GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 450
| Evil_REmade | Posted 8/15/2007 11:30:14 PM | message detail |
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Something I just noticed with my bracket: In the first Quarterfinal I
have Samus, Mega Man, Cloud, and Bowser. Is it likely that Bowser could
take enough votes away from Samus for Mega Man to beat her? --- [=[_] =] Nintendo DS~See double while sober! [+[_]·:·] Wii FC: 7696 5759 3867 0483 |
| creativename | Posted 8/15/2007 11:32:30 PM | message detail |
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Jesus...this is way too much discussion to catch up on. I'm not even going to try reading the last 2 topics. I did see some people in this topic mentioning 2K3 stats for Isaac, and I'm not too sure about the viability of that. In contest terms that's ancient history...pre-history even. Walking with dinosaurs style. Isaac could easily be like half as strong today. My comments on the bracket: * Midgar Zolom, Matt the Mii, L-Block...wow. Awesome. So awesome. * The great thing about this format is that you see sooo many characters. I love that. * One-on-one matches are more exciting and dramatic, but I think it's worth it to see all these characters - as well as things being a lot more unpredictable. This bracket is damn hard. * The worst thing about the bracket is the lack of seeding - this is causing lots of craptacular matches. * Sephiroth gets screwed over again...can't make the Final Four. Why does it seem like the bracket is always out to get him? * One thing I dislike: Midgar Zolom gets jobbed! If not for SFF against Cloud he might've had a shot against Ocelot or even Valentine. Or not, but I think as jokes go, his strength wouldn't be terrible. Observation: Rallying/cheating will now be twice as effective as before. And with a #2 result actually mattering, rallying could actually affect things here. I think a lot of people are going to screw up entering this bracket. I know I completely messed up the first time I filled it, as I hadn't read the instructions first. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 8/15/2007 11:32:34 PM | message detail |
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No. --- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes... |
| ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 11:37:47 PM | message detail |
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After talking to Leonhart, I've pretty much got zero confidence in my bracket. Except for Master Chief for some reason. I feel good about him. Everyone else... not so much. But some of the things make a bit more sense, or seem like they make sense. I'm thinking characters like Vincent and Auron will do a whole lot better in these types of polls than normal. --- Believe |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/15/2007 11:39:04 PM | message detail |
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Who's stronger, Arthas or Sarah Kerrigan? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/15/2007 11:39:27 PM | message detail |
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Anyone else taking Ike > Gordon? --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/15/2007 11:39:39 PM | message detail |
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I'd put my money on Arthas. --- hi |
| ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 11:40:01 PM | message detail |
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Arthas. --- Believe |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 11:40:06 PM | message detail |
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Arthas, just on the principle of Kerrigan's weakness. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/15/2007 11:40:37 PM | message detail |
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Who's stronger, Arthas or Sarah Kerrigan? I have absolutely no idea, and I don't really care. With KOS-MOS possibly beating Diablo head-on, him having to split with Arthas makes KOS-MOS the clear winner for me. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/15/2007 11:41:55 PM | message detail |
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D'oh... I mean... who's stronger, THRALL or Sarah Kerrigan? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 11:42:40 PM | message detail |
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Ike's in a bad position, though it's greedy to ask for a much better four-pack than one where Gordon Freeman is the strongest. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/15/2007 11:42:46 PM | message detail |
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Now THAT is a good question. No idea, really. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/15/2007 11:42:55 PM | message detail |
| THRALL, no doubt about it. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 11:43:10 PM | message detail |
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Kerrigan is EASILY stronger than Arthas. I also went with Tidus > Pikachu pretty easily in that one match you're all talking about. I think Pokemon has made enough of a rebound for Pikachu hate to have lessened. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/15/2007 11:43:11 PM | message detail |
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Just to clarify on Dante/Leon/Balthier/Vivi... Is there any "overlap" expected between Dante and Leon? Is it just a case of two independent matches of SFF? ___ *watches* o_o |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/15/2007 11:43:44 PM | message detail |
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...Assuming Vivi gets there <_< ___ *watches* o_o |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/15/2007 11:45:33 PM | message detail |
