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swirIdude | Posted 8/15/2007 1:38:45 PM | message detail
Mega Man vs. Diablo/KOS-MOS/Arthas - A Tuesday match with a Warcraft character is my only concern.

Mario vs. Big Boss/Pac-Man/Wander - I wouldn't be shocked if Pac hits last place.

Magus vs. Bomberman/Crash/Phoenix Wright - XBL is enough recency and exposure to get him in.

Link vs. Agent J/Bidoof/Edgeworth - Though I have no clue.

Zero vs. HK-47/Jak/Lloyd Irving - Predominantly Nintendo RPG should win out.

Luigi vs. Mudkip/Pit/Tingle - Nightmare of a choice, but I think he has the most positive exposure.

Ganondorf vs. Ratchet/Thrall/Vergil - Well we have seen him before, and we know he's better than Ratchet. Not confident in Thrall.

Dante vs. Amaterasu/Little Mac/Matt - Hard to say, but some might know him.

Kirby vs. L-Block/Laharl/Nathan Hale - Has a cult fanbase, should prevail.

Solid Snake vs. Nightmare/Vyse/Rayman - See above, though I am worried about Nightmare's badass pic, whichever it is.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 8/15/2007 1:39:01 PM | message detail
Mega Man vs. Diablo/KOS-MOS/Arthas

Mario vs. Big Boss/Pac-Man/Wander

Magus vs. Bomberman/Crash/Phoenix Wright

Link vs. Agent J/Bidoof/Edgeworth

Zero vs. HK-47/Jak/Lloyd Irving

Luigi vs. Mudkip/Pit/Tingle

Ganondorf vs. Ratchet/Thrall/Vergil

Dante vs. Amaterasu/Little Mac/Matt

Kirby vs. L-Block/Laharl/Nathan Hale

Solid Snake vs. Nightmare/Vyse/Rayman


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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/15/2007 1:39:12 PM | message detail
Master Chief because of Halo 3.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 8/15/2007 1:41:07 PM | message detail
I still wish to discuss Thrall's chances. It's likely he'll get a big Warcraft Orc picture which will immediately make everyone go "oh, he's from WoW" and perhaps vote. This is a bit different from everyone saying "people will recognize Vivi as a Black Mage and vote" because this is WoW we're talking about.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/15/2007 1:45:22 PM | message detail
I'm curious to see the prediction percentages in these matches. Is he going to show how many picked the character to advance overall, who picked them in the right place, or both? If it's just who picked them in the right place, it would technically be possible for a later round match to have a higher prediction percentage than the one before it.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 1:47:54 PM | message detail
Speaking of which, there was an interesting topic earlier: which matches will get more than 80% prediction percentage? The only one I can think of that really stands a chance is Sephiroth/Peach. Are there any others?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/15/2007 1:48:50 PM | message detail
Link himself will probably manage something like that through the whole contest, heh, but for overall matches, I dunno.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 8/15/2007 1:49:11 PM | message detail
Leon, I hope we get as much detail as possible. Good reading.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 8/15/2007 1:50:17 PM | message detail
Link will get probably over 90% in his four-pack alone, he has nothing but Tanner-level fodder around him there.
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smitelf | Posted 8/15/2007 1:51:58 PM | message detail
From Mac Arrowny
Speaking of which, there was an interesting topic earlier: which matches will get more than 80% prediction percentage? The only one I can think of that really stands a chance is Sephiroth/Peach. Are there any others?

How about Balthier/Ada? Sonic/Sub-Zero?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 1:52:01 PM | message detail
That's true...but I can't see any of the other three having more than 50%. I was talking about people getting both correct, and in order. Hell, even just getting both correct will reduce the percentage drastically.
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/15/2007 1:52:11 PM | message detail
Question: to get points, we have to get both characters right, correct? For instance, if we have Yoshi first and Rikku second (not that I do) in the first fourpack, but it goes Yoshi/Knuckles, would we get a point for having Yoshi finish in the right place?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/15/2007 1:52:57 PM | message detail
Eh, I don't think Balthier/Ada will get 80%+. Sonic/Sub-Zero should be pretty high, but 80% will be difficult for any match, really.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 8/15/2007 1:53:36 PM | message detail
Anyone trying for a zero bracket this time around?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/15/2007 1:53:42 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure you have to have BOTH characters to get any points. If you have them in the right order, you get full credit. If you have the right two but wrong order, you get half the points, I think.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 1:54:37 PM | message detail
How about Balthier/Ada? Sonic/Sub-Zero?

