GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 451
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:34:39 PM | message detail |
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KH: Halo would've never come close to beating Wind Waker, and no, neither would have beaten MGS2. I have trouble believing this (that MGS2>Halo back then). A *lot* of trouble. Mac: Kid Icarus doesn't have strength. It's old, and it hasn't stood the test of time. Pit doesn't have much advantage over Animal Crossing characters, really. Well I think Tingle should be the favorite, but Pit could win. In fact I think if his name was listed as "Kid Icarus" he'd be the favorite, but as "Pit" I think Tingle will probably win. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:36:14 PM | message detail |
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I was *never* referring to site ownership - I was referring to the
ludicrous assertion that Soul Calibur was to the DC as freaking Halo
was to the Xbox. Ah. Not quite, I suppose, but close. As SSBM was to the GC might be a better comparison, I guess. And SC does have a small advantage in that the DC was more popular than the Xbox. Hmm...I'm a little confused as to the relevancy. Is this supposed to be that since Xenogears>Pokemon, Serge can beat Pikachu? How does Serge relate to Tactics? Yes, originally it was about how Chrono Cross is almost as strong as Xenogears, and thus Serge easily beats Pikachu. But the FFT part? Honestly? It doesn't really matter at all, since any fluctuation in Xenogears directly affects the strength of GSC. I was just thinking to myself "why is Serge here instead of Fei?", so I brought it up. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:39:00 PM | message detail |
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Well I think Tingle should be the favorite, but Pit could win. In
fact I think if his name was listed as "Kid Icarus" he'd be the
favorite, but as "Pit" I think Tingle will probably win. I'm just looking at all the games that made it into the 8-bit division (which KI failed to), and thinking to myself that Kid Icarus loses to almost all of them. Is Pit that important in his game that it would make up for his game's total weakness? --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/16/2007 11:39:22 PM | message detail |
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Is Mudkip and Bidoof going to be as strong as Nidoran F? Remember, Nidoran F is at least an old classic pokemon. Possibly. Never know how powerful 4chan is. --- Hi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 11:39:48 PM | message detail |
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Pit is depending entirely on SSBB hype to advance past that fourpack. Entirely. Kid Icarus is a complete nonfactor. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:40:12 PM | message detail |
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I have trouble believing this (that MGS2>Halo back then). A *lot* of trouble. Stats aside - why? What would possibly give you reason to think that GameFAQs, the virulently anti-Xbox site that it is (and was even moreso back then) would prefer Halo over MGS2? Master Chief nearly losing to Felix? People can't just get past the stats there. It was a given that SC would flop in the series contest (and it would flop if we saw it again), there's a reason why Halo keeps flopping, there's a reason why that whole division has done nothing but disappoint (other than KH, which got a new and *very* well received game). Correct me if I'm wrong, but using the qualification "back then" - doesn't that imply that MGS2 would beat Halo now? You'd probably take MGS2 > SC now as well, if you didn't there. Games are more liable to have staying power than characters. Like I said - there are coincidences, and then there's this. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Halcyon26 | Posted 8/16/2007 11:40:19 PM | message detail |
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Concerning Sonic>Snake, not only do I think it's reasonable to think
Snake might get some votes siphoned away by the other two (which alone
could be enough to put Sonic ahead), I'll bank on Sonic being announced
for Brawl by the time that match occurs. That'll be enough to but Sonic
on top. --- "You know, if you miss Jack Bauer, he'll come to your house and kill you." Shepard Smith, Fox News. Wii: 0778 4055 2505 7366 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:45:15 PM | message detail |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but using the qualification "back then" -
doesn't that imply that MGS2 would beat Halo now? You'd probably take
MGS2 > SC now as well, if you didn't there. I also here people saying that Raiden would do a lot better on Snake now than he would "back then", because MGS2/Raiden hate has died down. MGS2 seems like it would be stronger than it was back then, and SC certainly seems like it would be weaker - I can't imagine a fighting game series having huge staying power on GameFAQs. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:47:44 PM | message detail |
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Raiden hate going down is one thing - and a big part of it is because
he's a character - but I can't see either MGS2 or SC's strengths
changing much from what they were in 2k4 (not that the 2k4 stats are
