GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 451
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:35:17 PM | message detail |
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Time for me to bring up something else that's bothering me now...
Snake/Squall/Sonic/Kirby. I instinctively just went with Snake >
Sonic, but the more I think of it, the more I want to take Sonic >
Snake. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 10:35:31 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm...Meta-Knight only getting 5%? That seems low for anyone, even with Sephiroth here. Well, ask yourself: where does Meta-Knight stand in the stats? IMO, he's around 12% on BL, who I think is about equal to Seph. Now, add in CATS and Peach taking away most of the other votes, and 5% looks pretty fair. We're going to see some low percentages in this contest. Fodder normally has an advantage in anti-votes, so it can never fall too low. Here, it's not getting those anti-votes anymore. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 10:35:50 PM | message detail |
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Here's my line of thinking. If you look at that post-Villains Contest
poll and give Ganondorf's percentage to Sephiroth (a bit of a stretch.
He wouldn't get ALL of it, of course, but bear with me), and he has 69%
or so in that poll. That leaves 31% for the other three to split. And for the record, do you think Peach/CATS/Meta-Knight is a weaker threesome than Kefka/CATS/Diablo? Peach ~= Diablo, CATS = CATS, but I give Kefka a sizable advantage over Meta-Knight. So I think Sephiroth breaking 70% isn't a stretch here. I know, it's a bit of overanalysis, but it's got me thinking all the same. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 10:36:45 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Snake > Squall before I'd take Sonic > Snake, honestly. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:39:28 PM | message detail |
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And for the record, do you think Peach/CATS/Meta-Knight is a weaker
threesome than Kefka/CATS/Diablo? Peach ~= Diablo, CATS = CATS, but I
give Kefka a sizable advantage over Meta-Knight. So I think Sephiroth
breaking 70% isn't a stretch here. Except the way I look at it, Meta-Knight may as well not be there. He'd be weak as ass in a normal contest, but with Peach there, I do think 5% is plenty reasonable for his expectations. Kirby games sell like ass. Meta-Knight is basically to Kirby what Ridley is to Samus, Samus >>>>>>>> Kirby, and we all know Ridley sucks. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:39:51 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Snake > Squall before I'd take Sonic > Snake, honestly. ...why? --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 10:40:56 PM | message detail |
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cyko: well, i just now discovered that Jade Curtiss is a dude, and not a hot chick. ...what?? *mind is blown* It would never have even crossed my mind "Jade" was a guy. ZFS: Halo 3 could, and should, be regarded as an entirely different animal. One, it's releasing in the middle of the contest; in fact, it's a few days after his first match. I don't recall one of these types of releases ever actually mattering in a noticeable way. There have been plenty of games released in-contest that people have hyped as having impact, but I don't recall it ever being conspicuous. Not saying Halo 3 definitely won't help the guy (in fact I think it will), but this type of thing hasn't panned out well in the past. I have Master Chief at #1 until he gets 2nd against Ganon, however Master Chief and Halo have one of the worst track records of all time in these contests. I mean, people respected MC so little even prior to his first appearance that Felix was a popular upset pick. Felix! And it almost happened! Chief should be a lot stronger since then, but Master Chief/Alucard - and to a lesser extent Chief/Yuna - just scream upset potential to me. I think Master Chief is flat-out stronger than Yuna and Alucard, and though I personally am skeptical, there might be something to this Master Chief loyal fanbase thing. But Master Chief is pretty much always on shaky ground. I wouldn't even be too surprised to see something totally strange, like Chief comfortably beating Yuna in round 1 and then for no real reason finishing behind her in round 2 or 3. Something like that would be totally his "style" - finding unexpected new ways to disappoint. Gyrating Grandma You have no ****ing idea how much I hate the bracket not being up on creative's website for 2K6! Heh, sorry about that, but don't expect it to be. The script I made to display a bracket can't be made to work with 4 people, and I don't think it's an important feature so I'm not going to bother with it. Unless someone wants to send me some HTML that I can just paste up. (PS I got a real weird censor bypass warning posting your name...took me a minute to figure out what was going on!) therealmnm I actually think Xenogears was just as popular as Final Fantasy Tactics during those PS1 days. It's just never going to show in a contest setting since it doesn't have "Final Fantasy" in its name. This is correct. I don't know how well it's aged, but Xenogears was at least as popular as Tactics back then. Why are people talking about this though? I didn't follow that. Of course, I don't think that Fei or Serge amount to much in a contest setting. I played Chrono Cross, I loved Chrono Cross, but I still have to think a fraction of a second before the name Serge jogs a bell. If it was Serge Cross he could be a force...but he won't amount to much of anything. Serge will be weak. The only argument to be made for him is that the 4-way setup will help him leverage his smaller fanbase better, diluting the importance of name recognition. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/16/2007 10:41:18 PM | message detail |
