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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 3:04:41 PM | message detail
wait.... Leon's back?

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KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 8/10/2007 3:09:42 PM | message detail
What can I say? I got bored. The internet is a boring place without GameFAQs. Don't expect me to be here ALL the time anymore though...

And yes, Akuma/Fenix is much better!

Also, I don't understand all of the Fox/Vivi discussion from the original bracket. I still don't think DK beats Vivi nowadays, and I still don't buy the Fox > DK hype that's been going around (at least indirectly). Sure, there's the Nintendo Boost and all (as well as a potential Square decline, I guess...), but I think that's anywhere near enough for Fox. Honestly, if Vivi won with 55%+, I wouldn't be shocked. He might not be as strong as we once thought he could have been, but he's higher on the midtier chain than lower, and I think Fox is lower than higher.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 3:12:53 PM | message detail
that was mostly a trap match, and a few people took it. it's not that crazy of a pick, I guess. I think people are scared to pick against Nintendo. I'd take Vivi for sure though.

on the subject of DK vs. Vivi, assume MC 2k5 = MC 2k6:

Master Chief (2006c) VS Vivi (2005c)

Master Chief has a strength of 27.47.
Vivi has a strength of 27.26.

Master Chief wins with 50.38% of the vote!
A win of 891 with 116,571 total votes cast.

they're dead even.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 3:13:27 PM | message detail
oh, and what did you actually LIKE in the bracket? :)
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KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 8/10/2007 3:14:12 PM | message detail
I still say MC's too wonky to trust. Besides, DK would still choke if it was anywhere near close.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 3:15:19 PM | message detail
the only way I trust a MC number is if he loses to a guy that he's equal with -- like Sub-Zero. there's no possibility of an overperformance there. maybe an underperformance? if anything, that makes DK look better. eh.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 8/10/2007 3:16:29 PM | message detail
Ulti, this is mudah (watch the last one):

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/mudah
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 3:19:48 PM | message detail
I find Fox's floor to be Ness (which I'd put around 23%) and Vivi may have dropped a little since 2005 due to the PSX generation slowly leaving.
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KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 8/10/2007 3:21:18 PM | message detail
Oh, the Alucard/Midna/Tidus/Balthier four-pack is great, just in the wrong location. Leon/Kirby is a great second round match. Vincent/Zelda is a tricky second round pairing, though I no longer see Bowser/Ganondorf as a dream match anymore (though we've seen rSFF from Mario before...). Luigi/Magus is a tough draw, so is Ashe/Seifer. Sephiroth/Samus is a good set-up.

Riku/DK seems like a tricky matchup at first, though I don't think it's as close as it appears. Mewtwo/Raiden is good, of course. The Shadow/Zero/Kratos/Yuna four-pack is deadly as well. Kefka/Gordon has the potential to be good. The Auron/Yoshi/Sora pairing is very good (though Vercetti just needs to get outta there, even if he is just being used as fodder). Knuckles/Ryu is a tough match, as is Tifa/Dante.

As for the revised bracket...

Hayabusa/Toad has the potential to be good. I don't know if putting Fox against Riku is any better than against Vivi. I think Riku/Vivi would be a fantastic match, personally. I can't see Fox (or DK, for that matter) getting 45% on Yoshi before SFF. I think I like Raiden/Mewtwo better than Raiden/DK. I think the big ape is probably a bit over Raiden's head (...for now). Also, I can't see Mewtwo beating Vivi at all.
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KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 8/10/2007 3:22:51 PM | message detail
...Why is the PSX generation "leaving?" Because ownership is lower? I don't own a PSX anymore. I don't recall if the poll asked if you've ever owned one or not, but if it did, then just disregard this post.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 3:29:36 PM | message detail
I no longer see Bowser/Ganondorf as a dream match anymore (though we've seen rSFF from Mario before...)

I was talking about this with Mario yesterday. a couple of years ago, that was *the* match and at least half of the stats topic said "screw the stats, Bowser takes that." now that Bowser looks a little weaker, he suddenly can't win that? that's not a match that you look to stats to answer. that's just as debatable as ever... though there's really nothing to actually say since it just depends on where you think the fans will put their loyalties.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 3:35:28 PM | message detail
yes, I checked both of the polls.

the later one says "have you owned" and the 05 one says "do you still own."

however, in the earlier poll, it has only one option in which you've never owned one, so 76% of the site have at least owned one in late 2005.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2189

then, this poll asks if you've ever owned any of the Sony consoles. only 67% of them at least owned a PS1.

so there's still a drop off.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 3:50:37 PM | message detail
Oh man... Leon being back to the stats topic is like if my wang got chopped off and I lost it and then found it in the woods and I got it reattached.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 4:14:52 PM | message detail
any thoughts on when nominations close? I'm getting impatient.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:15:33 PM | message detail
I'm really feeling tonight or tomorrow.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:16:02 PM | message detail
I still think Bowser/Ganondorf is a good match, but it's also one of those that could potentially be boring if the fanbase sides heavily either way. To say Bowser held up better against Mario than Ganon did to Link doesn't say much considering the obvious, but, you know, he still did. Is that relevant though? I dunno, but to me it suggests that Bowser's fanbase is less likely to desert him. I would vote Bowser over Ganon, so, hurray for anecdotal evidence. He just seems more established than Ganon in my head, for whatever silly reasons.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:17:51 PM | message detail
Well I think almost everyone would agree that Ganon/Bowser would end up being a pretty terrible match (at least I do), all the fun would come from before the match. Give me Ganon in the match though, he's too far ahead of Bowser for my liking, but I wouldn't call anyone crazy if they were to take the Kang of Koopa.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 4:18:43 PM | message detail
I'm leaning towards Ganondorf but I'd really like to see something like Link/Bowser or Mario/Ganondorf.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:19:14 PM | message detail
What about Zelda/Bowser?