useful, but that's due to a myriad of other factors). *checks again* why oh why are there SFF-adjusted stats for 2k4 --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:50:38 PM | message detail |
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Leonhart: Pit is depending entirely on SSBB hype to advance past that fourpack. Entirely. Kid Icarus is a complete nonfactor. This is probably true because he's listed as Pit. And since he'll probably get an SSBB pic he won't get the old-school votes. Tingle does seem to be the safest choice there. But Pit has some chance. KH: Correct me if I'm wrong, but using the qualification "back then" - doesn't that imply that MGS2 would beat Halo now? You'd probably take MGS2 > SC now as well, if you didn't there. Actually I'd take Halo over MGS2 now without hesitation. It's just that we were talking about back then, and there would be more uncertainty now. Back then I don't see much uncertainty that Halo would've beaten MGS2. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:52:56 PM | message detail |
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Actually I'd take Halo over MGS2 now without hesitation. It's just
that we were talking about back then, and there would be more
uncertainty now. Back then I don't see much uncertainty that Halo
would've beaten MGS2. And again I ask... why? --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:55:08 PM | message detail |
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Halo > GTAVC > MGS2 is the simplest explanation. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 11:55:58 PM | message detail |
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Trusting anything from Division 128 is just asking for trouble. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:57:16 PM | message detail |
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Yes, Mac, I'm well aware you're incapable of thinking for yourself.
Anyone want to provide a rationale beyond plugging in two numbers? --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 11:57:53 PM | message detail |
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This whole topic might as well be renamed "Game Contest 2004 Stats and Discussion" right now >_> --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:59:22 PM | message detail |
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I'm incapable of thinking for myself...so where does my Xenogears
support come from? Sometimes you have to look beyond what's obviously
true, because not all contest results are obvious. What's your explanation for Vice City doing better against SSBM than MGS2 did, if not that it's a stronger game? --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/17/2007 12:02:21 AM | message detail |
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...I'm not sure where I ever said that GTA: VC wasn't stronger than
MGS2 (at least as of 2004, though that match being "flukish" is hardly
out of the question)... more importantly, VC has NOTHING to do with
Halo's relation to MGS2. And concerning Xenogears - it's obvious that it was SFFed, there's no dispute there. You just take it WAY. TOO. FAR. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 12:06:31 AM | message detail |
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Bomberman's not as strong as he was then. And you're underestimating Phoenix Wright. Bomberman was about to blow Squall up in his last match, so that might've even inflated Bomberman's performances a bit. I'm not so sure Bomberman could even take on Gordon Freeman. Phoenix Wright probably got a bit stronger, too. The original game has dropped a lot in price and has sold lots more. Plus, there's PW:JFA now. Too bad the third one isn't released until October 23rd... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/17/2007 12:08:20 AM | message detail |
| Came in here wanted to discuss this year bracket but seeing that people are arguing that whether MGS2 or Halo is stronger, i think i will come back tomorrow. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/17/2007 12:08:32 AM | message detail |
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Comes out in Japan on August 23rd, fully emulatiable and with the English translation included. ...Not that that will do much, but it might win him a few hundred votes, which could matter here. The original game has dropped a lot in price and has sold lots more. Indeed. Comparable to God of War between 2k5 and 2k6, I think - on a much smaller scale, obviously, but then it's also easier to boost when you're that weak. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/17/2007 12:09:52 AM | message detail |
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Peach has been unveiled on the Smash site! Peach > CATS confirmed! There's a picture of Peach using Toad! Toad > Mewtwo CONFIRMED! --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/17/2007 12:27:11 AM | message detail |
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Peach was the Brawl update today. All other discussion is meaningless. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 12:58:34 AM | message detail |