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As a loyal Ganondorf supporter, the thought of every one of his voters
switching to Seph in his absence, even in a hypothetical situation,
makes me ill. I demand a better scenario! --- Moltar Status: Bored and slightly sarcastic. The Analysis Crew...believe |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 10:41:24 PM | message detail |
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Um...no it's not. SC1 >>> SC3. Yes, it is the better game, thanks for pointing that out. Would it beat SCII in a match (better known as the multiplatform, OMG LINK IS IN THE GAME KTHX game)? Hell no. SCIII is highly doubtful as well, despite the fact it was PS3 only - because Soul Calibur was Dreamcast-only. Good God man, think about what you're saying. Why on EARTH would you have taken a DC-only fighting game to beat Metal Gear Solid 2? Its match against KH has *always* been a testament to that game's vulnerability - there's a reason why Snake murdered Sora. Almost as strong as FFT. And no matter how you twist the stats, the end result is a delusion that only the most hardcore XG fans would even consider (and note... of the three people in this topic to whom XG is in their top three games right now, none are buying it). Sonic got 70% on Devil May Cry. I'm still taking DMC1 over most Sonic games. Sonic's games VASTLY outnumber MGS's. This is a poor argument at best. The original Soul Calibur probably has the least overlap with MGS2 as well, which helps deal with the SFF factor. But not with the "ONLY FOR DREAMCAST" factor. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| transience | Posted 8/16/2007 10:41:44 PM | message detail |
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I have Sonic > Snake, actually. --- xyzzy 8-bit plastic love machine |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2007 10:42:02 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I don't think CATS automatically gets 12%. I doubt he will be a
bracket favorite, and there's bound to be some rallying for Peach
(Meta-Knight?) as far as brackets for second place go. Plus, we're
talking tens of thousands of more votes now compared to that
post-villains contest poll. It will probably end up being close though.
I'm thinking he gets 9-10%. Every percent counts though in this
situation. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 10:42:07 PM | message detail |
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.... if you're not sold on the Halo series already, is the third
entry really going to be the one to sway you in? For whatever reason,
and mostly instinct, which is admittedly weak, I can't see Halo 3
reaching the full 50% ownership currently available, despite what the
polls say. It's certainly not going to slow MC down, but, it's not as
if it's a cakewalk, either. Well, there was no extra clause there that said "I'll buy it the day it comes out." It simply said that they plan to purchase it at some point, which you would figure is sometime within the foreseeable future. I wouldn't necessarily be suspect of the people that voted that option to never buy it, but perhaps not doing so on day one. That'd be perfectly fine; the contest goes on for quite a while. The percentage of Halo 3 ownership probably isn't going to be perfectly in line with the Xbox 360 ownership, even though based on some numbers in a few polls that's about what you come to roughly (~%50 for each), but a good portion of the site does seem to indicate that they'll end up owning the game. I don't think it'll simply be the usual chunk of folks at least. I'd wager more people are going to want to try it out on the 360. It's third entry, but at the same time it's on an entirely new system, one with owners who never purhcased an Xbox. But yeah, I wouldn't treat the poll as law, but at the same time, I wouldn't completely disregard it. At the least, it's a rough indication of what people are "thinking" in relation to Halo 3 on the site. I'm sure we'll have some bonus poll run alongside the contest to get a better indication of who bought the game shortly after its released. Not that it's a terribly big deal, though, because like you said, I wouldn't expect it to hinder the Chief. --- Believe |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 10:42:19 PM | message detail |
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...why? For the same reason you still think Samus can handle Sephiroth. I'm crazy like that. Seriously though, Squall and Sonic weren't THAT far apart last year, and this isn't a situation where direct strength automatically guarantees that you advance. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 10:46:02 PM | message detail |
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People rallying for Peach? BUT NOBODY CARES ENOUGH ABOUT HER! ...Seriously though, I don't know if the accelerated vote totals necessarily make CATS do any worse. He still got his 12-14% on Cloud in a match with a high vote total. Sure, this match has two other people to contend with, but I don't really expect him to lose as much with this format as others will. ...He also doesn't have much to lose in the first place, but nevertheless, my point stands! --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2007 10:47:25 PM | message detail |
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People rallying for Peach? BUT NOBODY CARES ENOUGH ABOUT HER! But they care about brackets... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 10:47:53 PM | message detail |
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Time for me to bring up something else that's bothering me now...
