GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 451
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/16/2007 1:43:26 PM | message detail |
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Might as well make this while I'm in the middle of making a bunch of topics. *Creativename's websites* Everything you could ever imagine: http://www.GameFAQsContests.com http://www.sc2k5.com http://www.sc2k4.com Sortable Table for Every Contest Match: http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19 *Extrapolated Standings* Explanation of Extrapolated Standings: http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11 Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings: A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA Extrapolated Standings for All Contests (links to all brackets are on the left): http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/ *Solarshadow's Sites* Summer 2002 Contest: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com Summer 2003 Contest: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating) http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html *Old Stats topics* Summer 2002 Contest: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html Summer 2003 Contest: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note) 2003-2004 Off-Season: http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note) Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL. Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them): http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them): http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm *Match Pictures* All the match pics, and thanks to RockMFR for finding the missing ones! http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php *Miscellaneous* Creativename's Page of Links: http://sc2k4.com/links.php UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites (some offensive language): http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/ NGamer64's Archive Site and (lol) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language): http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches: http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm All Time Top 10 Lists: http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2002stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2003stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/spring2004stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2004stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/spring2005stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2005stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/july2006stats.htm http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/summer2006stats.htm HaRRicH's Fourpack of Fun Board: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 TRE's poll listing (every poll!): http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html Aprosenf's Poll Script: http://www.geocities.com/aprosenf/allpolls.txt GameFAQs' Top 100 Games http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/top10 Manual Poll Updater: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/pollupdate.php Leon Kennedy > Vivi |
| neonreaper | Posted 8/16/2007 1:45:39 PM | message detail |
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to 500~! --- cherish the certainty of now it kills you a bit at a time |
| KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 8/16/2007 1:46:23 PM | message detail |
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Knuckles > Magus Err...Squall > Sonic! --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2088 Never forget. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/16/2007 7:03:52 PM | message detail |
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http://i14.tinypic.com/4u4ps7p.jpg http://i10.tinypic.com/4tzsymt.jpg http://i18.tinypic.com/4r23vw5.jpg DISCUSS --- DC |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 7:09:49 PM | message detail |
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Nightmare > Vyse --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/16/2007 7:10:04 PM | message detail |
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Can someone give me the link to the Favorite FF7 character poll? Also I'm liking that 500 post! --- ...You know what would make this fight even better? If it had the Beetleborgs. And Godzilla.- SEP |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/16/2007 7:10:11 PM | message detail |
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what a bullcrap 500 --- Moltar Status: Hyped through the roof! The Analysis Crew...believe |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 7:11:48 PM | message detail |
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Also... Bomberman > PW --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| smitelf | Posted 8/16/2007 7:12:07 PM | message detail |
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You're saying that a character from a game that's, say, the 20th
favorite of GameFAQs has an equal chance of being popular as a
character from a game that didn't get a single vote? Excuse me if I'm
skeptical. No, I'm saying the following: Popular character -> game on the top 100 list = TRUE Game on the top 100 list -> popular character = FALSE --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/16/2007 7:12:07 PM | message detail |
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I don't know who Frank West or Jade Curtiss or whoever else is in that division other than the one I have in 1st. --- DC |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/16/2007 7:13:21 PM | message detail |
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Phoenix Wright (2006c) has a strength of 21.19 against Base Link. Bomberman (2003c) has a strength of 19.59 against Base Link. Phoenix Wright wins with 53.78% of the vote! Granted PW is probably overrated in the stats, but Bomberman has also been absent for 4 years. I doubt those years have been kind to him. PW2 came out last year. Bomberman's last gave was Act Zero. PW has dedicated fans. Bomberman doesn't. --- ...You know what would make this fight even better? If it had the Beetleborgs. And Godzilla.- SEP |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 7:13:44 PM | message detail |
