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transience | Posted 8/7/2007 11:05:45 AM | message detail
I think we had this discussion right after the 2k6 contest ended, and the consensus was Sora. I was for Yoshi (and Luigi).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/7/2007 11:09:01 AM | message detail
I guess I take Sora if I already take Auron over Yoshi.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/7/2007 11:17:16 AM | message detail
Yoshi/Sora could be a Shadow/Mario scenario, though. If you're not going to vote for Riku against Yoshi, are you really going to vote for Sora against him? That's weak/flawed, but, the other thing is that Yoshi still beat him 55/44. It's certainly not a beatdown, but, by the same token, it's also not something likely to change, especially considering that a KH2 boost will have died by now and that Yoshi of the three has the only reasons to go up some. (Brawl, general Nintendo increase, DS, Yoshi's Island Ds). I bet Yoshi could squeeze through in a good match.
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 8/7/2007 11:19:20 AM | message detail
Yoshi still beat him 55/44

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_Harmonica_ | Posted 8/7/2007 11:24:13 AM | message detail
Well, Sora has been stronger than Riku in contests (although Riku has also been screwed by the seeding). I'm not saying that Sora would beat Yoshi easily, and I would be slightly worried about that pick.
For what it's worth, a new KH title will be announced at TGS (September 20th - 24th), which might help Sora a bit.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/7/2007 11:26:26 AM | message detail
Yoshi/Sora could be a Shadow/Mario scenario, though. If you're not going to vote for Riku against Yoshi, are you really going to vote for Sora against him?

Uh yeah? Sora and Riku aren't joined at the hip (at least as far as popularity goes! <_<;) The same theory has been brought up constantly. Mario/Luigi. Ken/Ryu. Sora has plenty reason for someone to like him and not Riku. Hell, it's not like Riku had a strong presence in KH2. I'm willing to bet that KH2 won Sora a lot of fans who wouldn't necessarily vote for Riku in the same fashion.
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_Harmonica_ | Posted 8/7/2007 11:28:48 AM | message detail
Riku was in KH2!??

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/7/2007 11:31:34 AM | message detail
and do you really think the KH boost dies over a year?
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GTM | Posted 8/7/2007 11:45:04 AM | message detail
Ike doesn't get the support he's getting for this years contest if he isn't announced for SSBB days before nominations go up.

Day of. >_>
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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/7/2007 11:55:26 AM | message detail
No time reply back with full commentary like I usually like to do, so I'll just say that that is seriously the best Link/Cloud bracket I have ever seen. I wasn't feeling entirely hyped for another Character battle a minute ago, but after seeing all those possibilities, you can consider me fully committed. Kudos to you tranny, you've just earned my first-ever A+.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/7/2007 12:11:25 PM | message detail
I'm willing to bet that KH2 won Sora a lot of fans who wouldn't necessarily vote for Riku in the same fashion.

Yeah, probably, I felt it was still worth mentioning, though.

and do you really think the KH boost dies over a year?

Well, do you really think it will still be as strong? The immediate months after a new game comes out must be the best time for its characters to shine. With Nintendo consistently on the rise, ds popularity, and Yoshi's Island, I'd say he at least gets the intangibles in the match. I also do agree though that Yoshi/Sora first might be better, even though both of those characters really deserve to make the second round.
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transience | Posted 8/7/2007 12:22:09 PM | message detail
I don't think it's an A+. some improvements can be made. when I get some more free time, I might try tinkering with it.

appreciate the compliements, though.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/7/2007 12:33:11 PM | message detail
hey tranny the only thing I've seen suck worse than your bracket is your mother

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/7/2007 12:33:43 PM | message detail
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/7/2007 12:34:01 PM | message detail
hey ec the only thing i've seen suck worse than tranny's mama is your sister
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/7/2007 12:37:02 PM | message detail
hey hiko the only thing i've seen suck worse than my sister is your ability to accurately judge characters strengths and how they would fare in a contest

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/7/2007 12:39:46 PM | message detail
hey ec YOUR A SMELLY WHORE
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/7/2007 12:40:21 PM | message detail
*you're

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/7/2007 12:45:44 PM | message detail
If I hear another person gimme that Your/You're spilt I'm gonna **** somebody up >_> I DON'T GIVE A DAMN
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2007 12:45:57 PM | message detail
Using the Nomination Tally here is what the bracket would look like.

