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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 3:23:41 PM | message detail
Guys, I just sent a feedback ticket requesting that Mega Man or Crono get tested by a character who is strong but not so established in the contests -- namely, I mentioned Vincent, Ganon, and Zelda. It doesn't have to be one of those three, but I think it'd be cool of us if we rallied together and let CJay/SB know we'd love to see an up-and-comer (strength-wise, not age-wise!) give either of them a fight before they fight the Noble Nine members again since those two are the bottom of the totem pole right now. They'll be facing two or three characters before they get to the Noble Niners anyway, so why not make a potentially huge upset happen?

TRE, Dabu, if either of you are up for this idea, then any pull you guys might have would be greatly appreciated. Everybody else, if you're up for it, I think a simple feedback ticket suggesting something along those lines would get it noticed and we would have a good chance of making a great match!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/4/2007 3:24:49 PM | message detail
3) Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V)

Toying with my emotions when we all know that's not remotely possible. :(
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/4/2007 3:33:00 PM | message detail
let's request no tag-team. :(
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 3:33:31 PM | message detail
You would be...by requesting some good one-on-one matches for Mega Man and Crono!
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transience | Posted 8/4/2007 3:34:31 PM | message detail
I'm content to leave the admins alone. if they wanted feedback, they'd read SB's topic. no need to bug them.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/4/2007 5:18:45 PM | message detail
Better to have that sort of direct request though. Posting in the sticky topic and saying "I hope we get match x!" doesn't really work as a request, it's just..."oh, OK, they want to see this match". Going through the 'effort' of submitting a feedback shows that this is wanted, by at least one person. Then if they have time they can follow it up, take a quick scan in here and see if there's any support.

(*supports HaRR's idea*) Though I like the idea of the N9, there'd be something magical about it being broken.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/4/2007 8:48:15 PM | message detail
I'd mark out if it was broken, not gonna lie.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 9:10:19 PM | message detail
I would too, though I'd hate to see it happen to Mega Man. I'd rather it be Crono of course...but since it's merely a popularity contest, I'm all for just seeing it broken. I think the Noble Nine has now won over a hundred matches against characters not in the Noble Nine.....
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/4/2007 9:11:53 PM | message detail
I'd rather someone break Sonic because Crono and MM are awesome and he's not.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 8/4/2007 9:18:38 PM | message detail
Anybody else think the lack of a huge banner on the main page means we'll get alot less nominations from outside Board 8?

Banners haven't ever been up for nominations have they? They were always made for entering your bracket, not your nominations. It wouldn't make sense otherwise because you'd see who was already in the contest!
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 9:24:49 PM | message detail
I think Dabu's right. Just doesn't make sense once you think about it, unless you wanted to make a banner of previous champions.


Mega Man > Sonic >>>> Crono!
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/4/2007 9:26:49 PM | message detail
Uh, the N9 was broken last year.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 9:30:30 PM | message detail
Only in the same way it was broken in 2k3 and 2k4 -- only by indirect statistics and/or anomalies.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/4/2007 9:31:06 PM | message detail
Jay Solano is no anomaly !!
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/4/2007 9:31:57 PM | message detail
Anomaly? I suppose if you want to get technical, yes...
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 9:31:57 PM | message detail
Point taken -- I stand corrected!
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/4/2007 9:34:00 PM | message detail
Speaking of Jay, I think it would be a classy move if -- assuming everybody's back in the normal bracket -- the bracket started off with Link/Solano.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/4/2007 9:34:26 PM | message detail
Classy indeed.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/4/2007 9:43:31 PM | message detail
I'm with tranny, if they wanted ideas from us they would either check sb's topic or drop in here and see what we were talking about. there's no reason to pester them with feedback tickets, because if anything, it'd probably only annoy them. I'm content in sitting back and just going with whatever bracket comes out, because there's going to be debatable matches no matter what. I just hope that if seph is allowed back in, we can finally see a Samus/seph match.
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Kaxon | Posted 8/4/2007 11:05:07 PM | message detail
Mega Man has NEVER had hype on ANY of his games in America at least. No, I'm serious.

MM3 had some hype. At least, it was the game with by far the longest line at Nintendo Powerfest 1990.
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transience | Posted 8/4/2007 11:13:26 PM | message detail
MM was really big in the late 80s.

to this site's demographic, though, he's nonexistent.
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Kaxon | Posted 8/4/2007 11:19:25 PM | message detail
Guys, I just sent a feedback ticket requesting that Mega Man or Crono get tested by a character who is strong but not so established in the contests -- namely, I mentioned Vincent, Ganon, and Zelda.