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creativename, what are your plans for the poll update script? --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| kupodood | Posted 8/15/2007 11:46:30 PM | message detail |
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Can Laharl beat a Tetris block and a PS3 exclusive character? this might be the quote of the topic. Thanks ^_^ --- EZEEJ HO! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 11:47:48 PM | message detail |
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Kerrigan and Thrall are on the same level of suckage. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/15/2007 11:51:50 PM | message detail |
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If Kerrigan = Thrall, it looks like Thrall couldn't beat Vergil without
a rally then. Vergil/Kerrigan would be about 60/40. Did someone mention
Thrall's match being on the day that all the Warcraft players were on? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/15/2007 11:54:12 PM | message detail |
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If Kerrigan = Thrall, it looks like Thrall couldn't beat Vergil
without a rally then. Vergil/Kerrigan would be about 60/40. Did someone
mention Thrall's match being on the day that all the Warcraft players
were on? Assuming the contest starts September the 3rd, the match is on a Friday. That's a lot of buffer for having it on a Tuesday, so it's probably not happening. I'm with Vergil on this one. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 11:55:09 PM | message detail |
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Even if it were on a Tuesday, Blizzard fans don't care about the characters. Rallying wouldn't matter. ~*ST*~ --- Petition for a system notification when a contribution is removed: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=37308859 |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/15/2007 11:57:42 PM | message detail |
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I don't play WoW, but I've heard they no longer do the Tuesday
maintenance thing. Other than patches and unforseen problems, it's up
24/7. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| THEVinceYoung | Posted 8/16/2007 12:01:36 AM | message detail |
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Let's see. I've been looking over a lot of old multiway polls, and
after doing so, I'm thinking that direct head-to-head strength isn't as
significant as I thought. I already brought up that Villains Contest
poll. Here are a few more: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=841 Auron destroys everything, Rikku beats Tidus, Yuna bombs badly. This is pre-FFX-2, for what it's worth. The fact that Tidus couldn't beat Rikku in this sort of poll makes me worry about his chances of SFFing Vivi, however. I think a character like Auron would excel in a format like this. Seems like he has some hardcore fans. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2328 Look at how poorly Bowser did. He didn't even beat Toad by that much (who is in his fourpack, coincidentally). LUIGI beat him there (maybe good news for those of you who have Luigi > Ganondorf). But perhaps Ryu > Bowser for round 1 isn't a bad idea. And MAYBE Bowser isn't as much of a lock to get through the Auron/Bowser/Ryu/Shadow fourpack as we think. Look at this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=840 Ryu destroyed the competition, big time. He definitely has a solid backing, old poll or not. The fact that he loses with about the same percentage every time seems to indicate that solid backing as well. Maybe he can use it to his advantage against Bowser. And after seeing how impressive Auron was in his own poll, perhaps he could still outlast Bowser (if he gets there!) even with Cloud in the picture. Oh, and don't count out Shadow. He did nearly as well in the Favorite Sonic Character poll as Sonic, and he was LAST in the Least Favorite Sonic Character poll (as in, he has the least amount of people who hate him most...). Also, behold this! http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1445 Cloud being in this poll makes it less useful, but it still has SOME use. Tidus couldn't even beat TERRA there, and Yuna bombed AGAIN (though both of them being in the same poll probably had some effect on that). Zidane wasn't that far from Tidus himself. Basically, I don't expect Tidus to benefit in a format featuring other FF characters, like Vivi. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845 Vincent was easily second here, for those of you thinking about Vincent > Crono. No CT-related polls, unfortunately. --- What now, Merril Hoge? |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 12:02:11 AM | message detail |