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No, I'm saying the following: Popular character -> game on the top 100 list = TRUE Game on the top 100 list -> popular character = FALSE But that has nothing to do with the discussion. No one said that being on the list automatically made you popular. You said that being on the list had nothing to do with popularity. Thus you either suscribe to the statement I just posted above, or you must take back what you said previously. --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/16/2007 7:14:43 PM | message detail |
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I'm a dedicated Bomberman fan so you fail. --- DC |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 7:16:19 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'd just like to throw out that the whole "So and so has a
dedicated fanbase!" **** is being WAY overplayed in the last couple of
topics. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/16/2007 7:21:28 PM | message detail |
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Phoenix Wright (2006c) has a strength of 21.19 against Base Link. Bomberman (2003c) has a strength of 19.59 against Base Link. yeah, Bomberman can't possibly be underrated through Squall/Cloud. do you people just blindly thrown out the numbers without considering any other factors? come on. Granted PW is probably overrated in the stats, but Bomberman has also been absent for 4 years. I doubt those years have been kind to him. three, actualy. PW2 came out last year. Bomberman's last gave was Act Zero. is that Bomberman Live or something? PW has dedicated fans. Bomberman doesn't. again, you haven't given a single reason why he doesn't. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| smitelf | Posted 8/16/2007 7:21:59 PM | message detail |
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From The n00b Avenger But that has nothing to do with the discussion. No one said that being on the list automatically made you popular. You said that being on the list had nothing to do with popularity. Thus you either suscribe to the statement I just posted above, or you must take back what you said previously. You're misinterpreting my previous statement, which I stand by completely when it is taken in context, but allow me to make it clearer: CC being on the top 100 list is totally irrelevant because it implies nothing about how popular or well-known Serge is. Being on the top 100 list does not imply anything about how popular the character is. That does NOT mean that being a popular character doesn't say something about a game being on the top 100 list. They are two distinct relationships. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 7:27:03 PM | message detail |
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You said, and I quote, that a game being in the top 100 is "utterly meaningless" That says that you think that the popularity of a game as taken by a large sample of GameFAQs users does not reflect the potential popularity of the characters within it. By saying that a game's popularity within that sample is utterly meaningless, you are also implying that a game in the number 25 slot and a game that did not receive a single vote have the same chance to produce popular characters among the voting pool. I am merely disagreeing with that notion and saying that it's only logical to assume that a game that is more popular among a sample of GameFAQs users has a higher chance to produce more popular characters than a game that said sample cared absolutely nothing about. That doesn't sound farfetched to me. The larger the base is to start with on popularity, the better legs any characters from said base have to stand on. That doesn't mean popular game automatically equals popular character. But no one said that. But to claim that there's absolutely no relation between the two, is, in my opinion, folly --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 8/16/2007 7:32:11 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that the top 100 is COMPLETELY
meaningless. I'd say that is has about as much of an impact as SGFF
(Split Genre Fan Factor). For example, three platforming game
characters and an RPG character. Less than a hundredth of a percent of
impact. --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. |
| Evil_REmade | Posted 8/16/2007 7:48:43 PM | message detail |
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I didn't even notice you took Jade second in that fourpack. I'm pretty
confident in Ada there. With her extra segments in both the PS2 and Wii
versions of RE4, she should be able to take 2nd there. --- [=[_] =] Nintendo DS~See double while sober! [+[_]·:·] Wii FC: 7696 5759 3867 0483 |
| smitelf | Posted 8/16/2007 7:53:21 PM | message detail |
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You said, and I quote, that a game being in the top 100 is "utterly meaningless" Which it is. The game being in top 100 says nothing about the character's popularity. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it is "utterly useless" because there are many better indicators. If you were to say that one character had a game in the top 25 and another had a game not in the top 100, as per your example, then perhaps in that extreme situation there would be some mild correlation that a scientist would shoot himself in the face before he relied on. Any character in this contest but the lowest of low fodder (heck, including the lowest of low fodder, note Starcraft's position) has a game somewhere on that list, minus the newbies. We would have far better indicators to use anyway in such an extreme situation, so the top 100 is very safely discarded. If we have to resort to using the top 100, it means we have no argument. There are any number of reasons that one game could be much lower than another on the top 100, yet still sport the most popular character. And I can't believe that I've wasted this much time on this meaningless discussion. I'm done now, really <<;; --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 7:55:26 PM | message detail |
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's common sense that
there would be a correlation between the popularity of the character
and the popularity of the game. --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 7:56:28 PM | message detail |
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Why is it so hard to believe that Snake = Mario 2K5 indirectly? Sure
Mario would kick his ass, because his Nintendo backing would completely
