GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 443
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 10:26:36 PM | message detail |
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Also, though I know GH2 >> GH1, this could also be worth a look: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2247 --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 10:28:04 PM | message detail |
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um.... yeah, GH2's situation isn't even close to those other games out
there. Those are all parts of massively popular franchises with the
pimpdaddy hype machine behind them. I wouldn't put it past people to
vote for them regardless of if they've played them or not. Then there's the fact that GH2's sales have probably since doubled or more since the timing of the poll (I have absolutely no numbers to back this up, and would really like to see sale figures, hey hey hey hm, but I would be surprised to see this be incorrect), not to mention that there was a stipulation of GH coming out for the Wii for it to be "possibly on GTA's level." So yeah. Also, those poll's really aren't doing it for me, I mean how many times have we seen multi-option polls be so horrendously off from the truth, it's not even funny. Not to mention they're not even the same games, and that it's from 2002. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| transience | Posted 7/4/2007 10:34:16 PM | message detail |
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1.) I wasn't talking about hard! I'm not good enough for that yet -- at least, not enough to pass more than a song or two. 2.) these polls would have some weight if they had good choices or good competition. most of them so far have been horrible mismatches. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 10:48:18 PM | message detail |
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GH2 got quite a bit of advertising too. That's not fair to say to blame the other games for getting lots of ads. Disagree with the age of the polls all you want, but Splinter Cell game blew MGS2:Substance after MGS2 was #3 for GotY the year before...does that not strike you funny? How many times have we seen SMB3 or LoZ:LttP or some other popular game be ported to a handheld yet ultimately not live up to an iota of what the original game's strength was? That has to say something about the strengths of remakes...and GH2 barely beat MGS3:S. Hell, the two polls below say it all: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1489 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1631 SW:KotOR couldn't even get its original 40% against GTA:VC by itself when it got over 42% against an upgraded GTA:VC alongside GTA3 and eight other games. I know, it's the Xbox and not overall, but that doesn't explain SW:KotOR dropping and it goes against the franchise-voting you were suggesting. I wouldn't doubt that GH2's had some increased sales, but unless you want to bother saying GH2 could match KH2 or better now that the 360 version is out and then the Wii-version will make it fresh again, then I foresee us agreeing to disagree or continuously disagreeing for awhile. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2007 11:04:30 PM | message detail |
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(I have absolutely no numbers to back this up, and would really like
to see sale figures, hey hey hey hm, but I would be surprised to see
this be incorrect) I may not be HM, but according to NPD up through May, GH2 (PS2) has sold ~2 million units (1.3 mil in 2006 alone), while the 360 version has sold ~700K. --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting the next Contest Final SC2K6 score: 176...at least my alt made the Top 15 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/4/2007 11:13:09 PM | message detail |
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Um... HaRR... you're comparing the Xbox version of MGS2: Substance (the
freakin' XBOX version for chrissakes, which sold like crap and which
most fans disdain) with the PS2 version of MGS2. That version of
Substance - heck, Substance as a whole - is nowhere near as close to
MGS2 as Subsistence was to MGS3, if only for the online play alone. Now for the easier stuff. You think GTA3 or Vice City beats MGS2 head-to-head? Or that SA beats MGS3? Call me crazy, but I'm thinking any of the main MGS games could topple any of the GTA games in a straight poll... and not have it be terribly close, either. That's still a bit away from putting GH on that level, but this poll is at least going some more way toward proving strength (how much does GH get on FFT...?), and it won't exactly be shocking if something GH beats something GTA down the road. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 11:35:42 PM | message detail |
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You think GTA3 or Vice City beats MGS2 head-to-head? Or that SA beats MGS3? Yes/yes and yes. The 2k2-PS2/overall GotY polls, the direct comparison between MGS2 and GTA:VC against SSBM, and the 2k4-PS2/overall GotY polls would back me up on this too. you're comparing the Xbox version of MGS2: Substance (the freakin' XBOX version for chrissakes, which sold like crap and which most fans disdain) with the PS2 version of MGS2. That version of Substance - heck, Substance as a whole - is nowhere near as close to MGS2 as Subsistence was to MGS3, if only for the online play alone. MGS3:S sold pretty badly too, I understand, and it was released on the same system as the original MGS3. That kind of overlap should have either helped MGS3:S by close association or hurt MGS3:S by really limiting its sales. Also, MGS3:S can be closer to MGS3 than MGS2:S to MGS2, but given the gap between MGS2:S and MGS2, I'd like to imagine that kind of gap wouldn't be repeated again by any remake. I don't see a niche music-rhythm game that's can't do any better than it or its original game has done in the GotY polls beat one of the main three GTA games, even if it is the top game of its genre. Halo 2 wasn't able to, MGS2 couldn't, and Metroid Prime barely could on the weakest of the three. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2007 1:17:11 AM | message detail |
