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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:17:22 PM | message detail
...But to say she's not beating him anytime soon when they're virtual equals at worst is ludicrous.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:18:22 PM | message detail
NGS eliminates the possibility of Hayabusa losing to either of them.

But I don't see what that has to do with Meta Knight, since Hayabusa would crush him.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:19:10 PM | message detail
NGS eliminates the possibility of Hayabusa losing to either of them.

Thank you. That's all I was trying to get across.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 2:19:11 PM | message detail
Wasn't Meta Knight one of the most requested people to be in SSBB? Cause I know I heard that somewhere.

And once Nintendo character number 256 gets into the game, then Nintendo character number 257 will be one of the most requested people, am I rite?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/15/2007 2:19:46 PM | message detail
I'll be voting for Meta-Knight in his match, but you're crazy if you think he breaks the fodder line before Brawl.

He's a badass Kirby with wings. He's probably around Ness right now and after Brawl he'll be higher.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:21:12 PM | message detail
It boggles my mind how people can think Ike, Metaknight and Pit will do anything this year.

Neither of Ike's games have been released in America yet, Pit hasn't had a game since the 80's, and Metaknight is a Kirby sidecharacter in the same fourpack as Nintendo's (second) leading lady.

You could make arguments for them after Brawl comes out, but until then all 3 are fodder. I think what we're seeing here is people overcompensating for getting burned by Snake last year. We see something like this EVERY YEAR with recent examples including the Vincent > Sonic 2k6 bandwagon, the Kerrigan > Vincent 2k5 bandwagon and the Bowser > Snake 2k5 bandwagon.

Other examples in the contest include: Scorpion overrating, Master Chief underrating, Zero underrating (seriously, Raiden?) and the Frog underrating.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:21:24 PM | message detail
And once Nintendo character number 256 gets into the game, then Nintendo character number 257 will be one of the most requested people, am I rite?

That still doesn't discredit people wanting Meta-Knight in the game.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:22:05 PM | message detail
He's a badass Kirby with wings. He's probably around Ness right now and after Brawl he'll be higher.

Most of Kirby's popularity comes from his cute design. Meta Knight doesn't have that advantage.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:22:36 PM | message detail
I was never on any of those bandwagons, BTW, and I don't expect Pit and Ike to go anywhere come the second round.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:22:37 PM | message detail
Neither of Ike's games have been released in America yet

Um, what? That's not correct.
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:22:42 PM | message detail
Meta-Knight beating Ness? Man, you people are out there today.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 2:23:07 PM | message detail
Neither of Ike's games have been released in America yet

I've been cool with you of late, but you're wrong there. Ike is the main character of Path of Radiance, and Goddess of Dawn is coming soon for the Wii.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/15/2007 2:23:10 PM | message detail
Other examples in the contest include: Scorpion overrating, Yes.Master Chief underrating, No. Zero underrating (seriously, Raiden?) No. and the Frog underrating.

Yes

2/4 ain't bad, Turtle.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 2:23:50 PM | message detail
That still doesn't discredit people wanting Meta-Knight in the game.

And that doesn't discredit people wanting character number 257 in the game as well! Nintendo character 257 > Peach!!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:24:07 PM | message detail
Meta-Knight beating Ness I don't see happening. Ness beating Peach, yeah I can actually picture that. Call me crazy, but I just don't think Peach is that much of a powerhouse just because she can beat Jill by a measely amount of votes.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:24:11 PM | message detail
Geno was one of the most requested characters, that didn't stop him from getting tripled by Squall.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:24:15 PM | message detail
You are insane if you think Meta-Knight competes with Ness...ever. Even after Brawl.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:24:22 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised to see Meta-Knight at least pull a close one with Ness, though not Pit and Ike.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 2:25:19 PM | message detail
I actually struggled with Axel vs Frog for a bit, because CT is declining and Kingdom Hearts is one of the hottest series on the site right now. But Frog scored 30% on a gimp Samus. Axel scored 30% on a gimp Mega Man. Tough for me to pick that sniveling little booger over my beloved Axel, but I did end up going with it.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:25:35 PM | message detail
MNM is totally missing my point. Meta Knight was actually popular(unlike Ike and Pit) and had a decent following before he was announced in SSBB, that simply helped him actually get in a contest.
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:26:05 PM | message detail
Well, it's more like Nintendo character 40, which isn't nearly as much of a stretch...But regardless, the most popular Nintendo franchise characters have already been included as of Melee. I don't expect anyone (...except for Snake and possibly whoever else they include from the third party) to really break through the established Nintendo hierarchy. Sure, you might get Meta-Knight or Ike up to the point where they can contend with Ness, but they won't ever be beating Peach.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:26:11 PM | message detail
Geno was one of the most requested characters, that didn't stop him from getting tripled by Squall.

God damnit, now this whole conversation is turning into a mockery >_>
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:26:22 PM | message detail
Right now I could see Meta Knight losing to Captain Falcon.

After Brawl he'll be at or above Ness, but right now he's too unknown and stuck in a match with Peach stealing all of his support. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes in a distant last.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:26:56 PM | message detail
Ulti prefers Axel over Frog? Come on man :/
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:27:29 PM | message detail
What does Meta Knight have that would put him over Geno?
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:28:13 PM | message detail
I've pondered Axel over Frog, but that just seems too weird to actually take.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:28:54 PM | message detail
What does Meta Knight have that would put him over Geno?

He's in the majority of Kirby games since Kirby Superstar. He's basically a badass version of Kirby. And if you think Peach can SFF like Squall...well, just WTF at that thought.
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:29:43 PM | message detail
I highly doubt Squall SFF'd Geno. Peach is actually more likely to SFF him than Squall is.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:29:47 PM | message detail
Axel > Frog?