Division 1

1) Mewtwo (Pokemon)
8) Jigglypuff (Pokemon)

4) Kirby (Kirby)
5) Ness (Earthbound)

3) Meta Knight (Kirby)
6) Auron (Final Fantasy X)

2) Magus (Chrono Trigger)
7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)

Division 2

1) Fox McCloud (Star Fox)
8) Diablo (Diablo)

4) KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
5) Nana (Ice Climbers)

3) Vivi (Final Fantasy IX)
6) Revolver Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid)

2) Midna (LoZ: Twilight Princess)
7) Dante (Devil May Cry)

Division 3

1) Wario (Mario)
8) Ridley (Metroid)

4) Jade Curtiss (Tales of the Abyss)
5) Zero (Mega Man X)

3) Alucard (Castlevania)
6) Miles “Tails” Prower (Sonic)

2) Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
7) Serge (Chrono Cross)

Division 4

1) Knuckles the Echidna (Sonic)
8) Miles Edgeworth (Phoenix Wright)

4) Akuma (Street Fighter)
5) Bowser (Mario)

3) Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V)
6) Kefka (Final Fantasy VI)

2) Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII)
7) Pit (Kid Icarus)

Division 5

1) Phoenix Wright (Phoenix Wright)
8) Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)

4) Klonoa (Klonoa)
5) Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)

3) Banjo (Banjo-Kazooie)
6) Pikachu (Pokemon)

2) CATS (Zero Wing)
7) Mega Man (Mega Man)

Division 6

1) Ike (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
8) Kratos (God of War)

4) Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)
5) Gordon Freeman (Half-Life)

3) Lyndis (Fire Emblem 7)
6) Yoshi (Mario)

2) Balthier (Final Fantasy XII)
7) Riku (Kingdom Hearts)

Division 7

1) Matt (Wii Sports)
8) Wander (Shadow of the Colossus)

4) Amaterasu (Okami)
5) Squall Leonhart (Final Fantasy VIII)

3) Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
6) Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy VII)

2) Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
7) Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)

Division 8

1) Bidoof (Pokemon)
8) Ganondorf (The Legend of Zelda)

4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
5) Luigi (Mario)

3) Midgar Zolom (Final Fantasy VII)
6) Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic)

2) Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2)
7) Toad (Mario)

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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 8/7/2007 12:49:20 PM | message detail
1) Wario (Mario)
8) Ridley (Metroid)

EPIC.

Seriously, if that match ever happened, GameFAQs contests could end forever and I wouldn't mind!
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jonthomson | Posted 8/7/2007 12:49:47 PM | message detail
1) Mewtwo (Pokemon)
8) Jigglypuff (Pokemon)


8 > 1 am i rite?
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/7/2007 1:03:49 PM | message detail
2) Magus (Chrono Trigger)
7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)

Thank God that Board 8 isn't the only place to determine the noms and seeding, then.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/7/2007 1:33:32 PM | message detail
Division 1

1) Mewtwo (Pokemon)

4) Kirby (Kirby)

6) Auron (Final Fantasy X)

7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)

Division 2

8) Diablo (Diablo)

4) KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)

6) Revolver Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid) >_>

7) Dante (Devil May Cry)

Division 3

1) Wario (Mario)

5) Zero (Mega Man X)

3) Alucard (Castlevania)

2) Nightmare (Soul Calibur)

Division 4

1) Knuckles the Echidna (Sonic)

5) Bowser (Mario)

6) Kefka (Final Fantasy VI)

2) Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII)

Division 5

1) Phoenix Wright (Phoenix Wright) <_<

5) Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)

6) Pikachu (Pokemon)

7) Mega Man (Mega Man)

Division 6

8) Kratos (God of War)

5) Gordon Freeman (Half-Life)

6) Yoshi (Mario)

2) Balthier (Final Fantasy XII)

Division 7

1) Matt (Wii Sports)

5) Squall Leonhart (Final Fantasy VIII)

6) Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy VII)

2) Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong Country)

Division 8

8) Ganondorf (The Legend of Zelda)

4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)

6) Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic)

2) Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2)

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Division 1

4) Kirby (Kirby)
7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)

Division 2

4) KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
7) Dante (Devil May Cry)

Division 3

5) Zero (Mega Man X)
3) Alucard (Castlevania)

Division 4

5) Bowser (Mario)
2) Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII)

Division 5

5) Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
7) Mega Man (Mega Man)

Division 6

8) Kratos (God of War)
6) Yoshi (Mario)

Division 7

5) Squall Leonhart (Final Fantasy VIII)
6) Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy VII)

Division 8

4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
2) Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) hmm

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7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)
7) Dante (Devil May Cry)

5) Zero (Mega Man X)
5) Bowser (Mario)

7) Mega Man (Mega Man)
8) Kratos (God of War)

6) Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy VII)
4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)

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7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)
5) Bowser (Mario)

7) Mega Man (Mega Man)
4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)

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7) Crono (Chrono Trigger)
4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/7/2007 1:52:22 PM | message detail
Diablo over Fox? whoa..
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 1:55:38 PM | message detail
lol Diablo
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2007 1:56:36 PM | message detail
When I made a division afew months ago, Diablo > DK wasn't too uncommon of a pick. Most people would take DK > Fox too, so...not surprised. I wouldn't take that upset, but it's not surprising and it would be close.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 1:57:35 PM | message detail
I doubt Fox will be as weak as DK >_>

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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/7/2007 2:00:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's one of those matches that's like..."OK, it's fairly close so I'll go with the underdog".
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/7/2007 2:00:44 PM | message detail
meh, I think Fox is somewhere between Kirby and Donkey Kong. I'd barely take Diablo over Donkey Kong as it is.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/7/2007 2:00:54 PM | message detail
Fox has always been weaker than DK. the question is if Fox has increased since 2004 or whenever he was last in the bracket.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/7/2007 2:04:09 PM | message detail
well I guess it makes sense then if you think Fox is that much below DK.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 2:04:28 PM | message detail
DK needs Jungle Beat II so he can storm the bracket...
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2007 2:05:03 PM | message detail
Why would Fox be as strong as DK? DKC is easily the most popular game between the two characters, and even DK64 is bigger than any of Fox's games. And when they were both in contests together, DK did look better. Fox's performance against Pikachu looked pretty uninspired, while DK almost took out Vercetti.

And DK 2K3 crushes Fox 2K2 in the stats.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/7/2007 2:06:15 PM | message detail
well, Fox's problem is that he faced Cloud in 2002 (Mario/Cloud) and Link in 2003 (obvious). DK isn't very accurate either, given that he's behind Master Chief in 2005 and was nowhere to be found in 2006.

so basically, you can throw stats out and just take a guess. I'd probably pick Fox just due to SSB favouritism, but DK could very easily win. I'd expect a big DK win before I would a big Fox win.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/7/2007 2:06:27 PM | message detail
Diablo => Fox > DK far as I'm concerned.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 2:09:29 PM | message detail
SF 64 is way more popular than any none DKC game...it might even be a better seller than DKC 3...plus DK only stars in the first DKC and needs to be rescued in 2, the best one...

And everyone knows Jungle Beat is DK's finest game

I'd also take SF 64 among the gaming crowd over any DK game not called DKC 2

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trannyscience | Posted 8/7/2007 2:10:14 PM | message detail
DKC1 would be stronger than DKC2.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 2:11:51 PM | message detail
I doubt that...DKC II is far and way considered the best one...