Snake/Squall/Sonic/Kirby. I instinctively just went with Snake >
Sonic, but the more I think of it, the more I want to take Sonic >
Snake. I don't think that will happen, however if you're actually creating a bracket to win rather than for fun, it probably wouldn't be a bad upset pick. The way I see it, because of this new format making things very different than what people are used they, people are going to make Snake an over-favorite in this match. So from a strategy/game theory type perspective, it's probably a real good pick. I tend to just pick what I think will happen though, mixed with personal favoritism. I think if you're going to root for Sonic in that match, it is easy to justify picking him - a sort of magic game theory based excuse to pick whoever you like better :) Meta-Knight is basically to Kirby what Ridley is to Samus I don't know about this. I'm not familiar with the Kirby fanbase at all, but Meta-Knight is very obviously a Kirby character just by looking at him (plus he looks awesome!). I don't think he compares well to Ridley. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:48:32 PM | message detail |
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Well if you think Squall > Sonic, then go right ahead, I just didn't
think you thought that, and thought the intangibles favor Squall in
that situation. For me, SSBB still won't have been released, so I'm
sure Kirby can take some
of Snake's SSBB support, how much I really don't know, I'm not
expecting it to be much, and it doesn't need to be, throw that in with
the weirdness we've seen with MGS and FF before, and I can see both
Squall and Kirby draining Snake just enough for Sonic to get past
Snake. In fact, I think I'll go change my bracket. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2007 10:50:18 PM | message detail |
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Solid Snake is definitely more of a
favorite character than Sonic on this site. Sonic would have done well
in the Battle Royal as well (probably would have beaten Mario), but I
don't see him being able to hang with Sephiroth in that case. I don't
see Sonic being able to beat Snake in this contest setting... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 10:51:04 PM | message detail |
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Yes, it is the better game, thanks for pointing that out. Would it
beat SCII in a match (better known as the multiplatform, OMG LINK IS IN
THE GAME KTHX game)? Hell no. SCIII is highly doubtful as well, despite
the fact it was PS3 only - because Soul Calibur was Dreamcast-only. Good God man, think about what you're saying. Why on EARTH would you have taken a DC-only fighting game to beat Metal Gear Solid 2? Its match against KH has *always* been a testament to that game's vulnerability - there's a reason why Snake murdered Sora. Um, at the time, the Dreamcast was about as popular as the Xbox here, and Soul Calibur was pretty much to the Dreamcast as Halo was to the Xbox. SC would crush SC3. If you disagree, you really don't know much about Soul Calibur. And no matter how you twist the stats, the end result is a delusion that only the most hardcore XG fans would even consider (and note... of the three people in this topic to whom XG is in their top three games right now, none are buying it). Uh, two people here already said that XG was as popular as FFT back then, so I don't know what you're talking about. I don't actually like XG very much. Sonic's games VASTLY outnumber MGS's. This is a poor argument at best. Fine. DMC1 beats all but Sonic's top 3, and SC1 comes close to beating all but MGS's top two. In 2k4, anyway. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:51:40 PM | message detail |
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I'm not saying that Sonic > Snake in any
BR. Hell the very next round I bounce right back to Snake > Sonic.
