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Janus5000 | Posted 8/2/2007 3:50:52 PM | message detail
...Magus has more nominations than Kn- oh. The rat has two names on there. Tag-teaming bastard.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 3:51:36 PM | message detail
the only match in that fourpack I'm sure about is Magus > Zero. I do think the winner of Dante/Knuckles'll take Magus, though.

Eh, why would you be sure of Magus > Zero? Chrono Trigger isn't getting anymore popular on this site either...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2007 3:58:35 PM | message detail
Mega Man isn't getting anymore popular either. Magus is probably slightly weaker this year and I expect him to squeeze past Zero in a match-up if it were to take place. I'd never expect Zero to ever come that close to Knuckles.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:03:29 PM | message detail
I wouldn't expect Magus to come that close to Knuckles anymore either. I'd say he's overrated a point or so simply because of how heavy a favorite he was (sure, most of that is a B8 thing, but you can't tell me that doesn't matter, especially with how seriously a lot of us take the contest - rallying is a given, and I wouldn't put cheating out of the question).

Magus/Zero is a 50/50 affair using straight 2k5 stats. Mega Man/Crono is a 50/50 affair going by straight 2k6 stats. Both entities appear to at least be somewhat on the decline. Zero might have disappointed last year, but Magus didn't make the bracket at all.

That match isn't a given.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:05:53 PM | message detail
Here's the seeding for the second bracket with that changes they made from the first bracket. I just noticed that Knuckles is on there twice so if anyone is wondering Vincent takes the bottom spot.

mewtwo: 59 (1 Seed)
ike: 50 (1 Seed)
wario: 47 (1 Seed)
phoenix wright: 44 (1 Seed)
raiden: 43 (1 Seed)
bidoof: 40 (1 Seed)
matt: 40 (1 Seed)
nightmare: 34 (2 Seed)

balthier: 32 (1 Seed)
midna: 31 (2 Seed)
diddy kong: 30 (2 Seed)
fox mccloud: 30 (2 Seed)
seifer almasy: 30 (2 Seed)
magus: 28 (3 Seed)
cats: 23 (3 Seed)
leon kennedy: 22 (3 Seed)

knuckles: 21 (2 Seed)
banjo: 19 (2 Seed)
midgar zolom: 18 (4 Seed)
gilgamesh: 17 (3 Seed)
knuckles the echidna: 17 (2 Seed)
solid snake: 17 (4 Seed)
vivi: 17 (4 Seed)
akuma: 16 (3 Seed)

bowser: 16 (7 Seed)
klonoa: 16 (3 Seed)
zero: 16 (6 Seed)
nana: 15 (4 Seed)
toad: 15 (NEW)
alucard: 14 (NEW)
amaterasu: 14 (3 Seed)
luigi: 14 (5 Seed)

ness: 14 (4 Seed)
revolver ocelot: 14 (5 Seed)
ridley: 13 (6 Seed)
zelos wilder: 13 (4 Seed)
captain falcon: 12 (7 Seed)
jigglypuff: 12 (5 Seed)
kirby: 12 (5 Seed)
little mac: 12 (5 Seed)

lyndis: 12 (NEW)
auron: 11 (NEW)
kefka: 11 (NEW)
kos-mos: 11 (5 Seed)
meta-knight: 11 (2 Seed)
pit: 11 (3 Seed)
rufus shinra: 11 (5 Seed)
yoshi: 11 (NEW)

dante: 10 (7 Seed)
frog: 10 (NEW)
jade curtiss: 10 (7 Seed)
kratos: 10 (NEW)
miles edgeworth: 10 (6 Seed)
pikachu: 10 (NEW)
squall leonhart: 10 (7 Seed)
the boss: 10 (NEW)

wander: 10 (8 Seed)
yoshimitsu: 10 (8 Seed)
cid highwind: 9 (7 Seed)
gordon freeman: 9 (NEW)
marcus fenix: 9 (7 Seed)
mega man: 9 (4 Seed)
sanger zonvolt: 9 (NEW)
sora: 9 (NEW)

Dropouts

Pac-Man (4 Seed)
Aeris (5 Seed)
Ashe (6 Seed)
Aya Brea (6 Seed)
Barret Wallace (6 Seed)
Presea (6 Seed)
Sonic the Hedgehog (6 Seed)
Marina Liteyears (7 Seed)
Bomberman (8 Seed)
Crono (8 Seed)
Dan Hibiki (8 Seed)
Donkey Kong (8 Seed)
Earthworm Jim (8 Seed)
Sub-Zero (8 Seed)

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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:06:32 PM | message detail
I think I'd go with Zero there. Don't have too much faith in Magus anymore.

