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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/3/2007 8:06:29 PM | message detail
okay, that I agree with. I find that when you've got a decent ownership but a small library, you sell a lot more of each individual game. TOS seems to be the best example from the last generation - compare it to TOTA and it's a joke.

Or look at the N64: in 1996, 1997, and 1998 it had the best-selling game of the year.

You're critically forgetting about install base. Surely you're not expecting 4 million sales for an average game on any of this gen's systems yet are you?

Not 4 million for an average game, no. Sonic Heroes did far better than the average. Sonic Next Gen, however, is getting decimated sales-wise by stuff like Crackdown, though. That's a big dropoff.

Heh. Europeans are usually the one's you have to worry about when it comes to Sonic. They seem to eat them up for whatever reason.

Heh, yeah, but Sonic Heroes was still pretty popular in America compared to the new ones.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/3/2007 8:13:09 PM | message detail
The Sonic games last gen sold like crap on Xbox. Almost all their sales were from GCN/PS2. 360 is a similar fanbase to Xbox and I doubt PS3 has the Sonic fanbase buying it. The move to make a game for the systems this early made no sense.
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ZFS | Posted 7/3/2007 8:24:17 PM | message detail
not I - I'd like to see a poll between Zelda and God.

Prediction: Zelda wins with 60%+.


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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/3/2007 8:28:04 PM | message detail
I doubt God's all that popular on GameFAQs, really. I can see plenty beating him.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2007 8:28:36 PM | message detail
augh ZeldaFAQs

we need GodFAQs
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Lopen | Posted 7/3/2007 8:29:11 PM | message detail
A lot of things could beat God on this site. I'd take anyone down to Ryu Hayabusa over God. He just doesn't have the fanbase here. Although he'd probably be like a mini Master Chief in that he has group that'll vote him over anybody.

I stress mini. MC takes him easy, 58%+.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2007 9:21:12 PM | message detail
*looks at poll*

Kinda thinkin' FE might've overperformed on MG...
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/3/2007 9:22:47 PM | message detail
Bah, Eternal Darkness would beat most of this poll.
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Tai | Posted 7/3/2007 10:49:30 PM | message detail
Been a while...but tag.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/3/2007 11:26:21 PM | message detail
Today's poll shows that either RE can SFF SH by virtue of being far and away the most popular survival-horror series or that FE over-performed on MG. The proof of this is that if SH got every vote in this poll that didn't go to RE, then apply their percentages to a constant RE in the Series Contest...that would put Silent Hill at Suikoden's level, and don't forget that Suikoden was behind LoZ/MMX. That doesn't do FE any favors either, as that would put it a little above Harvest Moon...

...unless, of course, you'd rather believe RE4's Wii-make boosted its entire series THIS much. If not though, RE can SFF SH and/or FE over-performed on MG.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2007 11:29:29 PM | message detail
There's obviously some overlap between RE and SH (as anyone who is familiar with both series can attest), but they have VERY different fanbases all the same. It's not enough to turn a doubling into a quadding/quintupling...

Some of it is probably just Series Contest wonkiness too, but I never bought FE hanging with Halo (and that's just interdivisional stuff!).
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transience | Posted 7/3/2007 11:30:03 PM | message detail
is this a surprise? I thought SH was doing rather well, actually.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2007 11:31:08 PM | message detail
RE is projected to get a mere doubling on SH... it's more just a commentary on the Series Contest stats than anything else. I'm not exactly surprised here.
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transience | Posted 7/3/2007 11:32:02 PM | message detail
I don't think the series contest is linear.. at all. well-known stuff will crush stuff that's rather 'cult'.

SH is pretty cult compared to RE.
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transience | Posted 7/3/2007 11:32:28 PM | message detail
then, as mentioned, you can throw in a fanbase overlap. that's inherent in every one of these polls.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 7/4/2007 12:24:00 AM | message detail
Bowser is totally boosting next Character Contest simply because of his Final Smash in SSBB >_>
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Kaxon | Posted 7/4/2007 1:24:50 AM | message detail
Now this is a silly poll. Resident evil quintupling Silent Hill, and Silent Hill simultaneously quintupling the third place option. I think that might be the sign of a niche genre.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/4/2007 1:27:10 AM | message detail
Just wait until we get a racing poll...or worse, a driving poll.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 1:46:55 AM | message detail
I fully expect Mario Kart to decimate. F-Zero and Gran Turismo would be the only other series that wouldn't be fighting to see which is the least favorite, and even then F-Zero is going to lose a whole lot of its support to MK...

...ha, also imagine a party-game poll. Mario Party and Wario Ware would annihilate any other games you would throw in their paths (Fusion Frenzy?)...unless CJay wanted to be an ass and put Halo in there, ha.
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Tai | Posted 7/4/2007 7:39:37 AM | message detail
I'm gonna predict MK gets about 2.5 times as much votes as the 2nd place franchise.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 1:09:10 PM | message detail
I would wager it would look more like the puzzle-series poll than MK only 2.5'ing second place.
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jonthomson | Posted 7/4/2007 3:41:46 PM | message detail
hmm, no contest. oh well, nothing changes I guess.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/4/2007 4:16:32 PM | message detail
Popular Vote Results Through Three Matches
Tiger Woods - 83.71% over Matt Leinart
Duane Wade - 61.43% over Shaun White
LT - 58.29% over David Beckham


I know you were just kidding about an ESPN Oracle Kax, but... I'm not! I'd honestly love to take a crack at predicting these. Maybe you could make a topic just to see what kind of interest you get, and if there's enough possibly get the database rolling? Eh, eh?