Just with Kirby and Squall there, I think it could be just enough for
Sonic to get past Snake. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 10:52:12 PM | message detail |
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I don't recall one of these types of releases ever actually
mattering in a noticeable way. There have been plenty of games released
in-contest that people have hyped as having impact, but I don't recall
it ever being conspicuous. Not saying Halo 3 definitely won't help the
guy (in fact I think it will), but this type of thing hasn't panned out
well in the past. I'm having a hard time thinking of a game releasing that was as big as Halo in the middle of the contest. Sure, we see games like Mortal Kombat, or Street Fighter, or something else releasing all the time, but they don't carry the same power as a Halo or Mario or Zelda or whatever. The only time I really recall a big release happening during the contest was Super Mario Sunshine back in '02. Everything else has been mild in the grand scheme, which is why a lot of those releases never really matter. I might be forgetting something, though. I have Master Chief at #1 until he gets 2nd against Ganon, however Master Chief and Halo have one of the worst track records of all time in these contests. I mean, people respected MC so little even prior to his first appearance that Felix was a popular upset pick. Felix! And it almost happened! Chief should be a lot stronger since then, but Master Chief/Alucard - and to a lesser extent Chief/Yuna - just scream upset potential to me. Well, times have certainly changed since that match against Felix. He still carries a strong anti-vote base -- primarily due to what he represents -- but I'm still certain that his previous contest matches aren't as big a deal as they might seem. Some of them look pretty bad (looking at the MC/CATS), but he always manages to end up looking pretty good. He's consistenly inconsistent in normal contest matches, though, no doubt about that. I suppose it's just how much you're willing to believe in the Chief's core fanbase, and if you're willing to think that the anti-votes he frequently receives will be lessened in this type of format. --- Believe |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 8/16/2007 10:53:19 PM | message detail |
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creative, he's not talking about this new bracket not being up, he means last year's bracket, aka CB5. Though I wish people would stop being upset about that, because I went to alot of trouble to get it in place on lolx for them. http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/ranks.php?bracket=2006c PS - Don't call him "ZFS"; that's Heroic Mario! --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2007 10:53:36 PM | message detail |
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and I can see both Squall and Kirby draining Snake just enough for
Sonic to get past Snake. In fact, I think I'll go change my bracket. Snake had Cloud and Link to drain him and he still beat Sephiroth. Do you think Sonic would be as strong as Sephiroth in that situation (Sephiroth sharing with Cloud that is...)? --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 10:55:24 PM | message detail |
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Snake had Cloud and Link to drain him and he still beat Sephiroth.
Do you think Sonic would be as strong as Sephiroth in that situation
(Sephiroth sharing with Cloud that is...)? Sephiroth and Sephiroth sharing with Cloud are two very different beasts. >_< --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:55:50 PM | message detail |
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creative, he's not talking about this new bracket not being up, he means last year's bracket, aka CB5. Though I wish people would stop being upset about that, because I went to alot of trouble to get it in place on lolx for them. http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/ranks.php?bracket=2006c gah! I knew you had done that (as I've complained about it before, and you've posted the same thing! I tried googling it, but couldn't get the name close enough. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 10:57:38 PM | message detail |
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Snake had Cloud and Link to drain him and he still beat Sephiroth. Do you think Sonic would be as strong as Sephiroth in that situation (Sephiroth sharing with Cloud that is...)? uhm... lol. Cloud most definitely had a greater effect on Seph than they did on Snake, were you serious about this? --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/16/2007 10:58:08 PM | message detail |
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Is it possible that Master Chief's "advantage" is actually his ultimate weakness? Let's think about this. No more anti-votes. Voters have to pick a certain character -- their favorite, rather than just an opponent But, then considering why people vote for Master Chief in the first place, this logic doesn't hold. People anti-vote him because of his reputation and mainstream appeal as part of Halo, but this is also why they vote for him. I hardly consider voters "devoted" to Master Chief -- his value as a character is... minimal. People voting MC over other characters no matter what... I refuse to believe that that number of voters is greater than that of cult RPG characters, or most of the competitors, really. When there are three choices other than Master Chief, there are three people who could appeal more to the voter than the "Oh cool, Halo" option. I believe his match with Subs ("Oh cool, fighters") was fairly disappointing (for MC). The greater and more mainstream the fanbase for the opponent(s), the worse MC will do. With (Ness or Liquid)/Alucard/Yuna, several gamers will be drawn elsewhere. Basically, it boils down to this: will "hardcore" votes be divided and allow Master Chief the same number of casual votes, or is there enough diversity covered by three characters to draw out all the "casual" voters? I have no idea which way it will turn out to be <_< I'm guessing Halo 3 coming out may make a case for MC to have some more oomph (...I hate saying that word). ___ *watches* o_o |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:01:13 PM | message detail |
