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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 7:22:33 PM | message detail
In fact Jak was the strongest of the platforming characters. He even ranked above Conker. And then that's not including any possible SFF that Auron may have suffered against Sephiroth (Ness and Scorpion are both underrated). I still don't see why Jak isn't even entering the discussion...
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JaKyL25 | Posted 8/15/2007 7:22:48 PM | message detail
Mario is in that match. Pac-Man has no chance in hell of getting second place.

Yeah, that's kind of what I said in Point One, except I was trying to give a reasoning besides Contest History (not that you were, but others have).
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swirIdude | Posted 8/15/2007 7:23:56 PM | message detail
It seems like Jak is being left out because RPGs tend to have the more hardcore fanbases, which a 4 man battle helps. And that's true. But Jak definitely needs to be discussed.
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JaKyL25 | Posted 8/15/2007 7:24:37 PM | message detail
Argh, I was already going to go to bed fretting over Alucard/Ness/Zidane/Liquid.

Alucard > Liquid, but any combination not involving Zidane wouldn't shock me.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 8/15/2007 7:24:43 PM | message detail
I'm still going to take Pac-Man as my second place character, there. Upset pick/gut pick.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 7:24:47 PM | message detail
I've got Jak getting second place in that match, because he's underrated by Auron's being SFFd by Sephiroth. If I remember correctly, Jak and HK are something like 1.5% apart in the 2004 stats. When in doubt, I go with whoever is more likely to be underrated. Worked for me in picking Yoshi > Dante and Vincent > Ganon last year.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:25:19 PM | message detail
Jak did get beaten by Ness pre-Nintendo boost, though.

Hmm, 2003 Isaac beats 2002 Pikachu 60-40. Does Isaac have a shot here, or has Golden Sun become too old to compete? (I'm thinking too old, but Pikachu is fun to hate, and who knows what Serge does).

Don't forget Isaac got SFF'd there. That keeps him from wearing out a little.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/15/2007 7:26:23 PM | message detail
Luigi and Yoshi absolutely demolished Pac-Man. Just imagine for a second what Mario is going to do to him. Pac could seriously get a better percentage on Link than Mario.

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trannyscience | Posted 8/15/2007 7:27:39 PM | message detail
yeah, but how many people are going to go Mario > Pac-Man > Luigi? not that many. Mario's not going to get 90% on Pac-Man or anything.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:27:41 PM | message detail
Tifa SFF'd Vyse more than Cloud. Things don't always go the way you think they will with SFF.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 8/15/2007 7:28:24 PM | message detail
I think the 4-pack is going to change that a bit, Ulti.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:29:01 PM | message detail
I really doubt Big Boss gets a MGS3 picture. The old man is Big Boss, the young guy is Naked Snake, at least in the eyes of the fans.

It'd be nice if he could get a picture from Portable Ops. That one is decidedly "Big Boss," just younger.

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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 7:29:06 PM | message detail
Jak did get beaten by Ness pre-Nintendo boost, though.

And? pre-Nintendo boost Ness did just as well as Tails and Scorpion against Auron. In fact, we don't have any data on Ness post-Nintendo boost due to being demolished by Mario in 2k5. I don't see where your point comes in...
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:29:11 PM | message detail
There's absolutely no way of knowing if Isaac got SFF'd or not. That's an absolute guess.

Speaking of absolute guesses, I was trying to determine percentages for my personal analyses, and I've just realized how hard this is going to be.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/15/2007 7:29:11 PM | message detail
This Isaac upset is looking more and more appealing, but it just doesn't feel right to go with a guy who hasn't been relevant in years.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 7:30:31 PM | message detail
I don't think Jak is the kind of character with staying power on this site. It's why I picked Lloyd over him. HK worries me though.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:30:31 PM | message detail
It'd be nice if he could get a picture from Portable Ops. That one is decidedly "Big Boss," just younger.

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What an odd looking bulge he has...
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:30:44 PM | message detail
yeah, but how many people are going to go Mario > Pac-Man > Luigi? not that many.

Ehh, I've never really bought that way of thinking. Mario is much more popular for a reason, and there were apparently plenty of people who go Yoshi > Pac-Man > Luigi.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:31:49 PM | message detail
With regard to HK-47, it might be worth noting that he's had KotOR 2 since we last saw him.
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:32:15 PM | message detail
And Jak has had Jak 3 AND Jak X: COMBAT RACING (!!!!) since we last saw him!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:32:45 PM | message detail
Ehh, I've never really bought that way of thinking. Mario is much more popular for a reason, and there were apparently plenty of people who go Yoshi > Pac-Man > Luigi.