Among casuals, I'm betting Frank West gets more support than Ada.

Sonic/Sub-Zero might do it, but I think PoP will get enough support to prevent that. It's the best I've heard so far though.

Question: to get points, we have to get both characters right, correct? For instance, if we have Yoshi first and Rikku second (not that I do) in the first fourpack, but it goes Yoshi/Knuckles, would we get a point for having Yoshi finish in the right place?

I'm...not sure. From what I can tell, you get one point for each character you choose that's in the top 2, plus another point if you have the character in the correct position. So, you'd get 2 points for Yoshi, and 0 for Rikku.
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furryjenny | Posted 8/15/2007 1:55:09 PM | message detail
For the first round of 32 polls, picking each one of the correct characters to move on from day's poll will score two points each for the correct order, and one point for the wrong order (i.e. picking the first place character to finish second or vice versa). For each successive round, picking the winners will earn double the points of the round before (Round 2: 4/2 points, Division Final: 8/4 points, Quarter-Finals: 16/8 points, Semi-final: 32/16 points, Final: 64/32 points). The sum of all points earned is your final score.

So: 4 pts for both in order, 2 pts for both out of order, 1 pt for one out of order.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 1:56:17 PM | message detail
Among casuals, I'm betting Frank West gets more support than Ada.

Uh, not with RE4Wii being recently released. And Separate Ways is actually on that one, revealing even more of Ada to the Nintendo fanbase.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 8/15/2007 1:56:19 PM | message detail
You get 2 points for each correct order in the first round, the score doubles in subsequent rounds as usual.

For example, let's say Link and Bidoof win their 4-pack in respective order.

4 Points
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1. Link
2. Bidoof

2 Points
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1. Link
2. Miles E

1. Miles E
2. Bidoof

0 Points
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1. Miles E
2. Agent J

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 1:56:24 PM | message detail
1.) Yoshi/Knuckles, who'll be below Mega Man?

Knuckles. It's my opinion that whatever Mega Man did to Yoshi in 2k5 will repeat itself again, and Yoshi's match against Snake was him taking away some of that Nintendo boost. We all see how Yoshi did in those Mario polls.

Which makes me wonder why Mega Man of all people managed to SFF him worse than Link.

2.) Midna/Scorpion, who'll be below Samus?

Frog

3.) Fox/Falcon, who'll be below Wario?

Fox > Wario

4.) Can Bomberman get second under Magus?

I see it being pretty likely. It's probably the best draw Bomberman could get, since he doesn't have any iconic characters against him to take the "Who the hell is Magus?" votes.

5.) For the love of God, will Bidoof actually get second under Link?

It's very possible considering the other choices.

6.) Can Simon beat Raiden?

Not likely

7.) HK-47/Lloyd, WHO WILL WIN!?

Jak for same reason as Bomberman

8.) Can Master Chief use the Halo 3 boost to actually beat Yuna to Ganondorf?

Who gets first between Chief and Yuna in the first round is debateable, but everything after that match occurs after Halo 3. We'll be seeing a juiced Master Chief this year.

9.) Will Ada get second past Frank West?

I can see it happening. Frank West has a popular game, but he doesn't seem like the kind of character that could draw from that

10.) L-Block v. Laharl...Epic.

L-block takes this based solely on the joke factor

11.) Kirby beating out DK = Lock?

Yes

12.) Will Duke Nukem actually make it below Sonic...?

Gordon > Duke

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 1:56:25 PM | message detail
Remember like Peach Wario isn't a fan favorite.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

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Haste_2 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:01:34 PM | message detail
Read the rules, guys. You can get 1 point if you get one character in the wrong order.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 2:01:48 PM | message detail
Mega Man vs. Diablo/KOS-MOS/Arthas- I have KOS-MOS simply because of Blizzard SFF splitting any Warcraft rallying

Mario vs. Big Boss/Pac-Man/Wander- I had Pac Man, but today I changed to Big Boss. My reasoning is Pac-Man's susceptability to "icon SFF".