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creative, he's not talking about this new bracket not being up, he means last year's bracket, aka CB5. Ah, I see. Though I wish people would stop being upset about that, because I went to alot of trouble to get it in place on lolx for them. http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/ranks.php?bracket=2006c Ooh - very nice! I've added a direct link to that. Thanks partner :) PS - Don't call him "ZFS"; that's Heroic Mario! This board seriously needs an alt FAQ or something. Nice to see good ole HM still around :) --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:03:02 PM | message detail |
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Um, at the time, the Dreamcast was about as popular as the Xbox
here, and Soul Calibur was pretty much to the Dreamcast as Halo was to
the Xbox. 1. No, it wasn't. Ever. 2. Halo would've lost to MGS2 as well. SC would crush SC3. If you disagree, you really don't know much about Soul Calibur. You're not one to talk about knowledge of fanbases, nor any individual's familiarity (and I certainly like how you dropped the SC2 line of arguing). Point is, SC's popularity could have entirely come from nothing but SC1 and SC2, and y'know what? - either would've still lost to any MGS game easily. Uh, two people here already said that XG was as popular as FFT back then, so I don't know what you're talking about. When those "two" are as far as I can see, you and an unsupported statement from cn (who I respect, but the guy has as many nutty picks as any), I find myself very unswayed. Besides, I have yet to see anyone else go the distance and just flat out tell me, "Xenogears goes 50/50 with MGS." Wanna know why? 'Cause it's just WRONG. I don't actually like XG very much. So you've got bad taste as well! Fine. DMC1 beats all but Sonic's top 3, and SC1 comes close to beating all but MGS's top two. In 2k4, anyway. Sonic with only its top three games is a FAR weaker series. Not so with MGS's top three. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 11:05:16 PM | message detail |
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Sonic > Snake is ****ing ludicrous this year. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:06:02 PM | message detail |
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http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB6%20BOP.xls Surprises so far: Pit >> Mudkip >> Tingle. SSBB at work? I thought Tingle would get a little more respect against this competition given his relatively impressive performance last year. Alucard >>> Ness > Liquid. Thought more would have Ness in first here. Amaterasu >> Matt >> Little Mac. Ammy support is a little more widespread than I thought, considering how little of it I've seen. Pikachu >>> Serge. Didn't expect that much respect for Pikachu, really. Ike ~= Duke. Given Pit's massive amount of support, I thought we'd see Ike dominating a little more here. Still, not bad for the most part. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:10:41 PM | message detail |
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When those "two" are as far as I can see, you and an unsupported
statement from cn (who I respect, but the guy has as many nutty picks
as any), I find myself very unswayed. Hey now! :) (...though I actually don't think I have that many nutty picks, cough cough...) Really though, I am very confident in saying Xenogears' popularity back in the day was at least as much as Final Fantasy: Tactics. Tactics' fanbase really grew over time. Now Xenogears might never have actually been able to beat Tactics because of the Final Fantasy name, but back then it was at least as popular. I don't hear about it much anymore though so I don't think it's aged that great. Why are we discussing this though? What match is this about? Besides, I have yet to see anyone else go the distance and just flat out tell me, "Xenogears goes 50/50 with MGS." Wanna know why? 'Cause it's just WRONG. Well yes, obviously :) That was largely due to the Final Fantasy name though...but even in 2004, at this site, Tactics probably was starting to get ahead of Xenogears. Is that what we're talking about as back in the day? Because I was talking about the late PS1 days, somewhat earlier than 2004. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 11:11:32 PM | message detail |
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Sonic > Snake is ****ing ludicrous this year. Yes, losing 55-45 to him last year, just as everyone was creaming their pants over his announcement in SSBB, and put everyone on his bandwagon, is completely insane, when there are two people who are capable of drawing votes away from him there. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2007 11:13:04 PM | message detail |
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uhm... lol. Cloud most definitely had a greater effect on Seph than they did on Snake, were you serious about this? Huh? You must have misunderstood what I said. You mentioned Snake possibly being drained by Squall and Kirby and allowing Sonic to sneak through. Well Snake was in a poll with Cloud and Link who are >> Squall and Kirby, and he still beat Sephiroth, who still wasn't a slouch in the presence of Cloud. My question to you was if you think that Sonic would have been stronger than a nerfed Sephiroth if you stick him in that poll with Snake, Link, and Cloud? --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 11:13:26 PM | message detail |