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Peach is finally announced, but what about LUIGI? Why does the poor little brother have to keep on being gypped like that? I am suddenly worried about the Amatetaiehgfuial/Matt/Little Mac and Mudkip/Tingle/Pit again, thanks to the BOP and increased discussion. I took the joke characters without hesitation, heh. Could anyone provide a pic of what Matt might look like in the contest? (image searching didn't work so well...) One thing is for sure, and it's that I refuse to pick Tingle for second place... ugh. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, though. I just realized... if Tingle gets out of Round 1, he'll be facing Ganondorf... maybe it would be worth seeing him win, after all. =P Phoenix is favored over Bomberman in the BOP? Not that it means he has any better chance, given the PW fanboyism around... one thing I fear about PW's chances (aside from strength itself) is that the big drawer, Magus, isn't mainstream, meaning all that's left for mainstream voters is Crash and Bomberman. Hopefully mainstream/non-mainstream differentiation will end up being nearly a non-factor, though. Put your browser over the character's name on the far left on the bracket page for a brief description of the character. No idea what that means (Do you mean put the CURSOR over the character's name?), but I found that right clicking on the name and selecting "properties" works... =P --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/17/2007 1:00:37 AM | message detail |
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Yeah Nintendo, Quit screwing Luigi. I mean cmon, he had the perfect voice in MK64(well english anyways), and you took it away and made him into a wuss -_- --- Hi |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/17/2007 1:03:15 AM | message detail |
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Luigi was an unlockable character. No unlockables have been announced yet. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:04:05 AM | message detail |
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"I'm-a Luigi! Number one!" was the most stylish phrase in all of MK64. ;) --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:07:59 AM | message detail |
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Luigi was an unlockable character. No unlockables have been announced yet. Ah... so maybe THAT'S why Meta-Knight and Solid Snake haven't been announced on the site yet? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Pikawil100 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:10:32 AM | message detail |
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Luigi is so screwed because Youtube Poops have tainted his name into Mama Luigi. --- This space is for sale. |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/17/2007 1:12:47 AM | message detail |
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"I'm-a Luigi! Number one!" was the most stylish phrase in all of MK64. ;) That it was. I dont like what Nintendo did to Yoshi either. They shouldve kept the old noises. --- Hi |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:18:21 AM | message detail |
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I sincerely believe that Mudkip will advance in second place out of that four-pack. Mudkip's fanbase is the most independent of Luigi's (relatively), and he has 4chan backing him, so at least SOMEONE will be voting for him. I simply cannot imagine Tingle or Pit drawing ANY support alongside Luigi. Tingle is hated within his series. Pit is obscure outside of SSBB hype, and I would wager that he's the least of any of the new characters announced thus far. Supposedly anyone who plays the newer Pokemon games knows Mudkip and he's supposedly worthwhile to have. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/17/2007 1:24:24 AM | message detail |
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I picked Mudkip because I refuse to pick Tingle. I don't care what stats have to say, either ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/17/2007 1:27:08 AM | message detail |
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Although for the statheads out there, Nidoran F was 100% joke vote, was
likely SFFd by Samus and is still barely behind Tingle, who is probably
overrated because KH gets anti-voted a bit in all of its matches. It
isn't much, but means a lot in a four-way match. Unless Mudkip gets
SFFd, I think he can pass. If Tingle survives, I'll hate you all. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:27:09 AM | message detail |
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I always got the impression that Tingle would sue me (or worse) if I ever stole "Kooloo-LimpAH!" --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:29:19 AM | message detail |
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Unless Mudkip gets SFFd, I think he can pass. That's a big part of my reasoning. Mudkip is far less likely to be SFF'd than Pit in that poll, and the same probably goes for Tingle. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/17/2007 1:30:55 AM | message detail |
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I'm pretty confident that Pit will score last place, because he isn't going by the name Kid Icarus. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:32:21 AM | message detail |
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Since Luigi's most likely gonna easily exceed 60% of the vote (prolly
the second biggest blowout of the contest after Link), Mudkip does look