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Yes/yes and yes. The 2k2-PS2/overall GotY polls, the direct
comparison between MGS2 and GTA:VC against SSBM, and the
2k4-PS2/overall GotY polls would back me up on this too. As much as they "backed you up" in the Series Contest. But the GotY polls have shown to clearly overestimate GTA time and again, leaving only the dubious Vice City in the even more dubious 128 division (and again, nonlinearity comes into play there, not that VC and MGS2 were miles apart to begin with). Here's my reasoning - Metal Gear gets 67%+ on GTA according to the Series Contest. Why should I expect a different result from any given game from either series? You may feel justified in picking GTA over WC - so am I, still - but the fact of the matter is to let WC come within 45% of you, let alone beat you on ANY day, no matter what the rallying... GTA has shown its true colors. It's weak. Vercetti and CJ certainly hinted at this, with only GotY polls (which have numerous inherent flaws, most of which favor GTA) and a single Games Contest match offering the opposite conclusion. Perhaps we should take Halo over Kingdom Hearts still... --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/5/2007 1:25:43 AM | message detail |
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I don't see a niche music-rhythm game that's can't do any better
than it or its original game has done in the GotY polls beat one of the
main three GTA games, even if it is the top game of its genre. Halo 2
wasn't able to, MGS2 couldn't, and Metroid Prime barely could on the
weakest of the three. Um, I feel quite confident in saying that no GTA game would even come close to Halo 2. About as confident as I am that no GTA game would even come close to SSBM, despite SSBM losing to GTA III in the 2k1 GotY poll. You're really overestimating GTA here. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/5/2007 1:38:28 AM | message detail |
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Here's my reasoning - Metal Gear gets 67%+ on GTA according to the
Series Contest. Why should I expect a different result from any given
game from either series? Perhaps because according to the games contests, GTA: Vice City beats either MGS rep? You may think MGS had something dubious in its match, but MGS2? No real reason to think so. Mind you, I think the GotY polls are crap. It's probably like mnm said, that GTA is Master Chief like in its vote drawing. But I don't consider the series contest to be any more reliable. Those matches were too riddled with SFF to be usable, you ask me. Give me the dated, possibly dubious game contest stats over either one for determining series strength, really. --- Lopen is bye bye. Now is ninja time. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/5/2007 1:41:24 AM | message detail |
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(And yes, I know you brought up the closeness of MGS2 and Vice City in
the very same post... my point was more that "series contest stats be
useless, yar") --- Lopen is bye bye. Now is ninja time. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 7/5/2007 1:44:39 AM | message detail |
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The fact of the matter is...we need a new ****ing contest. --- *Has nothing to say at the top* WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2007 1:48:10 AM | message detail |
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The Series Contest stats are pretty bad, but when you've got a result where a game is over 67 fricking percent
on something, it's about as sure a bet as any that the game on the
upside of that is gonna win if they face head-to-head, SFF
notwithstanding. And not only is the link pretty short, it's SFF-free. I mean, dubious as the Series Contest stats are, you think I'm gonna take MG over SSB? If I could even somewhat believe I'd be all over that... but really, now. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/5/2007 1:54:55 AM | message detail |
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SFF free my ass! Mario SFFed Warcraft into the ground. Okay, I mean, I definitely put my money on Metal Gear there, but more because Warcraft beat GTA, fluke or not. Given a different pair of series in that contest that are projected to go 67-33, I could definitely see myself arguing for a close match. ... and not just because I'm what you kids call insane, either! --- Lopen is bye bye. Now is ninja time. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2007 1:56:18 AM | message detail |
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Not just, anyway. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/5/2007 2:04:11 AM | message detail |
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Dressed up as it was, that was an admission of grounds existing for such an argument to be held! Oh yes. Someone go get one. --- Lopen is bye bye. Now is ninja time. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/5/2007 6:20:46 AM | message detail |
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Considering we believe WC/GTA was a fluke and the poll just days ago
where GTA was barely behind MG, it's hard to REALLY say where it should
be. Is it really just under MG? Really doubt it, but I think GTA could