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Let's think about this. No more anti-votes. Voters have to pick a
certain character -- their favorite, rather than just an opponent But,
then considering why people vote for Master Chief in the first place,
this logic doesn't hold. People anti-vote him because of his reputation
and mainstream appeal as part of Halo, but this is also why they vote
for him. I hardly consider voters "devoted" to Master Chief -- his
value as a character is... minimal. People voting MC over other
characters no matter what... I refuse to believe that that number of
voters is greater than that of cult RPG characters, or most of the
competitors, really. I don't see why it's that hard to believe. You explained the situation well. Master Chief's character isn't why people vote for him. Master Chief's vote are the "I love Halo" votes -- the ones that don't readily jump out to support other games/characters. That's why he gets votes. It's really not hard to see Halo having far more hardcore fans than any cult RPG simply due to how popular and beloved the Halo series is. It's a point that you can't entirely treat Master Chief and Halo as equals, but it's not hard to see the similarities they share, or why the hardcore Halo fans would also be huge on Master Chief in a character contest like this. A lot of these characters don't have any draw insofar as their "character" being compelling. There's certain intangibles they have beyond that, and the Chief isn't lacking in them. Halo will always get a certain amount of guaranteed votes irrespective of the competition. You can put Halo, Final Final Fantasy, Mario, Metroid, and GTA in the same poll, hold it twice within a span of months, and Halo will put near indentical numbers each time, while the others would fluctuate. That indicates to me there's an unwavering base there, one that isn't going to jump ship at the sight of Yuna or Luigi or whomever. People seem to split on how much they're willing to trust that base there, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that they go the other way when you bring more popular characters into the picture. --- Believe |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 11:13:56 PM | message detail |
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Huh? You must have misunderstood what I said. You mentioned Snake
possibly being drained by Squall and Kirby and allowing Sonic to sneak
through. Well Snake was in a poll with Cloud and Link who are >>
Squall and Kirby, and he still beat Sephiroth, who still wasn't a
slouch in the presence of Cloud. My question to you was if you think
that Sonic would have been stronger than a nerfed Sephiroth if you
stick him in that poll with Snake, Link, and Cloud? Yeah, probably. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 11:15:21 PM | message detail |
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Amaterasu >> Matt >> Little Mac. Ammy support is a
little more widespread than I thought, considering how little of it
I've seen. Whoa. Amaterasu is actually ahead of Matt and Mac? Didn't expect to see that. --- Believe |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:15:52 PM | message detail |
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In fact, regarding this "nutty as any" accusation, I remembered that my
Oracle record is above average - which means I should have less nutty
picks than "any"! Thus I hereby denounce this as unfounded libel ;) BTW who are Ike, Pit and Mudkip? Is there a profiles page this year? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/16/2007 11:16:43 PM | message detail |
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just hover your mouse over the contestants name on the left --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:16:46 PM | message detail |
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1. No, it wasn't. Ever. Best Dreamcast ownership: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=717 It had dropped off some by 2k4. Near the end of 2k5: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2191 Best Xbox ownership: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1866 At time of contest: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1675 So it seems I misjudged. At the time of the Games contest, the Dreamcast was more popular on GameFAQs than the Xbox. Please, do a little research before you state things like that. I don't think that the Xbox had even matched the Dreamcast in sales yet by the time the games contest came around. 2. Halo would've lost to MGS2 as well. What? Why? You're not seriously trying to say that StarCraft cheated...20000 votes? Besides, I have yet to see anyone else go the distance and just flat out tell me, "Xenogears goes 50/50 with MGS." Wanna know why? 'Cause it's just WRONG. Heh, it is indeed tough to say. FFT going 50/50 with MGS is still kind of hard to believe. Which is why I've been doing the comparison with FFT instead. Sonic with only its top three games is a FAR weaker series. Not so with MGS's top three. Top two, I said. I doubt Sonic loses as much as you think with just Sonic 2/Sonic 3/SA2. Why are we discussing this though? What match is this about? Serge vs. Pikachu. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2007 11:17:28 PM | message detail |
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Put your browser over the character's name on the far left on the bracket page for a brief description of the character. --- "I'm no hero...Never was. I'm just an old killer...hired to do some wet work." |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 11:17:41 PM | message detail |