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Am I nuts for having Matt the Mii and L-Block advancing? Matt could be fodder of the weakest kind but he's against such weak opponents (who's Amaterasu? I search for that and didn't see anything video game related), however I think L-block could well be stronger than Laharl. Is that dumb? Haste2: Well, as you were mentioning Solid Snake's 4-pack... notice how he's leagues above the others. Since all of Snake's victims will get a low percentage, Vyse's cult SoA following (and RPG following, too) will probably be magnified here to get him the victory over Nightmare, though I'd Nightmare over Vyse in a normal contest. If it was someone a lot weaker than Solid Snake, Nightmare would suddenly have a lot more a shot. That's my two cents, at least. That does make sense. (...though I still have trouble seeing Vyse beat Nightmare) Wow, this contest is going to be so crazy. There's going to be so many weird things. And it kicks into gear right at the start - that Knuckles/Yoshi/Rikku/Vaan match is real interesting. I'm guessing Yoshi 1 Knuckles 2 in round 1, but Knuckles comes in 2nd in round 2 due to MM SFFing Yoshi. TRE: creativename, what are your plans for the poll update script? Wasting some hours of my time altering it :( ...will probably have to make a new database table. I'm probably not going to bother making a matches page like I usually do. Also I won't know what changes I have to make until the first poll is up, so much of that match will probably be missed (and hopefully I won't have anything urgent to do that day). --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 12:04:53 AM | message detail |
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Let's see. I've been looking over a lot of old multiway polls, and
after doing so, I'm thinking that direct head-to-head strength isn't as
significant as I thought. We have a bunch of empirical evidence that 2-person strength doesn't translate well to multi-way matches, I agree. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| THEVinceYoung | Posted 8/16/2007 12:08:52 AM | message detail |
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Amaterasu is from Okami. If you move your browser over the character's
name on the bracket page, it gives you a brief description. --- What now, Merril Hoge? |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:10:04 AM | message detail |
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I also think there is a lack of discussion concerning the
Squall/Aeris/Sora/Lara fourpack. Can FF SFF KH in such an overwhelming
fashion that Sora would be defeated? It doesn't really matter what Lara
gets, unless you think she has a chance (which she doesn't). So we
basically have 100% to divide over our 3 Square characters (it's all
relative). Assuming Squall beats Aeris with 65% (very random and
somewhat worthless assumption, I know, but she should hold up a lot
better than Tidus), Squall/Aeris would have to get over 74% on Sora for
him not get through. I think the biggest question for this 4-pack is how much Squall gets on Aeris. I guess 65 would be a lot, and Squall/Aeris 74-ing Sora is certainly not unreasonable, but I still think Sora has a chance. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| kupodood | Posted 8/16/2007 12:12:10 AM | message detail |
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Posted 8/16/2007 12:10:04 AM message detail I also think there is a lack of discussion concerning the Squall/Aeris/Sora/Lara fourpack. Can FF SFF KH in such an overwhelming fashion that Sora would be defeated? It doesn't really matter what Lara gets, unless you think she has a chance (which she doesn't). So we basically have 100% to divide over our 3 Square characters (it's all relative). Assuming Squall beats Aeris with 65% (very random and somewhat worthless assumption, I know, but she should hold up a lot better than Tidus), Squall/Aeris would have to get over 74% on Sora for him not get through. I think the biggest question for this 4-pack is how much Squall gets on Aeris. I guess 65 would be a lot, and Squall/Aeris 74-ing Sora is certainly not unreasonable, but I still think Sora has a chance. I don't even have that fourpack. I have Squall/Akuma/Sora/Wesker, because of my unwavering Aeris bias and my thinking that she could get SFF'd enough for Akuma to slip by her. --- EZEEJ HO! |
| creativename | Posted 8/16/2007 12:12:33 AM | message detail |
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I just realized that Tifa didn't make it. 128 characters and she couldn't make the cut. Wow. Girl lost to Samus by 1418 votes and somehow got less noms than Tom Nook and Guybrush. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 12:12:49 AM | message detail |
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The only notable victories Blizzard is ever going to have under it's
belt is the deserving Starcraft run, Diablo, and that one Warcraft
victory over GTA, and that's ****ing it. Everything else is worthless. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/16/2007 12:14:07 AM | message detail |
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That's like...80% of the matches Blizzard has had in all of the contests, though... --- hi |
| ZFS | Posted 8/16/2007 12:14:32 AM | message detail |
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because of my unwavering Aeris bias and my thinking that she could get SFF'd enough for Akuma to slip by her. FFVII doesn't get SFFed. A good example is Squall/Vincent. And Aeris held up well enough in that Favorite FFVII character poll. If there is SFF, it won't be a bunch. --- Believe |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:15:03 AM | message detail |
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The problems with the multipolls you have been digging up is that it's
all from the same fanbase. Head-on strength is very important. Ganon
got 17% on Link, and he would do spectacularly bad in a favourite Zelda
character poll. Doesn't mean he won't cruise past his first 3
fourpacks. Am I nuts for having Matt the Mii and L-Block advancing? Hardly. I have them both as well That does make sense. (...though I still have trouble seeing Vyse beat Nightmare) It sure does. I changed to Vyse. And it kicks into gear right at the start - that Knuckles/Yoshi/Rikku/Vaan match is real interesting. I'm guessing Yoshi 1 Knuckles 2 in round 1, but Knuckles comes in 2nd in round 2 due to MM SFFing Yoshi. Agreed again. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| kupodood | Posted 8/16/2007 12:15:25 AM | message detail |
