite is he really? It's not like Nintendo's fanbase doesn't overlap with Playstation's at all, folks. Most people here own or have owned a PSX or PS2.

Try adjusting Samus/Snake any way you want. It doesn't change Bowser or Ryu's standings relative to each other.

Indeed, it's that Snake/Sonic weirdness that messes things up. Ryu was on Mega Man's side and Bowser was on Sonic's side.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/21/2007 12:35:07 PM | message detail
Uh, Sub-Zero is far above Frog, so I don't see how anyone could say that Halo 2 did nothing for the Chief.
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ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 12:35:53 PM | message detail
Did Halo 2 help much?...not really so why would Halo 2 be different...and hype around 2 seemed much bigger compared to 3

There's really no reason to think you could take Halo 2's boost and estimate what Halo 3 would do for the Chief. Between Halo 3 being on an entirely new system, that system appealing much more to the GameFAQs audience than the Xbox ever did, and the game releasing days before his first match, any comparisons to Halo 2 shouldn't really be looked at as an indicator of what Halo 3 is or isn't capable of doing for the Chief. Just seems silly to me. It's an entirely different scenario.

Halo 3 is a less hyped game than Halo 2 you idiot. The fact that Halo 2 had like 500,000 more pre-orders proves this

Nah. The Halo hype machine hasn't even really begun yet. We're still in the "calm before the storm" phase. Need to wait until the beginning of September before you really see it pick up. As for the pre-orders, Halo 3 is already a good deal ahead of Halo 2 when you take the two at this point before release. That number was released with well more than a month left before the game is released; Halo 2's came out about three weeks before.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:36:03 PM | message detail
They don't think the Chief's name is Halo. A lot of people do call him "The Halo guy" though. Regardless, his image is unmistakable, so unless we have a contest without pictures, he'll do just fine.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:37:07 PM | message detail
There's a pretty good chance anyone on this site that happens to be a Halo fan is also a Zelda, Mario, and/or a Final Fantasy fan. The site isn't segmented neatly into Nintendo fans, Square fans, and Halo fans - and there's a lot more people who are fond of Square or Nintendo and not Halo than vice versa. MC's not going anywhere on the back of the small fanbase that'll vote him over anyone...he's going to have to convince a significant amount of voters that like him as well as the other characters. He hasn't been terribly successful at that over the years, to put it mildly.
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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:38:04 PM | message detail
that's sort of what i meant,just din't really explain correctly.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:40:30 PM | message detail
Yes, but this is a format that is catered to him. Look at how well Halo 3 did in those multiway polls with big name games such as FFXIII, MGS4, and Mario Galaxy (Whoa, Nintendo, Square, and Metal Gear! Three of the biggest names here!). Yeah, it didn't win overwhelmingly, but there was a significant amount of support there.
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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:43:25 PM | message detail
then again we have the whole MC=/=Halo debate.
one on one we all know he fails to do what's he supposed to achieve.
i'm only worried he'll fail once he reaches popular characters.
i forgot who was the most popular caracter he defeated?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:43:55 PM | message detail
Uh, Sub-Zero is far above Frog, so I don't see how anyone could say that Halo 2 did nothing for the Chief.

Really, now? Froggy got 30% on Samus last we saw him...Care to guess what Subby would get on Samus? Why, 30%! How amazing!
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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:44:59 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero was only decent before because Armageddon was released just days before his match with MC. Without that game, Subby would lose miserably to Master chef
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steve illumina | Posted 8/21/2007 12:46:40 PM | message detail
A sweet bracket this is...and a halfway decent challenge for yours truly to analyze and satirize. Should be rather enjoyable this year for the most part too upon my initial glance at it. I do plan to carry a Perfect for awhile, just like last year, and anger all the fanbabies and newbies in the process! Such good fun that was last year while it lasted too... *damn you RE!*

Still pissed Kitana and Rydia are not here... but what would a contest be without the fanbabies getting their way. L Block? Midgar Solom? Guybrush? Phoenix Wright? Who????

Just dusted off my custom engraved by King Morgoth himself Oracle crystal ball too, so now I am totally ready.

Now who is with me?! :)
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/21/2007 12:46:58 PM | message detail
Really? I don't believe that.
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ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 12:47:12 PM | message detail
but will this hype seriously affect the votes who are traditional square/nintendo voters?
does MC seriously appeal to the casuals and do casuals even know who MC is.


Hype doesn't effect the extremities of either side. The ones that like Nintendo and Square, but have interests that expand well beyond that -- and there's a good chunk of middleground there, believe it or not -- might be affected by the hype. You see Halo everywhere on TV, you see it advertised in the store, on the Internet; you have a bunch of friends that can't wait for the next Halo (maybe), and so on. It's easy for people who might not have been interested before to want to check it out. It won't affect the hardcore of either side, though, but that's true of the hardcore anything.

And yeah, Master Chief might just be one of the most recognizable gaming figures right now. Safe to say people see him and know who he is -- even if it's just "The guy from Halo."

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/21/2007 12:48:45 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero was only decent before because Armageddon was released just days before his match with MC. Without that game, Subby would lose miserably to Master chef

Because everyone cares about the recent MK games me rite?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:48:54 PM | message detail
Really, now? Froggy got 30% on Samus last we saw him...Care to guess what Subby would get on Samus? Why, 30%! How amazing!

Yes, because the 2006 stats (especially the comparisons between the male and female brackets!) are so reliable! Hey, guess what Yuna gets on Ganondorf now?! Come on!
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:49:07 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero was only decent before because Armageddon was released just days before his match with MC. Without that game, Subby would lose miserably to Master chef

I think you're seriously overrating the impact one game can make. Especially since Mortal Kombat isn't the most high profile of series' these days anyway.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:49:58 PM | message detail
Also, I laugh at the prospect of Rikku beating Master Chief or Sub-Zero.
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ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 12:50:04 PM | message detail
Yes, but this is a format that is catered to him. Look at how well Halo 3 did in those multiway polls with big name games such as FFXIII, MGS4, and Mario Galaxy (Whoa, Nintendo, Square, and Metal Gear! Three of the biggest names here!). Yeah, it didn't win overwhelmingly, but there was a significant amount of support there.

Yeah. That sums it up pretty nicely.

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voltch | Posted 8/21/2007 12:50:37 PM | message detail
so the hype really is that big?
i only see the ads on this site cos england somehow hates advertising games on terrestrial TV(except shows sposored by nintendo DS).
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hochiminh155 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:53:46 PM | message detail
Also, I laugh at the prospect of Rikku beating Master Chief or Sub-Zero.

Erm, she would. Auron thwomped Master Cheif, why couldn't Rikku?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/21/2007 12:54:03 PM | message detail
Yes, because the 2006 stats (especially the comparisons between the male and female brackets!) are so reliable! Hey, guess what Yuna gets on Ganondorf now?! Come on!

Yes, because the last two matches of female bracket are horribly screwed up. No questions there. But Subby's path isn't quite so bad. Certainly not enough to make him head and shoulders above Frog. 40% on Auron isn't bad, but it's not exactly mindblowing either.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 12:54:31 PM | message detail
well, seeing how well Sub-Zero did against KH2 Auron after like, at least one week of the MK release, I have to say it did little to Sub-Zero and he would have beat MC still.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/21/2007 12:55:00 PM | message detail
Alucard/Frog: Who wins?
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ZFS | Posted 8/21/2007 12:55:40 PM | message detail
In a Frog/Sub-Zero match, who are you going to take, out of curiosity?

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/21/2007 12:56:21 PM | message detail
hm, Rikku vs Master Chief... I'd take MC in that one really. just a gut feeling.
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