Well, I don't see much need for a Crono/Vincent rematch, and the other two are probably both weaker than Vincent (Ganon for sure, Zelda probably). Mega Man might have fallen enough to lose to any of them, I suppose, but I'd hate to see it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2007 11:43:28 PM | message detail
You guys really wouldn't take Ganondorf over Vincent in a rematch? Considering TP, the site's further bend toward Nintendo, and the fact that he didn't lose by terribly much the first time... I'd be awfully tempted to take him.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/5/2007 12:12:48 AM | message detail
Ganon would totally take Vincent at this moment in time I believe...
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/5/2007 12:18:34 AM | message detail
KH spoke my thoughts on a Ganon/Vincent rematch. I understand Ganon wasn't all that spectacular in LoZ:TP though, so that's the only thing shying me away from it...but even then, Ganon doesn't HAVE to be spectacular to boost enough to get that kind of rise considering everything else. LoZ:TP is mighty loved on both the Wii and Gamecube, LoZ:OoT and LoZ:LttP are on the Virtual Console while FF7 gets another year older by itself, the Wii's easily the most-owned new console here, the DS's ownership keeps on rising steadily, LoZ:Phantom Hourglass will come out in time to help favor Ganon if he can get out of the first round (though I don't know if he's in the handheld LoZ games or not)...

...all that, man, you don't have to be particularly exceptional in your last game to overcome a 47-53 loss. It'd be close as hell either way it goes, but as somebody who took Vincent last year, I'd probably take Ganon this year.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/5/2007 12:20:17 AM | message detail
I don't really wanna see a rematch between them honestly though. At least not round 1 right away. I want to see Ganon and Vincent tear through the bracket a bit first.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 8/5/2007 12:22:30 AM | message detail
Vinny beat him soundly last time and I really think that big game hype is a much deadlier weapon then post game satisfaction on this site.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/5/2007 12:24:51 AM | message detail
Big game hype? Please tell me you don't mean the supposed FF7 PS3 Remake?
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/5/2007 12:26:51 AM | message detail
Agreed. I'd like to see Mega Man/Vincent and Ganon/Zelda to decide who faces Crono...then let those winners face off to see who goes against, say...Cloud. None of those five have ever faced Cloud, seeing how Vincent and Crono held up against him would be interesting, and I don't think anybody is taking any of those five over any other Noble Niners this year.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/5/2007 12:28:57 AM | message detail
I think he meant LoZ:TP hype helped Ganon more than post-LoZ:TP favoritism. If Ganon/Vincent was in, like...November last year, it would be possible...but as-is, I would disagree with that notion if that's what Smurf meant.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 8/5/2007 12:32:06 AM | message detail
I think Snake's boost last year proved what Nintendo hype is capable of.
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transience | Posted 8/5/2007 12:33:25 AM | message detail
don't think you can compare Snake hype to Ganondorf. I wouldn't call 52-48 "soundly", either.. that's taking Ulti blowout to new levels.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/5/2007 12:34:53 AM | message detail
Ok guys. Who wants to predict when a bracket will be out? >_>
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/5/2007 12:42:21 AM | message detail
Nah, Peach blew Jill out last year.



It's one thing to have that kind of hype from LoZ:TP help Link...it's another thing to have that kind of hype from SSBB help Solid Snake. Link was the expected star of his game, his Nintendo fanbase has been well-established, and LoZ:TP had already been hyped and expected for years at that point. Meanwhile, Solid was the surprise star of SSBB, he was introduced to the Nintendo fanbase, and SSBB was hhoott (and still is) with hype. Also, unlike Link, Solid was also starring in another huge game as well...MGS4.

So I don't think you can compare Link's hype to Solid's...and if you can't compare Link's hype, why would Ganon's have a chance from two months further away from the game's release than when Link had his matches?


Maybe Ganon was affected, but I bet he's stronger than last year predicts!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/5/2007 2:06:49 AM | message detail
I don't like to believe in hype much myself, but considering how crazy Zelda stuff seemed to get as the end of the contest approached... I'm sorry, but it's the only way I can wrap my mind around Ganondorf just rolling over and dying to Vinnie after everything Zelda and Link pulled. That or try accepting that Zelda is easily going 55%+ on 'dorf before SFF...
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__Smurf__ | Posted 8/5/2007 2:08:30 AM | message detail
The female bracket should be discarded, Zelda would job easily to Ganon.
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Lopen | Posted 8/5/2007 4:46:28 AM | message detail
I've gotta agree with Smurf on discarding the female bracket... but my money is still on Zelda in that match. Always has been.

