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charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2007 9:02:23 AM | message detail
If nominations were only up on board 8 I wouldn't be surprised if one of the noble 9 missed out.
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 8/2/2007 9:03:56 AM | message detail
Yeah, plus we'd be seeing Link as a 7th seed or something :S But oh well, Mewtwo for a 1st seed!
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2007 9:34:04 AM | message detail
Ha, I think the Series Contest was only by our seeding...which would explain why Halo was a 6-seed.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 9:34:41 AM | message detail
(1) Mewtwo
(8) Jigglypuff

FTW.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 10:01:59 AM | message detail
Just saying, we might see some magic towards the end if this bracket gets too big.

Snake > Cloud confirmed!

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Master Moltar | Posted 8/2/2007 10:15:03 AM | message detail
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/2/2007 10:17:06 AM | message detail
And Samus > Seph too!

Vindication for my prediction in 2005 (augh mario).
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/2/2007 11:12:40 AM | message detail
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Kaxon | Posted 8/2/2007 1:30:08 PM | message detail
People are nominating Toad? Awesome, I will too. Toad is a million times better than Wario.

Here's what I have so far:
Wario - Mario
CATS - Zero Wing
Gordon Freeman - Half Life
Phoenix Wright - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attourney
Ecco the Dolphin - Ecco the Dolphin
Commander Keen - Commander Keen
Toad - Super Mario Bros.

I'm open to suggestions. Aeris almost definitely gets one of my spots, and I may nominate Crono and Mega Man to help their seeding, especially with 15 nominations. Magus is another possibility.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2007 2:06:02 PM | message detail
If you nominate Magus, nominate Knuckles too!
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2007 2:08:57 PM | message detail
Here are my nominations:

Knuckles - Sonic the Hedgehog
Raiden - Metal Gear Solid
Mewtwo - Pokemon
Diddy Kong - Donkey Kong Country
Seifer - Final Fantasy 8
Nightmare - Soul Calibur
Wario - Wario Ware
Akuma - Street Fighter
Fox McCloud - Star Fox
Grim Reaper - Guitar Hero
Sub-Zero - Mortal Kombat
Yoshimitsu - Soul Calibur/Tekken
Banjo - Banjo-Kazooie
Ike - Fire Emblem
Ness - Earthbound



Of those, I only like maybe ten of them...though that's good, considering I was mostly aiming to get characters who I'd like to see make the contest for their strength.
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Majin Lou | Posted 8/2/2007 2:11:18 PM | message detail
It's not the Grim Reaper. It's the Grim Ripper!
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 2:11:51 PM | message detail
I only like about five of mine. there's a few I don't even know!
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2007 2:18:56 PM | message detail
Using the first update of the Nomination Tally here's what the bracket would look like. (tie breakers were done by alphabetical order)

Division 1

1) Mewtwo (Pokemon)
8) Earthworm Jim (Earthworm Jim)

4) Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
5) Revolver Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid)

3) CATS (Zero Wing)
6) Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII)

2) Banjo (Banjo Kazooie)
7) Bowser (Mario)

Division 2

1) Balthier (Final Fantasy XII)
8) Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)

4) Nana (Ice Climbers)
5) Luigi (Mario)

3) Amaterasu (Okami)
6) Miles Edgeworth (Phoenix Wright)

2) Midna (LoZ : Twilight Princess)
7) Squall Leonheart (Final Fantasy VIII)

Division 3

1) Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2)
8) Crono (Chrono Trigger)

4) Mega Man (Mega Man)
5) Jigglypuff (Pokemon)

3) Magus (Chrono Trigger)
6) Zero (Mega Man X)

2) Knuckles the Echidna (Sonic)
7) Dante (Devil May Cry)

Division 4

1) Bidoof (Pokemon D/P)
8) Bomberman (Bomberman)

4) Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)
5) Kirby (Kirby)

3) Akuma (Street Fighter)
6) Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic)

2) Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
7) Jade Curtiss (Tales of Abyss)

Division 5

1) Ike (Fire Emblem: Path of Radience)
8) Dan Hibiki (Street Fighter)

4) Midgar Zolom (Final Fantasy VII)
5) Aeris (Final Fantasy VII)

3) Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
6) Ashe (Final Fantasy XII)

2) Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII)
7) Cid Highwind (Final Fantasy VII)

Division 6

1) Matt (Wii Sports)
8) Yoshimitsu (Soul Calibur)

4) Vivi (Final Fantasy IX)
5) KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)

3) Klonoa (Klonoa)
6) Ridley (Metroid)

2) Fox McCloud (Star Fox)
7) Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)

Division 7

1) Phoenix Wright (Phoenix Wright)
8) Donkey Kong (Donkey Kong Country)

4) Ness (Earthbound)
5) Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII)

3) Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V)
6) Aya Brea (Parasite Eve)

2) Meta Knight (Kirby)
7) Captain Falcon (F-Zero)

Division 8

1) Wario (Mario)
8) Wander (Shadow of the Colossus)

4) Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
5) Little Mac (Punch Out)

3) Pit (Kid Icarus)
6) Presea Combatir (Tales of Symphonia)

2) Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
7) Marina Liteyears (Mischief Makers)

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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 2:19:37 PM | message detail
Division 3 is full of win on so many levels
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/2/2007 2:20:21 PM | message detail
Wow @ Division 3. Talk about stacked
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 2:20:24 PM | message detail
there's so much hilarity in those seedings that I can't even comment on them individually.
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Gaddswell | Posted 8/2/2007 2:23:10 PM | message detail
Magus
Zero
Knuckes
Dante

Nice.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 2:25:32 PM | message detail
Div 6 looks pretty interesting as well
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2007 2:25:56 PM | message detail
I know I saw that 4-pack. Another interesting thing to note is none of the previous champions have made it in.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/2/2007 2:28:58 PM | message detail
Fox would kill that Division 6.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 2:30:01 PM | message detail
1) Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2)
8) Crono (Chrono Trigger)


the noble nine is crushed

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Big Bob | Posted 8/2/2007 2:30:08 PM | message detail
Jigglypuff's so gonna beat Mega Man's face in round 1!
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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 2:34:33 PM | message detail
Fox would kill that Division 6.

I'm not sure Fox would win a match
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/2/2007 2:37:19 PM | message detail
Fox would easily win a match. DK nearly beat Master Chief, and Marcus is going to be far weaker than Master Chief.

Though that's not to say Fox will be as strong as DK...and look at what Vivi did to DK. Vivi's the likeliest winner there.
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Kaxon | Posted 8/2/2007 2:45:21 PM | message detail
If you nominate Magus, nominate Knuckles too!

He deserves to get in, but I don't actually like Knuckles. I'm only planning to give nominations to characters I like, aside from Wario.
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/2/2007 2:47:14 PM | message detail
3) Magus (Chrono Trigger)
6) Zero (Mega Man X)

2) Knuckles the Echidna (Sonic)
7) Dante (Devil May Cry)


Oh wow.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2007 2:48:30 PM | message detail
I'd probably take Fox to upset and win that division. Since 2k3, he's had two console games and a handheld release, SSBM's popularity has snowballed, he'd been announced and seen alot on the SSBB site for awhile now, SF64 hit the Virtual Console (did the original, too?), and Nintendo's stock has risen immensely...

...no knock on Vivi's strength, but I don't think he'll be as strong as 2k5 says anymore now that neither Square nor Sony are doing so hot, plus the PS1-ownership has gone down here since the new systems have launched. Backwards compatibility, I know, but it still doesn't bode well for the mage. Also, 2k5 suggests DK never should have lost to Vivi like he did in 2k4. I'd barely take DK > Fox and I'd figure this could be DK's best year yet.

Of course, Vivi and Fox both are practically the only two candidates to win it. I would go for the upset in Fox for it though.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2007 2:55:12 PM | message detail
Fox/Vivi? Hmm.. I'd probably go Vivi.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 2:56:56 PM | message detail
Marcus is going to be far weaker than Master Chief

Quantify "far" please. Marcus is going to be a great sleeper/upset pick if he gets in.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2007 3:00:04 PM | message detail
I think Fox can take Marcus pretty easily.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 3:00:27 PM | message detail
yeah, like 60% easily.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2007 3:00:56 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Nintendo characters in general will have their best year to date strength-wise.
FACT or FICTION: Every Nintendo character that makes the bracket is either in or is announced to soon be in the SSB series.
FACT or FICTION: Alucard will be back to his previous glory since C:SotN is on Xbox Live Arcade.
FACT or FICTION: MC will be the most unpredictable character this year, assuming the contest ends by 11/1/07.
FACT or FICTION: If Mega Man or Crono are roughly tested, we will see the Noble Nine fall this year.
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Gaddswell | Posted 8/2/2007 3:03:37 PM | message detail
FACT: Nintendo characters in general will have their best year to date strength-wise.
FACT: Every Nintendo character that makes the bracket is either in or is announced to soon be in the SSB series.
FICTION: Alucard will be back to his previous glory since C:SotN is on Xbox Live Arcade.
FACT: MC will be the most unpredictable character this year, assuming the contest ends by 11/1/07.
FICTION: If Mega Man or Crono are roughly tested, we will see the Noble Nine fall this year.
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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 3:05:02 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Nintendo characters in general will have their best year to date strength-wise.

Fiction, I can see a slight drop-off with anything outside of Zelda

FACT or FICTION: Every Nintendo character that makes the bracket is either in or is announced to soon be in the SSB series.

Toad? Can't think of too much Nintendo wise that isn't in SSB

FACT or FICTION: Alucard will be back to his previous glory since C:SotN is on Xbox Live Arcade.

Maybe worth a couple of points tops

FACT or FICTION: MC will be the most unpredictable character this year, assuming the contest ends by 11/1/07.