dessert him, Mario has proven to be able to SFF people, and SFF them
hard. Samus? Everyone loves to bring up her inability to SFF anyone
ever, yet now all of a sudden you want to say she SFF'd Snake to make
that equality look even more insane. In 2K5 Mario beat Crono with 53.85% of the vote. In 2K6 Snake beat Sonic with 55% of the vote. Sonic beat Crono with 50.77% of the vote. That means Snake is projected to beat Sonic with 55.69% of the vote, which is what I'd call siginificantly better than how Mario beat Crono just a year ago. I know everyone wants to say Crono weakened this year, but really, it's only about 1% in the stats, which basically ends up making Snake 2K6 indirectly = Mario 2K5 (yes Mario would kick his ass 1v1). So really, why is it so absolutely absurd and crazy for that to be true? Unless of course you think Mario is suddenly going to be on par with Sephiroth, who beat him with 56% of the vote in Mario's best year to date. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| cyko | Posted 8/16/2007 7:57:19 PM | message detail |
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well, i just now discovered that Jade Curtiss is a dude, and not a hot chick. i figured that this Jade might have a chance against Ada Wong if she was better looking than the last Jade. but seeing how she's not even a lady at all, i'm throwing that idea right out the window. --- I support the following SC2K6 characters: L-Block, Phoenix Wright, Magus, Agent J, Vincent Valentine, Miles Edgeworth, HK-47, Zero, Kefka |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 7:57:39 PM | message detail |
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I think it's common sense that
there would be a correlation between the popularity of the character
and the popularity of the game. Which is why Cloud kicks Links ass everyone year. lol wate --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| __hiei__ | Posted 8/16/2007 7:58:41 PM | message detail |
| Jade is awesome.he creates spears out of nowhere. |
| smitelf | Posted 8/16/2007 7:59:03 PM | message detail |
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If I had time (I'm going to bed now), I'd fill in a bracket based on the top 100 positions of the games for laughs, but alas. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Political Compass: -0.38, -4.21 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 7:59:36 PM | message detail |
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Which is why the Final Fantasy series beat the Legend of Zelda series. lol wate. Regardless, that doesn't mean anything either. A correlation doesn't mean a 1:1 ratio in every case. That's a foolish notion. I just don't see how you could expect a character to be popular if his game isn't. Unless it's a special case like an icon like Pac-Man. But even he's not doing so hot >_< --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:00:47 PM | message detail |
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Which is why the Final Fantasy series beat the Legend of Zelda series. And thank you for proving my point, games contest, series contest, top 100 list, all have nothing to do with characters. They are all separate entities entirely, there is no point in using them. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:01:52 PM | message detail |
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I don't expect a character to be popular if his game isn't.... I could
write something up about this, or you could just go back and re-read
smitelfs post. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 8:02:43 PM | message detail |
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If you admit that a character can't be popular without a popular game,
that's admitting to a correlation. That's a base that's necessary for
popularity, thus it's not meaningless. --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:03:50 PM | message detail |
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Which it is. The game being in top 100 says nothing about the character's popularity. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it is "utterly useless" because there are many better indicators. If you were to say that one character had a game in the top 25 and another had a game not in the top 100, as per your example, then perhaps in that extreme situation there would be some mild correlation that a scientist would shoot himself in the face before he relied on. Any character in this contest but the lowest of low fodder (heck, including the lowest of low fodder, note Starcraft's position) has a game somewhere on that list, minus the newbies. We would have far better indicators to use anyway in such an extreme situation, so the top 100 is very safely discarded. There you go, have fun. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 8:04:56 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I read that already. It's not really relevant but thanks anyway >_< --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| Just Some Person | Posted 8/16/2007 8:05:05 PM | message detail |
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Alucard Liquid Snake Ness Zidane Tribal Hmm. I get this feeling that many folks cared less about FFIX than the other PSX entries. So we can write off Zidane advancing to the second round. I don't think that being a Square char can erase the stigma of being the lead of the worst FF entry on the Playstation. That just leaves Ness, and how dedicated his fanbase remains. It's definitely a factor in determining whether or not he'll move on -- do regular poll voters even care about Earthbound? 1) Alucard 2) Liquid Snake ...imo, of course. --- Food. |
| outback | Posted 8/16/2007 8:07:32 PM | message detail |
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I think Liquid beats Alucard, personally, although I'm not entirely
sure on my reasoning for it. Maybe MGS4 hype, and the fact that "Snake"
is in his name. --- I have seen the top of the mountain. And it is good. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 8:09:25 PM | message detail |
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Liquid won't be beating Alucard, but him and Ness should have a good fight. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:10:42 PM | message detail |
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It's completely relevant. Of course it has a correlation in completely