do better than 55% on WC would suggest. Um, I feel quite confident in saying that no GTA game would even come close to Halo 2. About as confident as I am that no GTA game would even come close to SSBM, despite SSBM losing to GTA III in the 2k1 GotY poll. You're really overestimating GTA here. I wasn't gonna bring up GTA3 > SSBM due to the Gamecube being out for less than two months at the time...but I'll bring up GTA:VC getting ~47% on SSBM. Both popular opinion and the Top 100 List suggest GTA3 and GTA:SA are stronger than GTA:VC too, so I don't see why they couldn't "even come close on SSBM" assuming SSBM stayed constant (for argument's sake, not out of my honest belief). --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/5/2007 6:25:22 AM | message detail |
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Oh, and in the 2k4-GotY polls, GTA:SA gained more than Halo 2 did when
it went from the first to the second overall-GotY polls. When it's down
to the final four games and Halo 2 is only showing minor rising from
the poll before, why should I think the Xbox-only game is going to
suddenly surpass GTA:SA head-to-head? --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/5/2007 8:47:58 AM | message detail |
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Oh, I should also mention GTA:SA was PS2-only at the time of the
2k4-GotY polls. I'd be a hypocrite if I said porting it to the Xbox and
PC would do wonders for the game since I was opposing huge 360-boosting
with GH2...but between that and that they now sell a TRIPLE-PACK of the
three main GTA games for pretty cheap, not to mention GTA:SA has proven
successful twice before (2k4-GotY, #11 on Top 100 List) and GTA:SA is
the strongest GTA game twice before (GTA-poll, Top 100 List), GTA:SA is
no joke around here. Think of GH2 or the series-strength of GTA as you will, but an expensive instrument-playing game that hasn't done any better than it has in the GotY polls doesn't convince me in the least bit that it can beat a GTA game...nor do I think it would come close. GH1 barely beat Tekken 5 in a poll that God of War won, and GH2 barely beat MGS3:S in a poll that FF12 won...granted, that's a huge jump for the GH series and GH3 ought to cause some bigger waves, but until then they can port GH2 to the Wii, PS3, DS, and SNES -- I'm not taking it to get 45% on GTA:VC. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Kaxon | Posted 7/5/2007 9:46:05 AM | message detail |
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I know you were just kidding about an ESPN Oracle Kax, but... I'm
not! I'd honestly love to take a crack at predicting these. Maybe you
could make a topic just to see what kind of interest you get, and if
there's enough possibly get the database rolling? Eh, eh? I don't think I even joked about it. =P Anyway, it's not gamefaqs and I'm not really interested in that contest, so I'm not going to put in the work to set up an Oracle Challenge for it. Plus, the ESPN panel counting for 30% makes the percentages pretty arbitrary. --- Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin *waits impatiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/5/2007 9:58:03 AM | message detail |
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Alright... I'm not really going to continue going on with this, because
I find your comparisons completely unfounded, and really not similar at
all. As for all the polls and whatnot, there's tons of those I could
pull up to show how horribly inaccurate they have shown to be in the
past, putting faith in them is basically a crap shoot. I won't bother
to do so though, because I don't have the links, and I'm sure you've
seen them plenty of times before. Just to note, you're trying to compare a game more than likely doubling its sales after that poll, both through continued sales on the PS2, and the release of the 360 version, to major console games being ported to handhelds. It's pretty absurd. Even if GH2 sold 1.5 million of it's 2 million sales in its first month on the market, it has doubled its sales since then. Just look at the difference between Kratos in 2K5, and then Kratos in 2K6. He went from something like 600,000 to 1.2 million copies IIRC, and the effect on his strength is pretty ridiculous. I don't think it's fair at all to simply write off the 360 version just because it's a port, or to ignore the continued success of the PS2 version. Now you bring it to the Wii, the hottest console on GameFAQs right now, a console that's pretty starved for games at the moment, and I really think it's potential isn't very far off from GTA. And for the record I too would take MGS > GTA. And pretty damn confidently. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2007 11:17:54 AM | message detail |
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Wait, he was bringing up that port stuff against Guitar Hero 2? --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/5/2007 11:36:31 AM | message detail |
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Yes. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| ZFS | Posted 7/5/2007 11:47:53 AM | message detail |
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At the random request of EC, I come bringing gifts... Total in America Guitar Hero II -- 2.5 million (PS2 and Xbox 360 combined) First Month Guitar Hero II (PS2) -- 396,000 Second Month Guitar Hero II (PS2) -- 805,000 PS2 version sales up until release of 360 version Guitar Hero II (PS2) -- 1.55 million 360 version sales to date Guitar Hero II (360) -- 672,000 --- Death by irony is always painful. |
| Yesmar | Posted 7/5/2007 11:48:53 AM | message detail |
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I'm just not sure that huge sales will matter on GameFAQS that much.