good with those joke votes. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:33:08 AM | message detail |
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Anyone who might be persuaded to vote for him based solely on SSBB hype
is already busy voting for Luigi, unless you want to get into a
sentient voting block deciding that Luigi was locked in and Pit needed
their support. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:34:01 AM | message detail |
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Since Luigi's most likely gonna easily exceed 60% of the vote
(prolly the second biggest blowout of the contest after Link), Mudkip
does look good with those joke votes. That's a very conservative estimate, IMO. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:37:33 AM | message detail |
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You're thinking 80% or something, then? Be my guest... more room for Mudkip to win. =P --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| transience | Posted 8/17/2007 1:41:49 AM | message detail |
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I doubt Luigi breaks 70% - he's just not that universally liked. but then, considering his competition... --- xyzzy 8-bit plastic love machine |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:42:52 AM | message detail |
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LOL, yeah, I was actually just thinking I'd set the over/under at 80%. I mean, look at that lineup. Anyone who bothers to vote will vote for Luigi, unless they're joke-voting Mudkip. Where would votes for Pit or Tingle even come from? Describe to me the kind of gamer who would vote for either of them against Luigi, and then ask yourself if there are even 4000 of these people combined. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:45:47 AM | message detail |
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Luigi's not universally liked? Hmmm...that's news to me. If it's true,
I think I might lower my over/under, but not my prediction. I really thought everyone who knows who he is (like 98% of visitors to this site, I'd say) has a favorable opinion of him. Sure, his hardcore fanbase isn't large, but that's not going to matter against these scrubs. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:46:31 AM | message detail |
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I half want to see Tingle advance just to see the smackdown the combined SFF force of Ganon and Luigi will cause. --- Currently Playing: Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner, Persona 3 |
| transience | Posted 8/17/2007 1:49:44 AM | message detail |
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well he's not hated or anything, but I'd bet quite a bit that he doesn't break 80%. --- xyzzy 8-bit plastic love machine |
| Starion | Posted 8/17/2007 1:51:04 AM | message detail |
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Pokemon and Legend of Zelda loyalists who would vote for characters in
the series no matter who they were facing. There has to be a not
insignificant number of them. Not sure just how much they are in terms
of % though (5%? 8%? each). That doesn't bode well for Pit in that case. --- 100% Frog Log Quest: Current Progress- 400 of 627 Completed: Jaster, Kisala, Deego |
| JaKyL25 | Posted 8/17/2007 1:52:17 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'm 50/50 on him breaking 80, but (and I'm completely being redundant here) there simply is no option for anyone who sees the poll and doesn't like Luigi enough to vote for him. Those people simply won't vote. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. Character Battle V Contest Winner! |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/17/2007 2:14:41 AM | message detail |
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You know... we're at a prime opportunity to revive the traditional
"Betting" contest (originally done by Ringworm, correct?). There are
enough tough matches to make it fun, difficult, and intense. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| voltch | Posted 8/17/2007 3:07:40 AM | message detail |
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how does one make a x-stat with the current format anyway? --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
| __Mega64__ | Posted 8/17/2007 3:41:23 AM | message detail |
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I'm pretty confident that Pit will score last place, because he isn't going by the name Kid Icarus. I think he'd do worse as Kid Icarus, actually. It's not like anyone gave a **** about Kid Icarus until Pit was announced for Brawl. If Nidoran F came close to breaking 20% on Samus, I don't see Luigi breaking 80% against a more popular joke Pokemon and two other competitors. I would love to see Luigi get every single vote and finish with a solid 100% in every single match he's in, but I don't think even 80% in Round 1 is gonna happen. Just as long as Tingle gets 0 votes, I'm happy. --- I'm an eel. |
| transience | Posted 8/17/2007 3:55:03 AM | message detail |
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I think he'd do worse as Kid Icarus, actually. It's not like anyone
gave a **** about Kid Icarus until Pit was announced for Brawl. this is a lie. though there may only be a couple dozen people like me out there. --- xyzzy 8-bit plastic love machine |