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FFVII doesn't get SFFed. A good example is Squall/Vincent. And Aeris
held up well enough in that Favorite FFVII character poll. If there is
SFF, it won't be a bunch. Still, unwavering Aeris bias! --- EZEEJ HO! |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:16:31 AM | message detail |
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Still, unwavering Aeris bias! Don't let that ruin your bracket =p I had Akuma for a short while, then I had some fun with numbers and really, there's no chance of him advancing. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/16/2007 12:17:03 AM | message detail |
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The point is anything else Blizzard isn't worth our time. --- Pokemon Pearl Code: 2663-9266-2709 WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:17:51 AM | message detail |
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Also, I'm stomped at the 4-pack of Alucard Liquid Snake Ness Zidane Tribal Toughest one in the entire bracket IMO. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| THEVinceYoung | Posted 8/16/2007 12:18:33 AM | message detail |
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The problems with the multipolls you have been digging up is that
it's all from the same fanbase. Head-on strength is very important. Oh, I agree, but I don't think it's AS important as we think. The Villains Contest poll isn't a SFF poll though. Besides, those Favorites polls do show the dedication of fans to said character, something that matters a lot when you have more than two options to choose from. --- What now, Merril Hoge? |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:19:07 AM | message detail |
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I just realized that Tifa didn't make it. 128 characters and she couldn't make the cut. Wow. Girl lost to Samus by 1418 votes and somehow got less noms than Tom Nook and Guybrush. Yeah I'm not buying that. I'm certain she had sufficient noms. I will buy, however, that she got less noms than Cloud, Sephiroth, Vincent, Aeris and Midgar Zolom. SB probably decided 5 was enough. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/16/2007 12:19:39 AM | message detail |
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I'd love to see a Mario/Luigi/Yoshi/Bowser 4-pack in this contest. Yoshi > Mario aw yeah. --- hi |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 8/16/2007 12:20:00 AM | message detail |
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From consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:17:51 AM | #239 Also, I'm stomped at the 4-pack of Alucard Liquid Snake Ness Zidane Tribal Toughest one in the entire bracket IMO. Yeah, I think the only safe assumption is Zidane being out of the running, but that still doesn't halt the question of what his effect on the other three characters will be. I still don't believe Ness getting through because he's the only Nintendo character, though. He's not Nintendo enough for that to be the case <_< ___ *watches* o_o |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:20:56 AM | message detail |
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Oh, I agree, but I don't think it's AS important as we think. The Villains Contest poll isn't a SFF poll though. Besides, those Favorites polls do show the dedication of fans to said character, something that matters a lot when you have more than two options to choose from. I know what you mean, and I agree. It is for this reason that I see great things for Master Chief, that I picked Vyse over Nightmare, that I'm picking MM > Knuckles (> Yoshi), and so on. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| THEVinceYoung | Posted 8/16/2007 12:21:06 AM | message detail |
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But after thinking about it, Zidane isn't as out of the running as I
originally believed. I probably won't pick him, but he's...CLOSER than
the experts think. </Corso> --- What now, Merril Hoge? |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/16/2007 12:22:42 AM | message detail |
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Heh, I have Ganondorf in the final... yes, that's right. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/16/2007 12:24:02 AM | message detail |
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What Kleenex said. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:39:16 AM | message detail |
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After some calculating, I'd peg Alucard at around 26% on base Link,
Liquid at 24% and Ness at 21%. Alucard probably remained stable, though
dropping over the contests seems like a tradition for him, Liquid has
reasons to rise (general MGS boosting), and Ness is the only Nintendo
character, with Zidane sucking votes from both Alucard and Liquid,
however small. Urgh. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/16/2007 12:40:40 AM | message detail |
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And Alucard certainly seemed to have dropped last year, when his
performance on Auron was hardly 26% worthy. But then I'd take Zidane to
suck more votes from Liquid than from Alucard. --- 'At least your sword is to the point.' *One_Winged_Ange* |
| Lightning Strikes | Posted 8/16/2007 1:14:52 AM | message detail |
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Alucard and Ness seem to be the obvious choices. We'll see. --- It's not trolling. It's Justice. AIR CONDITIONER. |