Sure it will have an effect, but just like how Madden still sucks on
this website despite all the sales it gets, I just think that Guitar
Hero is too casual too have a huge effect on GameFAQS. Kratos increased along with his game numbers doubling, but his increase also coincided with a huge increase in contest votals and the poll moving back to the top of the page. --- This is Classic Tammy.--It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2007 11:57:17 AM | message detail |
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You can't compare Guitar Hero to Madden.
We all know Madden's sales numbers are artificial due to people buying
the game every year just for the roster updates and stuff. Guitar Hero is surging right now, and it's not slowing down anytime soon. Those early polls don't do it justice because it wasn't one of those games that was hyped from the start and immediately massively popular. It is a phenomenon that has grown slowly but is on a roll now, whether it is through word of mouth, the massive demo campaign in stores, and their late marketing strategy. The game continues to fly off the shelves, and now with a multi-console release (including the Wii which GameFAQs goes crazy over), it's popularity should soar. I don't know about it beating a GTA game, seeing how that I don't trust that Warcraft poll as GTA's "true" strength (it probably lies somewhere in between that and Vice City being able to give SSBM a run). But I certainly wouldn't consider GH fodder. In a game contest, it certainly has the potential to be a solid midcarder. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 7/5/2007 12:01:05 PM | message detail |
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Amen to that MNM. --- *Has nothing to say at the top* WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Yesmar | Posted 7/5/2007 12:05:31 PM | message detail |
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I don't know about it beating a GTA game, seeing how that I don't
trust that Warcraft poll as GTA's "true" strength (it probably lies
somewhere in between that and Vice City being able to give SSBM a run).
But I certainly wouldn't consider GH fodder. In a game contest, it
certainly has the potential to be a solid midcarder. That's exactly what I think. I'm not trying to say I think Guitar Hero games are fodder. I just don't think they have much chance of beating GTAII and San Andreas or even Vice City. --- This is Classic Tammy.--It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/5/2007 2:51:20 PM | message detail |
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I'd still call GH2 high-end fodder, though I'm not against it being
higher than that...but given the nature of the game, their games'
performances in GotY polls were enough for me -- weren't people
surprised about how well GH2 did last year anyway? As for all the polls and whatnot, there's tons of those I could pull up to show how horribly inaccurate they have shown to be in the past, putting faith in them is basically a crap shoot. You may show examples of when GotY-polls have been wrong if you like, but I'd rather you show me a time when GotY-winners were wrong...the only time we've seen it happen is 2k2, and that's justified by SSBM being on a brand-new system that wasn't #1 on the site, plus you said polls like that are too old anyway Just to note, you're trying to compare a game more than likely doubling its sales after that poll, both through continued sales on the PS2, and the release of the 360 version, to major console games being ported to handhelds. Alongside porting major console games being ported to other major consoles. I mentioned SMB3 and Loz:LttP going to handhelds, yes, but don't overlook that I also pointed out upgraded versions of MGS2, MGS3, and packages with both GTA3 and GTA:VC going to new systems only to see them flop in the GotY polls as well despite knowing the original games would still perform well. Ports and remakes, for the most part, just help the original game get stronger here while the port/remake makes a fool out of itself in the GotY polls. I don't think this trend would carry over in a contest, but in GotY polls it certainly does. I really think it's potential isn't very far off from GTA. [...] And for the record I too would take MGS > GTA. And pretty damn confidently. I'd take MGS1 over any GTA game, but I don't know why you would take MGS2 to beat any of them or push your luck with MGS3 too much against any of them. The series contest isn't an accurate representation of the games' strength for GTA. Wait, he was bringing up that port stuff against Guitar Hero 2? No, I was using it against MGS3:S, though that then means I'm not impressed by what GH2 did in the GotY polls. I know it's sold alot more since then and has made its way onto the 360, so it's