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Ike's from Fire Emblem. He got announced for Brawl recently, though. Pit's from Kid Icarus. He's in Brawl, too -- there's a pattern here! Mudkip's a random Pokemon. And hovering your mouse over the name will get you a brief description of the character. --- Believe |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:24:19 PM | message detail |
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Portugal: Yes, losing 55-45 to him last year, just as everyone was creaming their pants over his announcement in SSBB, and put everyone on his bandwagon, is completely insane, when there are two people who are capable of drawing votes away from him there. I agree. A 5% gap shouldn't be too hard to overcome, even by a completely unexplained, Bermuda Triangle-esque anomaly. I think format-based variability from past matches could well cover those kinds of strength differences. Not they should be expected to, but that it shouldn't be much of a surprise if they happen. Also, where formerly a 5% swing was needed to win, now (theoretically) just a 2.5% swing would be needed. just hover your mouse over the contestants name on the left Thanks :) HM: Ike's from Fire Emblem. He got announced for Brawl recently, though. Pit's from Kid Icarus. He's in Brawl, too -- there's a pattern here! Mudkip's a random Pokemon. Kid Icarus!? Holy crap. He might actually have some strength - enough to outdo Tingle anyway. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:27:36 PM | message detail |
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So it seems I misjudged. At the time of the Games contest, the
Dreamcast was more popular on GameFAQs than the Xbox. Please, do a
little research before you state things like that. I don't think that
the Xbox had even matched the Dreamcast in sales yet by the time the
games contest came around. I was *never* referring to site ownership - I was referring to the ludicrous assertion that Soul Calibur was to the DC as freaking Halo was to the Xbox. What? Why? You're not seriously trying to say that StarCraft cheated...20000 votes? If it didn't "cheat" them, it certainly had a "variable strength" going on. Halo would've never come close to beating Wind Waker, and no, neither would have beaten MGS2. Heh, it is indeed tough to say. FFT going 50/50 with MGS is still kind of hard to believe. Which is why I've been doing the comparison with FFT instead. It's not, really - I viewed FFT as a *very* dangerous threat from the beginning, if only because of the FF pedigree. Xenogears never had that, and it wasn't on MGS or FFT's level in 2004. The FF label is part of FFT's intrinsic strength when not put up against anything else FF (in which case it doesn't matter, SFF). If you're talking about in the 90s or something, then fine - I'd find a mid-90s contest harder to predict than this one - but XG has never had the stuff to hang that high. Neither has Pokemon. Their apparent weaknesses have been more than just "coincidences". Top two, I said. I doubt Sonic loses as much as you think with just Sonic 2/Sonic 3/SA2. Firstly - it makes no sense to equate two games with three, on any level. Secondly - Sonic WOULD lose that much, at least to go so far as saying it wouldn't touch 70%. MGS's games are MUCH more to it, and even the worst of its games can beat the best of SC's. And SC1 isn't even the most popular. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/16/2007 11:29:03 PM | message detail |
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Kid Icarus doesn't have strength. It's old, and it hasn't stood the
test of time. Pit doesn't have much advantage over Animal Crossing
characters, really. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 11:29:06 PM | message detail |
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So it seems I misjudged. At the time of the Games contest, the
Dreamcast was more popular on GameFAQs than the Xbox. Please, do a
little research before you state things like that. I don't think that
the Xbox had even matched the Dreamcast in sales yet by the time the
games contest came around. Good catch, I didn't realize that. 2. Halo would've lost to MGS2 as well. What? Why? You're not seriously trying to say that StarCraft cheated...20000 votes? I agree...I really don't think MGS2 would've beaten Halo back then. Serge vs. Pikachu. Hmm...I'm a little confused as to the relevancy. Is this supposed to be that since Xenogears>Pokemon, Serge can beat Pikachu? How does Serge relate to Tactics? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 8/16/2007 11:30:42 PM | message detail |
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Sorry KH, but Mac is correct; you're vastly underestimating the
DreamCast's presence on this site. In January of 2001 56.24% of this
site owned a DC- no Microsoft console has ever gotten a sniff of the
45% mark, let alone 50. (Though as HM is pointing out, the 360 will
probably finally approach 50 post-H3). Even going by more recent numbers, a March '06 poll confirmed that 40.54% of GameFAQs owned a DC at some point- the Xbox was still only to the same 40% mark by that time. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/16/2007 11:31:22 PM | message detail |
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Mudkip's a random Pokemon. He's the 3rd Gen Starter, and probably the best starter out of all of them overall. --- Hi |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2007 11:32:08 PM | message detail |
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Just maybe I wasn't clear enough when I was responding to that statement. >_< --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| hochiminh155 | Posted 8/16/2007 11:32:38 PM | message detail |
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Is Mudkip and Bidoof going to be as strong as Nidoran F? Remember, Nidoran F is at least an old classic pokemon. --- Fc: 4768 3939 5325 |