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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 4:19:28 PM | message detail
eh, 55/45 to Crono isn't that much worse than 52/48 to Vincent. most stats probably put Bowser 2% behind Ganon -- that's far from being out of someone's league by my definition.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:21:08 PM | message detail
i never said out of his league, i said for my liking!

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swirIdude | Posted 8/10/2007 4:23:41 PM | message detail
EC has his own kind of liking!
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:26:02 PM | message detail
I'd probably take Zelda > Bowser too... I feel like Bowser should win the match, but her damn name keeps me from taking him to do so. I just hope its not in the bracket, there's plenty of other controversial matches that I actually feel confident about!

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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 4:28:01 PM | message detail
yeah, I feel pretty awful about the Zelda/Bowser/Ganon trio, just like I feel awful about the Squall/Tifa/Vincent gang. you can throw Auron in there too if you feel he belongs. everything else seems pretty easy, but I don't like evaluating those guys against each other.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:29:20 PM | message detail
Vincent > Squall > Auron > Tifa, yo.

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wavedash101 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:29:39 PM | message detail
Squall/Bowser or Zelda/Tifa?

I wanna get opinions on matches that are likely to break brackets
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:30:24 PM | message detail
Zelda/Tifa is a lot harder of a match for me. Give me Squall > Bowser any day of the week.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/10/2007 4:31:13 PM | message detail
I'd have to go for Square in both instances.
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Warsola | Posted 8/10/2007 4:31:46 PM | message detail
I'd take Zelda over Tifa in a heartbeat. Tifa can't be THAT much stronger than Aeris.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 4:32:12 PM | message detail
well, I could see a A > B > C > A forming out of that group no problem. Zelda > Ganondorf > Bowser > Zelda? certainly possible. Tifa > Vincent > Squall > Tifa? sure, that's possible too.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:34:13 PM | message detail
Why Tifa, swirl? I'm just wondering what your reasoning is...I'm unsure myself

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:34:27 PM | message detail
Tifa IS that much stronger than Aeris, put her in a direct match-up and I think she pummels her ass into submission.

I see A > B > C > A, forming moreso among the Nintendo group... I feel pretty confident about the FF crew.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/10/2007 4:35:15 PM | message detail
Though I will say, if one were to throw everything off it would be Tifa > Vincent, but I just don't see it happening.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 4:36:37 PM | message detail
I put Tifa around 35% BL myself and would have taken her over Zelda last year. this year, I think Zelda wins with TP.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:37:50 PM | message detail
Zelda also has an active role in PH as well I think...and the impressions for that game are glowing
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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 4:39:12 PM | message detail
I have a hard time giving Tifa much respect when I look at what happened to Aeris last year. that still baffles me. I can't see those two being all that different in trends.. so if you think Tifa's always been that much stronger than Aeris and she took Aeris's spot in 2003, we'd have no concept of a Noble Nine. none. I have a hard time believing that Tifa could reverse a 57/43 beatdown.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/10/2007 4:39:37 PM | message detail
I just think Tifa is FF7's third right now, though she may be tied for it with Vincent, I don't know how the Square fanbase works. But she's always seemed to be a strong force, and Zelda, I just don't see Zelda being important enough to get the support necessary to stop Tifa.

Also, I know it was Zero Suit Samus, but Tifa still nearly knocked Samus off. That has to count for something.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:40:40 PM | message detail
So TP, PH, and SSBB working for Zelda...I think I'd go with her now
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Warsola | Posted 8/10/2007 4:41:30 PM | message detail
Just like how Master Chief nearly knocked off Frog, who nearly knocked off Snake? >___>
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 4:41:37 PM | message detail
Vincent and Tifa are in two different leagues if you ask me.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/10/2007 4:42:17 PM | message detail
Wasnt that sprite Snake too?

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swirIdude | Posted 8/10/2007 4:43:30 PM | message detail
Solid "Meltman" Snake nearly lost to Frog, but haven't we decided there was something crazy going on in that series of matches?
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Warsola | Posted 8/10/2007 4:43:44 PM | message detail
Sprite Snake put big numbers on Yoshi.
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Warsola | Posted 8/10/2007 4:44:48 PM | message detail
I'm just saying that characters who get their first REALLY bad match pic tend to underperform.
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ZFS | Posted 8/10/2007 4:53:38 PM | message detail
Hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa -- is Leon here? aww yeah!

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Haste_2 | Posted 8/10/2007 5:22:04 PM | message detail
Seeing that Zelda resisted SFF against Mega Man while Yoshi did not, I feel pretty good saying Bowser would not rSFF Zelda (and Bowser's definitely not stronger). I would say the same thing about Ganondorf as Zelda, except I've lost a little confidence in him since he did worse than Zelda against Samus. I would still take Ganondorf over Bowser pretty confidently, though.

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trannyscience | Posted 8/10/2007 5:23:42 PM | message detail
I think it's the other way around, actually.. Zelda would be the one doing the "rSFFing". Bowser was always thought of as being above Zelda until 2006, where the female bracket and Samus-Nintendo matches are in the way of gauging Zelda properly.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/10/2007 5:25:15 PM | message detail
I've totally missed out on a good 50 or so posts so I'm just gonna do what I always do in those topics and say HEY DANTE'S NOT LOSING TO KRATOS LOLZ
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/10/2007 5:26:00 PM | message detail
I just can't see Zelda being less popular than Bowser anymore... in SC2K3 she was just barely behind Bowser, and Zelda 2K5 is above Bowser 2K6.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2007 5:49:17 PM | message detail
I've lost a little confidence in him since he did worse than Zelda against Samus.

damn, I forgot Zelda did better on Samus for whatever reason. though, they still may take Ganondorf differently.
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