bound to be stronger...but I question how much of the site goes for that kind of game anyway. I'd wait until GH3 hits and shows it's good as well before I'd call for such waves being made. Forgive me for not thinking a guitar-reenacting game is going to stand side-by-side with games like Metroid Prime, Super Mario World, or the original Legend of Zelda. I don't think GH2 today could have made it into the upper half of the 128-division if every game in it stayed constant from 2k4, and I don't see reason to yet other than "It's a growing phenomenon" when it's not made its presence felt at GameFAQs yet. The GH series nearly doubling the DDR series in today's poll is the most impressive thing you can say about its strength so far here, and between DDR getting destroyed by FFT in 2k4 and the two polls below showing just how "strong" of a series DDR is (in late-2k3, admittedly, but it didn't have a surge since then to my knowledge)...I'm not feeling impressed. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1453 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1475 DDR ranked 7th out of the ten Konami series (though it beat classics like Goemon and Winning Eleven Soccer), and over 70% don't play dance games or even know what a dance pad was. The GH series isn't even doubling that today. Of course GH2 is going to be the strongest rhythm-game we've seen and by a good distance, but I'm not about to put it on GTA's level. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/5/2007 5:00:22 PM | message detail |
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Alongside porting major console games being ported to other major
consoles. I mentioned SMB3 and Loz:LttP going to handhelds, yes, but
don't overlook that I also pointed out upgraded versions of MGS2, MGS3,
and packages with both GTA3 and GTA:VC going to new systems only to see
them flop in the GotY polls as well despite knowing the original games
would still perform well. Ports and remakes, for the most part, just
help the original game get stronger here while the port/remake makes a
fool out of itself in the GotY polls. I don't think this trend would
carry over in a contest, but in GotY polls it certainly does. Yeah... but uh, GH2 is kinda the same exact game. Subsistence and Substance aren't the same thing, they were released on the same console as the original (save for Substance version for Xbox), and I really don't think it sold all that well. The 360 is actually bringing it to a whole new audience, and the sales numbers are there, not to mention the continued success of the PS2 version once again. I really don't know why you're so set against accepting it as being helpful to it. It's not even remotely in the same boat as those MGS games. --- Explicit Content. I wish Lei Fang were my mom. I'd like drug her and feel her up and stuff. - Ken |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/5/2007 5:03:36 PM | message detail |
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He's talking about how unimpressive it was that GH2 barely beat MGS3S in the GotY poll, EC. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/5/2007 5:27:41 PM | message detail |
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What Mac said, plus I don't know what's so different with porting GH2
to the 360 compared to porting GTA:VC packaged with GTA3 to the Xbox. I think both music-rhythm games and games that don't use the system's standard controller have certain limiting stigmas against them, which GH2 has both. Granted, without the guitar-controller, the GH series would have NEVER picked up, but I think there are a lot of people who aren't into getting trained for new controllers, "playing" an instrument, or the music that GH1/2 has. Throw in that I think casuals buy into it much more than GameFAQs-users do, and I don't think it has what it takes. For what it's worth, DDR was more than tripled by Final Fantasy Tactics. For GH2 to be on GTA's level, it would have to avoid being doubled by FF7. I'm not going to take that leap for GH2, even post-Wii. The GH series is gathering a lot of momentum though, no doubt. When GH3 comes out and (probably) hits all the major systems from the beginning now that people know about the GH games, I'll be alot more open to the idea if it's received well. Right now though, I can't see GH2 dealing that kind of damage. It's too early for it and its initial success was too far behind...bring up God of War if you like, but it was still easily PS2-GotY and arguably the runner-up for overall-GotY before it doubled its sales or got a sequel. In short, since I have a Final tomorrow that I must study for: I have to disagree with you about GH2 potentially being on a GTA game's level because I don't think it's been that well received yet. Once GH gets on the Wii and has made its presence known on all the major systems, I'll give GH3 a chance since many people will already have guitars and it'll be coming out with lots of hype behind it to probably all the major systems at once. That said, a game that is so unusual in both genre and controller would have to absolutely have full steam behind it AND still be a quality game (probably higher quality than GH2, even) to match or overcome a powerful game like GTA:VC, to be on the same level as a classic like Super Mario World, or to prevent a doubling from the foundation of GameFAQs. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 7/5/2007 5:32:08 PM | message detail |