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Lopen | Posted 7/4/2007 4:32:57 PM | message detail
Halo as a party game... yes... I really do think that'd be funny. I'd like to see Final Fantasy thrown into "favorite racing series" and see if it still wins. After all, we do have Chocobo Racing...!! And that mini game in FFX and FFVII!

Who thinks Mario Kart could beat FF in a best racing series poll? I think the people are smart enough to not vote for it. It'd still get way more votes than it deserves, but... man... I bet MK and maybe even Gran Turismo both take it. Now if LoZ were put in the racing poll...

It'd be an interesting experiment. C'mon, CJay, experimental polls! I'm there!
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 4:57:52 PM | message detail
That's something to be saved for an April Fool's joke.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 9:07:38 PM | message detail
so.. how do you think Guitar Hero would fair in a games contest? I only expect it to go up from here, as it seems more casual friendly than other game on the list, the only thing that might throw a wrench into it is DDR, but I still think Guitar Hero is more average gamer friendly.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 9:13:35 PM | message detail
...as GH jumps up 3%

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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 9:17:38 PM | message detail
Guitar Hero 2 would do fair enough. It would probably be high-end fodder or something...it wouldn't be unreasonable to see it win a match, and it certainly wouldn't embarrass itself.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/4/2007 9:21:28 PM | message detail
Depends on who GH goes up against. It's not the type of game that will be a lot of people's favorites, so it would probably get crushed by a widely popular game. But throw it up against a niche game or something and it might be able to challenge.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 9:23:13 PM | message detail
I could definitely see it winning a match, considering I think it has great potential to get extremely over seeded in comparison to its strength.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/4/2007 9:24:04 PM | message detail
From PortugalTheMann Posted 7/5/2007 12:23:13 AM #130
I could definitely see it winning a match, considering I think it has great potential to get extremely over seeded in comparison to its strength.

No kidding.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 9:24:24 PM | message detail
uh... okay?

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transience | Posted 7/4/2007 9:26:19 PM | message detail
GH is fun and all, but it's a niche genre. its ceiling is not as high as a more traditional game, and I expect it would be kinda nonlinear.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2007 9:30:50 PM | message detail
Today's a good day for a GH poll, since I just beat Jordan. =D
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therealmnm | Posted 7/4/2007 9:31:39 PM | message detail
I'll be getting there soon. I just started tackling Expert.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 9:31:40 PM | message detail
its a good day for your mother, cause i just beat her

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transience | Posted 7/4/2007 9:32:04 PM | message detail
I beat normal today! freebird was disappointing.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/4/2007 9:41:16 PM | message detail
And once GH2 is out on the Wii, it'll have three systems of popularity to draw upon. I think it could do pretty well in a games contest...possibly a GTA-level game.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/4/2007 9:53:38 PM | message detail
I beat normal today! freebird was disappointing.

Disappointing???? Play it on Hard. It becomes incredibly fun. Unless you just don't like the intro. And Expert rocks my socks.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 9:59:48 PM | message detail
GTA-level?

Nu-uh. I don't think GH2 could even get 40% on SSBM, much let be GTA-level (and we saw GTA:VC in the Game Contest, the weakest of the three GTA games).




Just curious friends...but what game that doesn't use a typical controller (GH, DH, DDR, etc.) do you think would be the strongest game here? Wiimote-based games are not acceptable.....
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 10:01:34 PM | message detail
GH, definitely, and I don't think comparing to to GTA is really that unfair.

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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 10:05:22 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622

Think it is now? It barely beat the remake of a game that got owned by GTA:SA.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 7/4/2007 10:06:35 PM | message detail
40% on SSBM I still consider to be pretty damn impressive.


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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 10:07:51 PM | message detail
considering it had only been out like a month at that time, and wasn't out for the 360 yet, uh, sure.

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2007 10:09:29 PM | message detail
It'll definitely be stronger now. It's been a consistent Top 10 seller in the US since then (both 360 and PS2 versions).
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/4/2007 10:10:13 PM | message detail
also when did GTA:SA go up against MGS3?

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/4/2007 10:12:01 PM | message detail
Disappointing???? Play it on Hard. It becomes incredibly fun. Unless you just don't like the intro. And Expert rocks my socks.

Eh, I don't find playing Freebird to be all that. Too long to have much replay value for me. Plus, the incredibly awesome Hangar 18 is before that
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 10:18:44 PM | message detail
FFX won GotY when it was only out for two weeks...and Metroid Prime had about as much time as Guitar Hero 2 did, and it won GotY as well. Same for LoZ:TP.


Of course, that's an exception, and I know you're not trying to put GH2 on FFX's or LoZ:TP's level...but to be on GTA's level, you're gonna want to match MP, and the time-issue is of no concern when you compare those two. A port to the 360 when it's already been out on the PS2 for awhile isn't going to do wild wonders for it here (though it'll help), and it being a more niche game doesn't help its case either.

I think GH2 would be doing good to match Half-Life, and I can't imagine it fighting tough with MP or GTA:VC, much less GTA3 or GTA:SA.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/4/2007 10:24:29 PM | message detail
I replay Freebird all the time. Hangar 18 is cool for the first half, but then it gets all wonky.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/4/2007 10:24:44 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1872


Nevermind on GTA:SA smashing MGS3 -- I stand corrected, though GTA:SA certainly made sure it was the winner. Still though, GH2 barely beat the remake of MGS3, and these two polls should show what good a MGS-remake is in GotY polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=775
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1131
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