Magus vs. Bomberman/Crash/Phoenix Wright- Bomberman because he's the most recognizable, and Crash hasn't been relevant since 1995

Link vs. Agent J/Bidoof/Edgeworth- Bidoof based solely on the fact that Nidoran F broke 20% on Samus. Although I can see Link taking 85%+ in this match

Zero vs. HK-47/Jak/Lloyd Irving- I have Jak because he's more recognizable than the other 2, but they all suck enough that its anyone's ballgame

Luigi vs. Mudkip/Pit/Tingle- Mudkip. Never underestimate the mindless drones at 4chan

Ganondorf vs. Ratchet/Thrall/Vergil- Warcraft rallying got me one upset, let's see if it can do it again in a much more favourable situation

Dante vs. Amaterasu/Little Mac/Matt- Matt is where my money is. He's basically the Wii representative of the contest

Kirby vs. L-Block/Laharl/Nathan Hale- L-block FTW!

Solid Snake vs. Nightmare/Vyse/Rayman- My money's on Nightmare, but Snake will likely break 80% in this one

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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 2:01:52 PM | message detail
It's the stats topic. Peach will never get any credibility here. I've given up on trying to argue for her in this topic. We're getting the same "nobody cares about Peach lolz!" argument that we had last year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/15/2007 2:03:49 PM | message detail
If Snake breaks 80% in that match, I'll be impressed. I don't think he'd break 80% on Vyse or Nightmare straight up. Rayman, maybe.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:05:50 PM | message detail
I just don't see Peach beating Meta Knight out. Sure she can take care of Jill barely, big whoop that is.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/15/2007 2:06:34 PM | message detail
Jill would beat Meta-Knight, no sweat.

...Can't wait to see the banner for this contest.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:07:10 PM | message detail
Meta Knight would have trouble with Tom Nook, let alone someone of Peach's caliber.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:07:37 PM | message detail
Huh, I had a vague wonder myself about whether Peach v. Meta is a lock or not, but Peach still has my vote.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:08:26 PM | message detail
Read the rules, guys. You can get 1 point if you get one character in the wrong order.

But can you get two points if you have one character in the right order? I'm thinking so, but it's not stated explicitly.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:08:30 PM | message detail
You guys are ****ing nuts. Assuming Kirby could DESTROY Jill at this point in his career, Meta Knight should be able to at least edge out Peach. If you don't think that's at least a possibility your crazy.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 8/15/2007 2:08:39 PM | message detail
Yeah, Peach I am giving the edge over Meta Knight though we won't know of Meta's true strength until the match actually happens.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:10:09 PM | message detail
Also, that Tom Nook comment is ridiculous. Tom Nook is COMPLETE fodder.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:10:14 PM | message detail
You guys are ****ing nuts. Assuming Kirby could DESTROY Jill at this point in his career, Meta Knight should be able to at least edge out Peach. If you don't think that's at least a possibility your crazy.

Kirby could do as well on Meta Knight as Peach did on Daisy. Meta Knight is going to be worth absolutely NOTHING in this contest. I don't know how anyone could believe otherwise, especially after Kirby's performance in the series contest.
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voltch | Posted 8/15/2007 2:10:54 PM | message detail
is nightmare above the vyse fodder line?
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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 2:11:01 PM | message detail
You guys are ****ing nuts. Assuming Kirby could DESTROY Jill at this point in his career, Meta Knight should be able to at least edge out Peach. If you don't think that's at least a possibility your crazy.

Are we back on this hero-villain ratio argument this year? WTF?
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:11:05 PM | message detail
I'll be voting for Meta-Knight in his match, but you're crazy if you think he breaks the fodder line before Brawl.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/15/2007 2:12:31 PM | message detail
We're getting the same "nobody cares about Peach lolz!" argument that we had last year.

I remember being the first one to argue AGAINST this, when everyone was like "lulz, who cares"

Granted, I was the most upset when she beat Jill, but heh... that's the way the contest goes....



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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:12:37 PM | message detail
Are we back on this hero-villain ratio argument this year? WTF?

No, I compare the Kirby/Meta-Knight relationship to MM/Zero. I know that's probably completely rash, but damnit it makes sense in my mind.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 2:13:13 PM | message detail
You guys all called Peach joke fodder last year. Just sayin'.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:13:41 PM | message detail
No, I compare the Kirby/Meta-Knight relationship to MM/Zero. I know that's probably completely rash, but damnit it makes sense in my mind.