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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:07:35 PM | message detail
ike: 50 (1 Seed)

What the...

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:08:16 PM | message detail
This is Board 8 alright
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swirIdude | Posted 8/2/2007 4:08:52 PM | message detail
ike: 50 (1 Seed)

What the...


THE IKE RALLY STARTED BY SAKURAI!
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:09:02 PM | message detail
Mega Man isn't getting anymore popular either. Magus is probably slightly weaker this year and I expect him to squeeze past Zero in a match-up if it were to take place. I'd never expect Zero to ever come that close to Knuckles.

Note that I did add the word "either" to my post to point out that both the Chrono Trigger and the Mega Man series are in decline. Before his matches with the Mario Bros., Zero always looked to be consistently stronger than Knuckles. I don't know how he all of a sudden wouldn't come close to Knuckles while you still hold Magus at that level.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:10:24 PM | message detail
Magus/Zero is a 50/50 affair using straight 2k5 stats. Mega Man/Crono is a 50/50 affair going by straight 2k6 stats. Both entities appear to at least be somewhat on the decline. Zero might have disappointed last year, but Magus didn't make the bracket at all.

Or as usual, Karma Hunter puts my thoughts into text form better than I can myself.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:11:01 PM | message detail
Man, Board 8 is hardcore SSB if Ike can get 50 nominations just by being announced in the game.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2007 4:11:24 PM | message detail
I'm skeptical on if Zero just has bad luck against Mario characters or so. I mean, his match with Mega Man didn't look as suspicious as Mario/Luigi were.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/2/2007 4:13:19 PM | message detail
Man, Board 8 is hardcore SSB if Ike can get 50 nominations just by being announced in the game.

Don't say it like you don't believe it <_<
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:14:10 PM | message detail
Witness the power of BRAWL, HM!!!!

*insert evil laughter*
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:14:22 PM | message detail
Zero's matches against Mario and Luigi can be perfectly legitimate and still leave him competitive with Magus. If any potential Magus overrating/dropping wouldn't be enough, anything potentially anomalous like Luigi possibly underperforming against Sonic would be.
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:15:31 PM | message detail
Well, I knew you fellas got excited in the pants at those site updates each night, but damn.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:16:22 PM | message detail
I expect Ike to get in with a ridiculously inflated seed, but meh. Hopefully he'll get matched up against Gordon Freeman or something to make it at least interesting, but I don't need to see him bomb before SSBB is actually out
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:17:04 PM | message detail
Speaking of Ike, how strong do you think he'll be?

I'm thinking around Tingle, until SSBB comes out.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:17:27 PM | message detail
Well thats also coupled by FE 10's upcoming release and FE9...SSBB just boosted that to insane levels
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 4:17:36 PM | message detail
yeah, I mentioned this myself earlier.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=37218434
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Warsola | Posted 8/2/2007 4:18:07 PM | message detail
The Ike push isn't surprising, I mean, Brawl + MGS4 pushed Snake from a good bit under Sonic/MegaMan/Crono to well, running wild until Smaus, where he put up a slightly higher number than he did against Mario the year before.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:18:24 PM | message detail
If by "insane" you mean "low-midcarder once SSBB comes out, meh fodder before then", then sure!
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:18:37 PM | message detail
Before SSB, Ike's going to be nothing but fodder.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:19:24 PM | message detail
The Ike push isn't surprising, I mean, Brawl + MGS4 pushed Snake from a good bit under Sonic/MegaMan/Crono to well, running wild until Smaus, where he put up a slightly higher number than he did against Mario the year before.

Please don't put Ike in SSBB in the same universe as the announcement of Snake.
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Warsola | Posted 8/2/2007 4:20:01 PM | message detail
I expect Ike pre-Brawl release to be at best a midcarder.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:20:06 PM | message detail
I'd expect Ike to be a bit weaker than Captain Falcon showed to be. He's not nearly as well known, but now that the Brawl fanbase has their hands on him...
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 4:20:45 PM | message detail
yeah, he's at best at CF's level. his ceiling is Ness.

augh not gonna debate where Ness is
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:20:49 PM | message detail
The Ike push isn't surprising, I mean, Brawl + MGS4 pushed Snake from a good bit under Sonic/MegaMan/Crono to well, running wild until Smaus, where he put up a slightly higher number than he did against Mario the year before.

I wouldn't even compare the two. Snake is an entirely different beast from Ike. Everyone loved him beforehand; the Brawl announced coupled with the gun-in-mouth just got everyone in a frenzy. Ike's like ... "who?"