Wtf?

30% on Samus > 30% on Mega Man

And you said it yourself that this format favours cult games like CT (though I would argue that point).

Not only that, but Frog beat pre-KH2 Riku, which is safely above Axel's ceiling.

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/15/2007 2:30:25 PM | message detail
Taking the Booger over Ginger was a pretty easy descision for me <_<
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:31:16 PM | message detail
I've been cool with you of late, but you're wrong there. Ike is the main character of Path of Radiance, and Goddess of Dawn is coming soon for the Wii.

My bad. I was under the impression Ike was solely from the upcoming FE game.

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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:31:59 PM | message detail
But you have to remember, this is NOT a battle of who wins head-to-head. I honestly expect to see several instances (not involving noticeable SFF) where a weaker character finishes above one stronger than him/her.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:32:23 PM | message detail
**** it, I'm switching to Peach. I give up. This better not come back to bite me in the ass >_>
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neonreaper | Posted 8/15/2007 2:33:56 PM | message detail
Mega Man vs. Diablo/KOS-MOS/Arthas
-I'd put Diablo a peg higher than KOS, but I'm pretty sure you'll see Arthas take votes from him. I'd rather see the Blizz SFF in a second round match.

Mario vs. Big Boss/Pac-Man/Wander
-I tried to think this one out before I stepped back and checked my gut. At first, I though "MGS vs fodder". Then I realized Boss and Pac are weak, and though Wander would be a nice upset pick. And then I stepped back and "oh, it's Mario vs Pac Man vs some chumps most people honestly won't recognize".

Magus vs. Bomberman/Crash/Phoenix Wright
-PWNW

Link vs. Agent J/Bidoof/Edgeworth
-It's Pokemon. Or "Jokemon", but nevertheless...

Zero vs. HK-47/Jak/Lloyd Irving
-I'll probably switch this one 10 times.

Luigi vs. Mudkip/Pit/Tingle
-Not sure what to make of Pit. Here we have 2 joke characters from popular series, but I'll go with the Jokemon if it's close.

Ganondorf vs. Ratchet/Thrall/Vergil
-If Thrall is more Diablo than he is Kerrigan, then it's close. But I'm guessing he's more Kerrigan.

Dante vs. Amaterasu/Little Mac/Matt
-I could see him doing surprisingly well compared to the other fodder here.

Kirby vs. L-Block/Laharl/Nathan Hale
-Heh, Laharl gets to sweat it out against L Block.

Solid Snake vs. Nightmare/Vyse/Rayman
-Gut says Vyse but I'm going to overthink this one for now.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:34:12 PM | message detail
Perfect example of that will be Zero making it to the quarter finals with Link over Crono/Vincent <_<

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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 2:36:04 PM | message detail
**** it, I'm switching to Peach. I give up. This better not come back to bite me in the ass >_>

By all means, my intent in arguing isn't to make people change their bracket! If you think Meta-Knight will beat Peach, by all means go for it! Conforming is something that you definitely don't want to do in this contest. I'm just arguing to kill time at work! Which I'm done with. So I'm out. :)
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/15/2007 2:36:26 PM | message detail
ou are insane if you think Meta-Knight competes with Ness...ever. Even after Brawl.

Why the hell wouldn't he ever be able to compete with Ness. I guarantee more of GameFAQS has played a Kirby game with him in it than Earthbound and he has casual appeal that Ness would never have.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:36:51 PM | message detail
I just don't like safe picks. They usually screw me over.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:37:49 PM | message detail
Ness also has two more Smash Bros. games than Meta Knight will.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:38:41 PM | message detail
Honestly, CATS has a better shot than Meta-Knight at taking second place in that match. He's guaranteed a good portion of the vote isn't he? For the record he mustered 12% against Link in 2004.
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:39:06 PM | message detail
Kirby would ****ing destroy Ness. And everyone knows Meta Knight. Meta Knight > Ness in a matchup easily.
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:40:07 PM | message detail
...Everyone knows Meta-Knight? You guys DO realize that Kirby games usually don't sell that well, right?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:40:38 PM | message detail
Ness > Geno > Meta Knight

Super Mario RPG >>> Any Kirby game

Earthbound > Any Kirby game
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:40:47 PM | message detail
I didn't even know what Meta Knight looked like until the Brawl trailer.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:41:36 PM | message detail
Noone knows Meta-Knight for ****'s sake. I love Meta-Knight, but I would never take him in a direct match with a more popular Nintendo character.

Hell, right now I'd hesitate to take him over Captain freaking Falcon, who is comfortably lower than Ness.

Noone has given one solid reason why Meta Knight will do ANYTHING, let alone beat out PRINCESS FREAKING PEACH.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 2:45:21 PM | message detail
From HeroicTronBonne Posted 8/15/2007 5:32:23 PM #283
**** it, I'm switching to Peach. I give up. This better not come back to bite me in the ass >_>

Worth noting that I have Fox > Peach.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:46:57 PM | message detail
Worth noting that I have Fox > Peach.

Oh I've had Fox going that far fer awhile.
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:49:30 PM | message detail
NominateSerge
Posted 8/15/2007 2:40:07 PM
message detail ...Everyone knows Meta-Knight? You guys DO realize that Kirby games usually don't sell that well, right?

You do know that Kirby is pretty popular on this site right?
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:50:12 PM | message detail
...Anyone considering the possibility of Squall outlasting Sonic? I mean, he didn't do much worse on Snake than Sonic did. Plus, this is an entirely different format. And here's the kicker: I always pick Sonic to go one round farther than he actually does.

I have Sonic in the final match.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:50:22 PM | message detail
Kirby's popular. His games are not.
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