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People aren't buying the latest ones. They're not out in Europe yet,
but Sonic Next Gen has only sold 360,000 and SatSR only 300,000 Um ... what? Do you want to re-check those release dates? --- Probably a good idea. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 7/5/2007 5:33:06 PM | message detail |
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A final in July...? --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/5/2007 5:35:31 PM | message detail |
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Summer classes. As soon as my Final for Greek Mythology passes
tomorrow, I then have two month-long classes that last until early
August. Too much fun..... --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 7/5/2007 5:38:10 PM | message detail |
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Ah, I see. Cramming a whole semester into a month...yikes. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/5/2007 5:38:43 PM | message detail |
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I've done that. it's a good way to get easy classes out of the way. --- xyzzy "313 down 687 to go 1000" - ertyu |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2007 5:56:48 PM | message detail |
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What Mac said, plus I don't know what's so different with porting
GH2 to the 360 compared to porting GTA:VC packaged with GTA3 to the
Xbox. That's the problem right there. You're writing off GH2 on the Xbox as a simple port. Not even close. It's unleashing a big game on the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 is much more popular than the original Xbox, especially so on GameFAQs. And I simply think you're not giving Guitar Hero 2 enough respect. I don't buy using any polls from a year ago or later because Guitar Hero's popularity has grown exponentially since then. And it still is, both on the Xbox 360 and the PS2 still. And now you have Rock the 80s coming out on the PS2 and a multi-console release (including the Wii) all within a year? I don't see how you can call GH fodder after that. I think HaRRicH just needs to play the game. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2007 6:01:10 PM | message detail |
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Also, I don't think people are meaning it can beat GTA as in rank where
GTA:VC was in 2k4 where it got 47% on SSBM. I think they are saying
that GH would be able to give GTA a run in a match. We have no idea
where GTA stands right now, so I'm not using 2k4 or the series contest stats. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/5/2007 6:38:25 PM | message detail |
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What Mac said, plus I don't know what's so different with porting
GH2 to the 360 compared to porting GTA:VC packaged with GTA3 to the
Xbox. I'm sure that the GTA Double Pack was rather more popular than GH2X360, but it also had a lot more overlap with PS2 sales. The other thing GH2 has going for it is consistent sales...it'll just keep getting higher. The GH series is gathering a lot of momentum though, no doubt. When GH3 comes out and (probably) hits all the major systems from the beginning now that people know about the GH games I very much doubt that GH3 will be as popular as GH2, especially since it's going to a different developer. It's possible, but...I dunno. Also, I don't think people are meaning it can beat GTA as in rank where GTA:VC was in 2k4 where it got 47% on SSBM. I think they are saying that GH would be able to give GTA a run in a match. We have no idea where GTA stands right now, so I'm not using 2k4 or the series contest stats. Correct. I'm certainly not saying that GH2 would beat SMW or get 47% on SSBM...I'm saying it could beat a GTA game. AFTER the Wii port. My faith in GTA games is not high, especially after the series contest, and I never would've taken any of them to beat SMW. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| H__RR____H | Posted 7/5/2007 7:16:24 PM | message detail |
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You're writing off GH2 on the Xbox as a simple port. Not even close.