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wavedash101 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:21:17 PM | message detail
Yeah...Ike was expected...Snake was not at all and ZOMG 3rd party + E3 surprise...yeah not even close
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Warsola | Posted 8/2/2007 4:21:20 PM | message detail
I was just pointing out how happy in the pants the entire SITE is about Brawl. >_>
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:21:21 PM | message detail
And note that this Ike thing isn't an E3 trailer shown to the entire gaming community. It's a mere update on a website dedicated to SSBB. Not nearly the same.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 4:21:53 PM | message detail
well if that's the case, then people who were actually IN Melee should be beating the Ryus and Zeros of the world.
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Warsola | Posted 8/2/2007 4:24:08 PM | message detail
So basically...



HM: *mentions how the board is happy in the pants about Brawl, acting surprised*

Me: *points to Snake's boost as proof as to why you shouldn't be surprised*

Entire Topic: OMG HOW DARE YOU COMPARE IKE TO SNAKE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:24:11 PM | message detail
Speaking of SSB characters, I haven't seen much support for Peach either so far. Considering she only got her high seed thanks to a big board push and the female bracket, I could see her missing out - which would be a shame, what with her having the most exciting match of the contest last year and the fact that we don't have a good read on her.

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*nominates Jill*
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/2/2007 4:24:29 PM | message detail
what about Dante/Knuckles? I'm really feelin' Dante winning that one. think either one could take out the Zero/Magus winner too?
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 4:24:57 PM | message detail
I think Knuckles wins it.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:25:40 PM | message detail
I'm not comparing him to Snake. I'm comparing him to the situation. The amount of people who even know that Ike is in the game is going to be much smaller than people aware that Snake is in the game. The delivery medium alone dictates that.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:25:49 PM | message detail
I was pretty confident in Dante > Knuckles until he disappointed against Yoshi (sure I had him winning at first, but that's not the point !!). Still, considering Yoshi had the pic advantage along with DMC4 hype... sure, gimme Dante > Knux.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/2/2007 4:25:51 PM | message detail
Hey HM and KH, can you guys contact me ASAP since you're both here?

Oh and don't mind me everyone else, whoo!
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:26:22 PM | message detail
Dante wins that one pretty handily unless Knuckles is playable in Sonic Rush Adventure >_>

And even then I'd be skeptical

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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 4:26:39 PM | message detail
ooh, tran done got dissed this year!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:27:05 PM | message detail
rabble rabble augh
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:30:36 PM | message detail
HM: *mentions how the board is happy in the pants about Brawl, acting surprised*

Me: *points to Snake's boost as proof as to why you shouldn't be surprised*


There isn't any connection between the two. You can get excited for Snake in Brawl regardless of whether or not you're a Nintendo or SSB fan. It takes some hardcore loving to get pumped about Ike of all characters.

mnm made a great point on the way in which both were unveiled, too. Let's just say there's a smidge difference.

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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:31:05 PM | message detail
what about Dante/Knuckles? I'm really feelin' Dante winning that one. think either one could take out the Zero/Magus winner too?

Right now, I'd take Dante over Zero. Their popularity has flip-flopped recently. Dante is currently among the it-games right now. Capcom is doing nothing for Zero. Sega is at least keeping the Sonic series on the map although Knuckles himself shouldn't benefit from it as much as Sonic and Shadow do, since all the focus is on those two.

Right now I'd put it as Dante > Zero => Knuckles > Magus. I'd put Zero and Knuckles at around the same relative strength right now, but I'd take Zero in a direct match. I think his fanbase would support him a bit more than the Sonic fanbase would support Knuckles. Thank Sega for putting Knuckles in the backseat.
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wavedash101 | Posted 8/2/2007 4:31:43 PM | message detail
MMZ Collection for DS...do it Capcom
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ZFS | Posted 8/2/2007 4:32:42 PM | message detail
I think I'd take Dante over Knuckles in a close one. That could go either way, I think.

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therealmnm | Posted 8/2/2007 4:33:01 PM | message detail
MMZ Collection for DS...do it Capcom

Damn that. Zero needs a 3D console action game starring him, slicing **** up and screaming WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOORRRRRR?!?! Constantly.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2007 4:33:03 PM | message detail
You guys aren't rabble rabbleing enough rabble rabble
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trannyscience | Posted 8/2/2007 4:33:54 PM | message detail
I think you're underestimating Knuckles, personally.. look at how nice Sonic looked in 2k6. look how well Knuckles did vs. Squall. heck, 2k5 stats say Knuckles and Dante are dead even.
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