And that's my one line post of the day.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/5/2007 6:10:07 AM | message detail
*agrees with Lopen*

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/5/2007 6:46:48 AM | message detail
but considering how crazy Zelda stuff seemed to get as the end of the contest approached...

something happened around the end of the contest Zelda-related? someone refresh my memory?
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DomaDragoon | Posted 8/5/2007 7:05:49 AM | message detail
Mega Man has NEVER had hype on ANY of his games in America at least. No, I'm serious.

Maybe so, but don't forget that horrible commercial during the anniversary edition's release time with the pre-pubescent children (and no comment from you, Smurf).

On second thought, forget it. Please forget it.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/5/2007 8:41:44 AM | message detail
Like Harrich said, Snake's boost wasn't a result of big game hype, so much as a result of big game hype in a completely new, and seperate fanbase from the Metal Gear group.

The only way Ganon would get a boost like that is if he is the main villain in the next Final Fantasy.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/5/2007 10:52:02 AM | message detail
Regardless, Ganon sure looks badass in TP.
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ZFS | Posted 8/5/2007 11:07:19 AM | message detail
Ganon should undoubtedly be stronger this year as a result of TP. It won't be some sorta huge boost from last year, but he could probably get by Vincent this year. He's had too much this past year to lose, I think.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 8/5/2007 11:08:11 AM | message detail
I don't like to believe in hype much myself, but considering how crazy Zelda stuff seemed to get as the end of the contest approached... I'm sorry, but it's the only way I can wrap my mind around Ganondorf just rolling over and dying to Vinnie after everything Zelda and Link pulled. That or try accepting that Zelda is easily going 55%+ on 'dorf before SFF...

I don't really buy that as a reason why Ganon would take Vincent in a rematch. If you want to take Zelda's match seriously against Samus go ahead, but I sure as hell know I'm not, with Tifa/Samus being as messed up as it was. Aeris was looking like crap the entire contest, and the result really wasn't that surprising, it wasn't for me, and I know it wasn't for a lot of others after seeing the early rounds. Her only other match against anyone of substance is Yuna, who Ganon beat much worse a year earlier, with suspected cheating for Yuna. Vincent beat Ganon rather securely last time around (no I'm not saying 52.6% is a blowout), but I really don't know if I'd take Ganon in a rematch, would it be closer? Hell yes, but I really don't know if he's going to overcome that much with all the exposure he already has, he hasn't really done anything special to boost him. The only reason I would even contemplate it, is because of a demographic change, but even then I'm not sure it's different enough from a year ago to warrant it. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not suddenly coming to GameFAQs because I bought a Wii, it's not really a FAQ heavy system. I know that logic could get me in trouble, but I think the Wii's success here is just more of the mainstays getting the Wii, not brand new people who have never really thought about coming here before.

Link beat Cloud harder than we've seen before, yes but I'm not going to suddenly say that means the Zelda crew must have boosted after Ganon's match with Vincent.

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_Harmonica_ | Posted 8/5/2007 11:24:42 AM | message detail
Agree with EC. I would take Ganon in a rematch, but it would be more because of Vincent getting slightly weaker than Ganon getting stronger. I doubt Vincent would've even gotten into the contest without AC and DoC.

Speaking of FFVII characters, Crisis Core is released in Japan on September 9. Is it crazy to think it might give Cloudiroth a slight boost?
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transience | Posted 8/5/2007 11:25:00 AM | message detail
just thought I'd say that Ganondorf could have beaten Vincent the very next day given how close the match was. he doesn't really need much to go his way.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/5/2007 11:25:19 AM | message detail
I would take Ganon over Vincent in a rematch, but it would be very close either way. Last year, Vincent had Dirge of Cerberus and Ganon really didn't have anything (because as we already discussed, the hype factor only worked for Snake because of the different fanbase).

But not only do we have Ganon with new releases and extra Nintendo support this year, but we have a Vincent who's last game was over a year ago, meaning he should drop at least a little bit.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/5/2007 11:26:58 AM | message detail
Crisis Core coming out in Japan shouldn't affect anything. Unlike Advent Children, you can't play the game if you don't speak Japanese, while AC had subtitled versions within a week.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/5/2007 11:29:27 AM | message detail
Sorry for triple post, but I think this is partly why the Noble Nine won't be breaking this year. Sonic beat Vincent by enough last year that unless we have Ganon/Crono or MM/Ganon after Brawl comes out, I highly doubt anybody else will even come close. Sonic/MM/Crono are close enough together that barring 200,000+ votals, Crono won't be low enough to lose to anyone outside that trio.

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ZFS | Posted 8/5/2007 11:31:11 AM | message detail
Speaking of FFVII characters, Crisis Core is released in Japan on September 9. Is it crazy to think it might give Cloudiroth a slight boost?

In short -- yes.

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