But none who go Cloud > Vyse > Tifa. Which is...odd.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:33:08 PM | message detail
HK-47 is what it's about for that fourpack!

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Master Moltar | Posted 8/15/2007 7:33:18 PM | message detail
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:35:03 PM | message detail
Well, there are some. Not as many, but...some.

Taking Pac-Man's results straight up against both, Yoshi beats Luigi with 57.90%.

Taking Vyse's results straight up against both, Cloud beats Tifa with 57.61%.

Huh, closer than I thought.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:37:41 PM | message detail
Just thought I'd mention it. I wouldn't expect it to do much for him, since his role's exactly the same as the first game and it didn't sell nearly as well.

Jak 3 didn't sell nearly as well as the others either.
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:38:55 PM | message detail
Jak 3 was still a million seller though, wasn't it?

HM, you got any numbers on the Jak series?
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therealmnm | Posted 8/15/2007 7:39:04 PM | message detail
Jak 3 didn't sell nearly as well as the others either.

Eh, they were all million sellers on the PS2... It wasn't that big of a disparity.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:39:27 PM | message detail
Jak 3 sold close to exactly a million copies.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 7:40:39 PM | message detail
I'm taking Jak over HK-47 and Lloyd. Jak did better against Ness than CJ (ignoring the potential Nintendo Boost in 2k5) and he's had two games since 2k4. He's also the name-sake of his series and it's not like Zero is a Noble Niner -- it's not going to rely on the most hardcore fans duking it out against one-another.

I figure Lloyd's taking last place in that one, though HK-47 could steal second if Jak's not careful.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:42:26 PM | message detail
Jak II sold 1.3 million copies; Jak III sold 1.2 million copies. Both in America. Don't have Jak and Daxter's numbers on hand.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:43:31 PM | message detail
Hmm, what source is that from?

I got ~2 million for J&D, ~1.5 million for Jak 2, and ~1 million for Jak 1.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:44:07 PM | message detail
NPD.

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JaKyL25 | Posted 8/15/2007 7:46:46 PM | message detail
I got ~2 million for J&D, ~1.5 million for Jak 2, and ~1 million for Jak 1.

J&D is Jak 1.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:48:42 PM | message detail
Er...Jak 3.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/15/2007 7:51:48 PM | message detail
Issac doesn't have a chance in hell against Pikachu, and I'm probably underrating the rat more than anyone. Pikachu's 2k2 value is from an underrated Cloud, and I certainly think Pokemon hate has died down from the furor that it had in 2k2.
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MajinZidane | Posted 8/15/2007 7:52:31 PM | message detail
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:53:06 PM | message detail
I definitely believe Pokemon hate has died down since then, but I don't think Pikachu hate has died down quite as much.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:54:21 PM | message detail
Agree with Leonhart on that one.

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trannyscience | Posted 8/15/2007 7:55:38 PM | message detail
Pikachu anti-votes? both of you are firmly aboard the MC bandwagon because of the format. the same holds true for Pikachu.
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redrocket | Posted 8/15/2007 7:56:25 PM | message detail
I have Serge taking second there anyway...
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ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/15/2007 7:56:37 PM | message detail
The difference is that Master Chief actually has fans, not just anti-voters.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:57:02 PM | message detail
Question -- who likes Pikachu?

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/15/2007 7:57:14 PM | message detail
aww yeah serge
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trannyscience | Posted 8/15/2007 7:57:24 PM | message detail
a bunch of people, I bet. :)

people voted for Nidoran F.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/15/2007 7:57:29 PM | message detail
Yeah, Issac is just going to have to have more people just plain *like* him if he wants to move on. Having trouble seeing that happen with all the Pokemon fanbase left with only one recourse. I could see Pika take first in that fourpack with ease, depending.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 7:58:05 PM | message detail
Am I alone in thinking that Serge does absolutely terrible in this thing?

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THEVinceYoung | Posted 8/15/2007 7:58:09 PM | message detail
Ewww, if Pikachu beats out Tidus, I'll puke.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/15/2007 7:58:38 PM | message detail
yeah, beating Tidus is pushing it. this is like the "oh god who do i not vote for" fourpack.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/15/2007 7:58:38 PM | message detail
you heard it here, Pika > Tidus
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 7:58:39 PM | message detail
If Pikachu so much as advances, GameFAQs needs to quit.

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