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2007 2:16:57 PM | message detail
DKC >= SF64 > the rest of their series' games


Even then, I might take SF64 > DKC -- it did make it to the Virtual Console, afterall. No idea how well it sold, but SF64 was a big seller for the N64 in a time of need, it inspired the Rumble Paks, and it stomped the hell out of DK64 as far as favoritism goes from what I've seen. Fox is also more favored in the SSB series than DK...

...I wouldn't want to see a Fox/DK match. Gut says DK, brain says Fox...and neither's ever been too reliable for me!
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 2:18:13 PM | message detail
Midna vs Balthier...who wins?

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2007 2:18:58 PM | message detail
Well, yeah, SF64 would beat most DK games here, but I could see it losing to either of the first two DKCs. And all of Fox's other games would be very unimpressive, unlike DK's support, which is actually decent.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 2:20:34 PM | message detail
IDK, SF if I recall, did pretty well on the SNES

SFA sold well too, but that polarized the fanbase more than anything
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2007 2:21:27 PM | message detail
Midna beats Balthier.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2630

Not by that margin, obviously, but it's a big gap for Balthier to bridge, especially since he's not FFXII's main character (note: I'm not saying he's weak, just that he'd be stronger if he were the main).
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/7/2007 2:23:02 PM | message detail
Maybe...when does FFXII RW release...since he plays a big role in that, and the game is supose to be pretty damn good for SE's first RTS attempt
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therealmnm | Posted 8/7/2007 2:23:56 PM | message detail
Fox has always been weaker than DK. the question is if Fox has increased since 2004 or whenever he was last in the bracket.

Huh? The only real read we have on Fox is in 2k2 and if you're using his one matchup against Cloud that year to base on whether he's more popular than DK... ummm yeah. Definitely don't agree with that. We don't really HAVE a read on Fox.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/7/2007 2:26:38 PM | message detail
Why would Fox be as strong as DK? DKC is easily the most popular game between the two characters, and even DK64 is bigger than any of Fox's games. And when they were both in contests together, DK did look better. Fox's performance against Pikachu looked pretty uninspired, while DK almost took out Vercetti.

I know I'm jumping in late but Star Fox 64 would crush DKC. Saying that DK64 is bigger than Star Fox 64 is madness. Unless you're talking about the actual content of the game that is! DK64 levels WERE big. TOO big! :)
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2007 2:29:13 PM | message detail
Well, I'm talking about mainstream popularity. DK64 was hugely popular in America, twice as popular as SF64.

Huh? The only real read we have on Fox is in 2k2 and if you're using his one matchup against Cloud that year to base on whether he's more popular than DK... ummm yeah. Definitely don't agree with that. We don't really HAVE a read on Fox.

Well, assuming that Cloud 2k2 is as strong as Link 2k3, Fox is as strong as DK. If Cloud 2k2 is at all weaker than Link 2k3, DK beats Fox.

I don't think Cloud 2k2 would stand much of a chance against Link 2k3, personally. Would go the same way as Link vs. Sephiroth.
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_Harmonica_ | Posted 8/7/2007 2:29:54 PM | message detail
I think Midna would beat Balthier. Currently on GameFAQs Zelda > FF, and XII isn't exactly the most liked FF game.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/7/2007 2:32:02 PM | message detail
And to go for the triple post, I don't think we should be looking at individual games to determine who is more popular. Both characters have become Nintendo staples and their popularity stems from being a general video game name by now. I think how much each character is liked as a character comes into play more when dealing with who is stronger... especially in a direct matchup.

I mean if you want to put it that way, look at Samus. It's not like Metroid and Super Metroid were mega-hits, yet she came into the contest as a beast, with only Metroid, Metroid 2, Super Metroid, and SSB under her belt. A lot of her popularity stems from her design.
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