It's unleashing a big game on the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 is much more
popular than the original Xbox, especially so on GameFAQs. Granted that it's a big game being ported, but you can't say any differently about GTA:VC or GTA3, especially when they're bundled together. I'll give you that the 360's more popular though. I'm sure that the GTA Double Pack was rather more popular than GH2X360, but it also had a lot more overlap with PS2 sales. The other thing GH2 has going for it is consistent sales...it'll just keep getting higher. Interesting thought, though I don't think it would have had too much more of an overlap than GH2 is. I still don't think its sales are doing much for it HERE though -- if GH2 is easily the biggest music-rhythm game and we assume that GH1 could beat any other music-rhythm game, then GH2 ought to be doing better today. GotY-polls aside, having over 50% wouldn't be too shabby if it was able to double DDR...but given that it isn't and that ~71% haven't played a DDR game (not to mention DDR's peak has come and gone since that poll) and that it did worse than Yu-Gi-Oh (sp?) in the Konami-poll, I don't accept this as being impressive. I think HaRRicH just needs to play the game. I've played it at my friend's place afew times -- it's fun when I'm drunk and trying to rock out to Monkey Wrench on Normal, ha. I'd give it a vote here and there, though I voted for DDR today (like GH, I'd vote for it here and there). I know lots of people love it and it's somewhat of a phenomenon, but I don't think that the phenom is hitting GameFAQs very hard. I very much doubt that GH3 will be as popular as GH2, especially since it's going to a different developer. It's possible, but...I dunno. I hadn't heard this. Who's it going to? As for the opinions on GTA, I won't bother on that one; I think we understand we have different ideas on where the GTA games are at now. I'm not seeing a reason to budge on my stance since I don't think GTA as a series represents the GTA games well at ALL...and even if it did, we wouldn't know how well because of Warcraft. I do ask though, just so we can be more clear when I take my next break: how much does everybody expect GH2 to get on FF7? --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2007 8:07:40 PM | message detail |
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I very much doubt that GH3 will be as popular as GH2, especially
since it's going to a different developer. It's possible, but...I dunno. There's not much you can change about having notes flying down the screen at you. They are adding a bunch of features for multi-player, but it will still essentially be the same type of game. As long as it has decent songs and challenging note charts, it will remain popular. There's little individually about GH2 that makes it special. It is just the latest Guitar Hero game, and is thus drawing all the buzz. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/5/2007 10:17:16 PM | message detail |
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Whoa...Need for Speed? Poor F-Zero...;_; --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| H__RR____H | Posted 7/5/2007 11:18:49 PM | message detail |
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1) Would anybody take the Burnout, Gran Turismo, or Need for Speed series over the F-Zero series? 2) Would anybody take ANY racing game from any of the other series over ANY Mario Kart game? --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/5/2007 11:21:30 PM | message detail |
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1) Would anybody take the Burnout, Gran Turismo, or Need for Speed series over the F-Zero series? After this poll, I might have to. FZGX had terrible sales despite being by far the greatest racing game of all time, and it's the original that got onto the top 100 list. That doesn't bode well for it in present day. 2) Would anybody take ANY racing game from any of the other series over ANY Mario Kart game? F-Zero 1 beats Mario Kart Super Circuit. A few games probably do. Burnout 3 or F-Zero 1 or Gran Turismo 3 might be able to beat Double Dash...but SMK/MK64/MKDS? No freaking way they're losing to anything else. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| H__RR____H | Posted 7/5/2007 11:27:13 PM | message detail |
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To be fair to F-Zero's newer games, it was only the orginal F-Zero that
was on the drop-down box. Then again though, like you said, they have
pretty bad sales... ...I'd still take the N64 and GC incarnations of it over the original, but I wouldn't expect them to be much stronger either. --- Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio |
| __Mega64__ | Posted 7/6/2007 6:42:30 AM | message detail |
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Too bad the GotY poll will have Brawl, Halo 3, GTA4, and possibly
Galaxy and MGS4, so we probably won't get a good read on how GH3 fares
(if it even makes it with all the strong competition for GotY). F-Zero's being robbed here. --- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1136 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/6/2007 8:38:57 AM | message detail |
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Yeah it is...though as an interesting note, I don't think there has
ever been a poll that F-Zero wasn't getting ****ed three ways here.
Today's got it pitted with Mario Kart, a really old Nintendo-poll had
F-Zero going against the very top Nintendo series (though there was no
MK in it), a GC-GotY poll had F-Zero GX against MK:DD, and the handheld
F-Zero game went up against MKSC in a GotY-poll. Hell, the fairest
match it's ever had to my knowledge is Captain Falcon getting to face
Crono...and, odd as it may sound, CF isn't a good representative of the
F-Zero series, ha. CF would make the series look too good here and
every other related match makes the series look too weak here... ...it's not like the series is going anywhere strength-wise, but I'd like to see a poll where an F-Zero game or the series isn't put against its most devastating opposition like LoZ or MK...and yes, I just put MK and LoZ together for the sake of this post, live with it! --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/6/2007 8:43:09 AM | message detail |
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I think GH3 would make it into polls somewhere...my guess would be the
multi-platform poll, which it would have a real good shot at winning
unless GTA4 is in it too. I didn't think GTA4 was coming out this year
though..... --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/6/2007 11:18:50 AM | message detail |
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Fzero will never be popular on a site like Gamefaqs, since the games
are to hard for the average Gamefaqs user. And well, Mario Kart is much
better to play with a friend than F-Zero >_> --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. |