extreme cases that are so absurd there's no point in even bringing it
up. Just because a game is higher on the list than another game, it's
character isn't magically going to do better now. If you really want to
get into it, I'm sure you can find nearly just as many cases where
someone with a less popular game has a more popular character than a
more popular game, if not more. (y halo thar CT at # 3, Halo at #9, FF
3/6 at #10, GTA at #11, Castlevania at # 15, Starcraft at #18, Diablo
at #20, Sonic appearing at friggin' 38, and Mega Man being absolutely
no where to be found.) It's an absolutely horrid argument. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/16/2007 8:11:13 PM | message detail |
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only by gut do I feel Ness and Alucard have more hardcore fans. Liquid
seems like someone who gets casual votes to me. Ocelot seems more of a
fan favorite. --- Network Premiere of: "GA All The Way." Watch one black kid's desperate search for his Wii. |
| greatone10 | Posted 8/16/2007 8:11:44 PM | message detail |
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It should be noted that the Top 100 is a complete farce based on the
simple notion that it was basically decided by whatever games CJayC
decided should be in the nomination list. Only two write-ins made it;
one happened to be a huge board favorite at the best possible time, and
the other was a snubbed sequel to a game that made the Top 10.. --- RIP Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005 Nancy & Daniel Benoit Rufus Shinra made me look like Jade in the Guru contest. Wario/Monkey Island for 2K7! |
| Just Some Person | Posted 8/16/2007 8:12:34 PM | message detail |
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I'm also basing my Alucard #1 position on the fact that SotN was put on Xbox Arcade, giving it more exposure. To what extent it will help -- I am not sure. But it should give him a boost. --- Food. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 8:12:44 PM | message detail |
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Halo at #9...Sonic appearing at friggin' 38, Master Chief in the finals confirmed! --- Believe |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 8:13:16 PM | message detail |
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It's completely relevant. Of course it has a correlation in
completely extreme cases that are so absurd there's no point in even
bringing it up. Just because a game is higher on the list than another
game, it's character isn't magically going to do better now. If you
really want to get into it, I'm sure you can find nearly just as many
cases where someone with a less popular game has a more popular
character than a more popular game, if not more. (y halo thar CT at #
3, Halo at #9, FF 3/6 at #10, GTA at #11, Castlevania at # 15,
Starcraft at #18, Diablo at #20, Sonic appearing at friggin' 38, and
Mega Man being absolutely no where to be found.) It's like you don't even understand what I'm saying. Well, whatever. It's not that important. Let's put it another way. Let's say there's 10 people, and we ask them to pick who they like better between Serge of Chrono Cross and Stahn of Tales of Destiny. Of these 10 people, 8 of them played and enjoyed Chrono Cross. And of those 10 people, only 3 played and enjoyed Tales of Destiny. Now... who do you think has the better chance of being picked by more of those 10 people, Stahn or Serge? --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:15:11 PM | message detail |
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Like I said, it has correlation in completely extreme cases that are so
****ing ridiculous there's no point in bringing it up. I could make
that decision if I was high on heroin. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 8:18:44 PM | message detail |
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Well, the cases aren't that extreme. The point is, the correlation is
obvious and it exists. I used an extreme to point out how obvious the
correlation is --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 8:19:09 PM | message detail |
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I'm never counting on the Chief again. Not even with Halo 3 on the
whole. He always ****ing screws me over. Can someone tell me how much
of a boost Halo 2 gave him? I'm just curious. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/16/2007 8:20:11 PM | message detail |
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Top 100 Games List arguments are so 2006. --- xexyz |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 8:21:31 PM | message detail |
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I'm just gonna lay this down on you folks. The Top 100 Games is obsolete, yo. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 8/16/2007 8:23:39 PM | message detail |
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The point of the comment to begin with was simply this Being on the top 100 games list > Not being on the top 100 games list. True in most cases I'd imagine, except for icons and cases like Megaman and Sonic where they just have too freaking many games(well Sonic did manage to get one on there) --- This story is not an end yet. Because only you are in the infinity loop. |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:26:52 PM | message detail |
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Well, the cases aren't that extreme. The point is, the correlation
is obvious and it exists. I used an extreme to point out how obvious
the correlation is But they kind of are. If you don't use such extreme examples, just look at all the ones that I listed that will lead you in the completely opposite direction. It's a complete crapshoot, and I really don't know why you're trying to make it anything other than that. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/16/2007 8:27:26 PM | message detail |
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Top 100 Games List arguments are so 2006. Top 100 Games List arguments were one thing for the series contest, but this is just ridiculous. --- mmm feel the vibration baby |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/16/2007 8:28:16 PM | message detail |
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just wait til H gets back. he's probably banging out a five post retort here. --- xexyz |