No, it doesn't, because a huge amount of Kirby's strength comes from Smash Bros.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 2:13:46 PM | message detail
villain, sidekick, whatever. The point is that you're absolutely insane if you try to tag Kirby's popularity onto Metaknight.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 2:14:19 PM | message detail
You guys all called Peach joke fodder last year. Just sayin'.

Peach had the advantage in the Guru contest and the BOP, didn't she?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:14:25 PM | message detail
You guys all called Peach joke fodder last year. Just sayin'.

She's not joke fodder, but neither is Meta-Knight. Neither one of them will be beating Ryu Hayubusa anytime soon or anything, but I have faith that M Knight can edge her out. Simple as that.
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NominateSerge | Posted 8/15/2007 2:15:40 PM | message detail
...Peach beat Jill by the exact same margin that Hayabusa beat her, and you're saying Peach won't be beating him anytime soon?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:15:42 PM | message detail
villain, sidekick, whatever. The point is that you're absolutely insane if you try to tag Kirby's popularity onto Metaknight.

Wasn't Meta Knight one of the most requested people to be in SSBB? Cause I know I heard that somewhere.
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Osfan | Posted 8/15/2007 2:16:03 PM | message detail
I have to say one fo my biggest concerns is Ridley. Its just hard witgh a new game with him in it to imagine him not doing a helleva lot better this time around... but he did so horribly. Plus theres the brawl possibility for him. If he were to go places, him and dorf could really blow things for each other in the quarters. The problem is who knows where he will drop out. Tidus could do it round one but Tidus is as reliable as no one at all... Leon maybe round 2 if him and Ada dont kill each other... Right now I have him and Dorf killing each other with Dante and Yuna moving on to the quarters and it looks crazy even to me. I just cant wrap my mind around Ridley being that bad and then with that round its hard to imagine him or Dorf pulling a major SFF with Yuna getting the Square and Dante has his loyalists. So yeah where does everyone think the Ridley boost will stop or is this bracket just a complete crapshoot...
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/15/2007 2:16:33 PM | message detail
Easy choices for me:

Mega Man vs. Diablo/KOS-MOS/Arthas...Blizzard characters SFF each other, and I guarantee KOS-MOS does relatively better than Diablo in a mult-option poll.

Mario vs. Big Boss/Pac-Man/Wander - most of you know why by now.

Moderately tough choices for me:

Link vs. Agent J/Bidoof/Edgeworth- Edgeworth might have a slight shot, maybe... I will cry with joy if Edgeworth beats Bidoof.

Zero vs. HK-47/Jak/Lloyd Irving - I think Jak has a distinct enough fanbase from Zero's to rely on his own strength, which is clearly better than Lloyd's or HK47's.

Kirby vs. L-Block/Laharl/Nathan Hale- I don't see why L-Block won't pull out second place... he's gonna be the ultimate joke vote drawer of the contest, I think.

Toss-ups:

Magus vs. Bomberman/Crash/Phoenix Wright - I really wouldn't be surprised to see Phoenix pull out in second place, honestly, as he'll surely get some benefit in a multi-option thing, and Bomberman and Crash could split the casual votes.

Luigi vs.Mudkip/Pit/Tingle - I'm, skeptical Mudkip will get enough joke votes to pull it off, but Tingle is a joke, and so will Pit when Luigi is stealing his SSBB votes.

Ganondorf vs. Ratchet/Thrall/Vergil- either Thrall or Vergil, but I have no idea.

Dante vs. Amaterasu/Little Mac/Matt- it really depends on if "Wii Sports" gets included by his name in the poll, I think. I'm worried here.

Solid Snake vs. Nightmare/Vyse/Rayman- Nightmare has more than a shot, of course, especially if Vyse has dropped in popularity... but Vyse is the only guy to get the RPG votes and has dilligent voters (which I think will have a noticeable effect, due to Solid Snake taking the majority of the votes), so I get the feeling he'll get the win.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/15/2007 2:16:54 PM | message detail
...Peach beat Jill by the exact same margin that Hayabusa beat her, and you're saying Peach won't be beating him anytime soon?

Ryu H is just a little bit stronger than both of them, that's all I was trying to get across.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/15/2007 2:17:01 PM | message detail
Oh for christ sake..

Are people calling Peach Fodder AGIAN?
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