Fiction, chances are he'll get a first round match where he's an underdog if it's anything like an orthodox 64-man bracket

FACT or FICTION: If Mega Man or Crono are roughly tested, we will see the Noble Nine fall this year.

Fiction LDO
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/2/2007 3:06:09 PM | message detail
Nominations through tranny (post 182) in the Nominations Tally topic:
http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/noms.txt

If somebody wants to make a bracket out of them..
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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 3:07:01 PM | message detail
I'll do a bracket of them in another topic.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/2/2007 3:07:17 PM | message detail
Why would Mario have a drop off?

Or Samus?

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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 3:14:10 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Nintendo characters in general will have their best year to date strength-wise.

-- I think most of them will remain fairly stable, except for the ones with reasons to increase. Reason to increase, of course, isn't "Wii was released; Nintendo fans go wild."

FACT or FICTION: Every Nintendo character that makes the bracket is either in or is announced to soon be in the SSB series.

-- All of Nintendo's notable characters seem to be there.

FACT or FICTION: Alucard will be back to his previous glory since C:SotN is on Xbox Live Arcade.

-- I think he'll get a nice boost, but I'm not sure about "returning to glory."

FACT or FICTION: MC will be the most unpredictable character this year, assuming the contest ends by 11/1/07.

FACT or FICTION: If Mega Man or Crono are roughly tested, we will see the Noble Nine fall this year.

-- There are only a couple of scenarios I see where that things might get interesting: Mega Man vs. Vincent/Ganondorf and Crono vs. Ganondorf. Seems too ideal for those matches to play out, and even if they did, I think both of the Noble Nine guys would squeak it out at the least.

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jonthomson | Posted 8/2/2007 3:23:05 PM | message detail
Meh, got bored of making a bracket
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/2/2007 3:27:37 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Nintendo characters in general will have their best year to date strength-wise.

Fiction. They'll still be ruthless beasts, but not quite as strong as last year.

FACT or FICTION: Every Nintendo character that makes the bracket is either in or is announced to soon be in the SSB series.

Fiction, unless Diddy Kong and/or Midna get announced for SSBB.

FACT or FICTION: Alucard will be back to his previous glory since C:SotN is on Xbox Live Arcade.

Push. He'll probably get enough to keep from falling, and he has been exposed to an entirely new audience. I don't know if he'll be as strong as in 2k2 or 2k3 though.

FACT or FICTION: MC will be the most unpredictable character this year, assuming the contest ends by 11/1/07.

Fact. Nobody else could ever be that unpredictable.

FACT or FICTION: If Mega Man or Crono are roughly tested, we will see the Noble Nine fall this year.

I'll have to go with fiction. The only characters I can see testing those two are Ganondorf, Vincent, and possibly Bowser. We could have our first real scare since Bowser vs. Solid **** though.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/2/2007 3:30:01 PM | message detail
FACT Nintendo characters in general will have their best year to date strength-wise.
FICTION: Every Nintendo character that makes the bracket is either in or is announced to soon be in the SSB series.
FICTION: Alucard will be back to his previous glory since C:SotN is on Xbox Live Arcade.
FACT: MC will be the most unpredictable character this year, assuming the contest ends by 11/1/07.
FACT: If Mega Man or Crono are roughly tested, we will see the Noble Nine fall this year.
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/2/2007 3:32:33 PM | message detail
Oh, right, throw in Zelda into possible Noble Nine breakers as well. I forgot about her. She could take Mega Man if she has a good day and Mega Man has a bad day, but the bracket probably won't shape up like that.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/2/2007 3:39:57 PM | message detail
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Posted 8/2/2007 12:34:04 PM
#403 Ha, I think the Series Contest was only by our seeding...which would explain why Halo was a 6-seed.


Actually, if you look at Halo's match, and the comments said by even the Halo 2 message board, alot of people just didn't consider Halo to be series enough for a contest.

And wow @ division 3 in the nomination bracket. Stacked to hell. I daresay that 4-pack is looking just as nasty as Kirby/PoP/Luigi/Zero did

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/2/2007 3:42:05 PM | message detail
And something that's surprising me is the lack of discussion on Balthier. I think he has a good chance of shaking up the high-mid-card tier. Definitely see him maybe a couple of points behind Auron

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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 3:43:26 PM | message detail
Definitely think you've been injesting a powerful substance.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/2/2007 3:45:18 PM | message detail
I hope you mean, pre-KH2 Auron, BT.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 3:45:23 PM | message detail
And something that's surprising me is the lack of discussion on Balthier. I think he has a good chance of shaking up the high-mid-card tier. Definitely see him maybe a couple of points behind Kratos Auron
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/2/2007 3:45:48 PM | message detail
I think both Balthier and Ashe have a chance to win a match or two, given favorable placement. I'd put Balthier at around Ryu's level or so, and Ashe at about Rikku's strength, maybe a bit stronger.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2007 3:48:17 PM | message detail
the only match in that fourpack I'm sure about is Magus > Zero. I do think the winner of Dante/Knuckles'll take Magus, though.
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