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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 442

dlcb1 | Posted 6/26/2007 9:50:00 AM | message detail
So there's been 6 of "What's your all-time favorite __________ series?" polls now. I'd say that's quite a trend, and I'm going to assume that that is because the upcoming Contest is a Best Series Contest. It was the next logical step in contests. These polls will weed out the pretenders.

The question is? What are the next 26 categories. I can come up with quite a few off of the top of my head.

PC FPS (Half Life)
Console FPS (Halo)
RTS(Starcraft)
Turn Based Strategy(Civilization)
Strategy RPG(FFT)
Simulation(Sim City)
MMORPG(WoW)
Kart Racing(Mario Kart)
Other Racing(Gran Turismo)
Side Scroller( SMB)
3D Platformer(Mario 64)
Horror(Resident Evil)
Scrolling Shooter(Ikaruga)
Third Person Shooter(Syphon Filter)
Stealth(Metal Gear)
Point and Click Adventure(Monkey Island)
Party Game(Mario Party)
Action/Adventure(LoZ)

I know I'm forgetting a lot. And I know you still need to break down the Sports games and Handhelds.

Hopefully the first round keeps the top three entrants. That would add a nice twist.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2007 10:10:08 AM | message detail
Interesting stuff, but I don't think we'll be seeing another Series Contest -- outside of the Character Battles, we haven't seen another contest be done twice yet (much less in consecutive years). I'm hoping this does eventually lead to a contest, but I don't think it's another Series Contest right now (or particularly want one at the time either).
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dlcb1 | Posted 6/26/2007 10:24:47 AM | message detail
I somehow forgot the series contest was last year. Don't know how that happened. But I don't think these polls are just for fun. There will be some kind of contest. It just makes too much sense for it to happen. Contests always bring in a new group of users and in invigorates the Gamefaqs community. It's good business. Last contest started in September. I'm guessing this year's will too.
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ZFS | Posted 6/26/2007 2:30:16 PM | message detail
augh no contest yet

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2007 3:09:50 PM | message detail
This is certainly not accurate, but it's worth a look...if you only count the votes between Diablo and TES in today's poll, Diablo gets 52.15% on TES. Now, if you were to try to apply that to the Series Contest, you could say one of two things:

1) Diablo should be at 16.99% on LoZ, which puts it directly between Dragon Quest and Grand Theft Auto.
2) If you think Street Fighter/Resident Evil had a huge anomaly in SF's favor, TES ends up at 13.15% (just under Diablo but well above Harvest Moon) and SF lands on 17.03% (again, between DQ and GTA.

I don't like either of those, which can be a testament of how inaccurate this method is, but it could also show that Diablo and TES are involved with anomalies like some of us already suspected. Either choice is completely reasonable to take.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/26/2007 3:11:26 PM | message detail
Huge anomaly? How "huge" are we talkin'? Huge sounds like it's going to be of ridiculous proportions.
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Lopen | Posted 6/26/2007 3:12:09 PM | message detail
So I got to thinking... when the next contest starts, how bout that analysis crew? Has any decision been made on that? I know I haven't been here during the offseason much at all, but I'm totally throwing my hat in. The fans love my unique analyses. They demand them.

Seriously, though, maybe I'll start keeping up with this topic again. Part 443... the part of Lopen. Coming soon. WATCH OUT!
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2007 7:11:31 PM | message detail
If we were to assume Diablo was constant, that would make it where SF/RE should have been a 36/64 affair...

...and there's no way that would happen. Nary a bit, I don't care how big of an overlap SF/RE might have or that the picture was THAT unfair. I don't buy Diablo being as high up as TES in the stats either though...I think Diablo's under-rated by having to face THE premier RPG series on the site without even having Diablo in its picture while SF's picture over-rated it afew points against RE. I don't think I'd take Diablo > TES in another contest, but I think they're close like what today's poll implies. If you try to justify that through the stats, put SF a lil' below 22% (where SF should have gotten ~46.5% against RE) and move Diablo up afew about 2%-3% against FF. That would place Diablo, TES, and Soul Calibur pretty tight...I'd be comfortable with that.


Then again though, it's the Series Contest...until we have another contest like it, I'm not terribly worried about its exact statistics.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2007 7:13:43 PM | message detail
Also, I don't really know if there's interest in me being a part of the Analysis Crew this year or not, but I'd like to go ahead and say I don not want to be on it this year. With everything in my life right now (and until at least late September), I don't wanna have the responsibility of making write-ups for the contest too.
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ZFS | Posted 6/26/2007 9:10:01 PM | message detail
Yeah. I wouldn't worry about anything series-related. Not like we're going to see that one again.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/26/2007 9:47:31 PM | message detail
Wait... where's the damn poll????
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Haste_2 | Posted 6/26/2007 10:03:54 PM | message detail
So I got to thinking... when the next contest starts, how bout that analysis crew?

My only thought right now is... no offense to anyone, but guys who shall remain nameless who fail to do an analysis on the majority of the matches should be booted from the crew. Threatened to be booted, at least.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/26/2007 11:18:46 PM | message detail
I agree, I'd rather have only 5/6 members of the Anal Crew if there's 9 but 4/5 just toss out a number and justify it with a quick sentence or "lol Zelda." That's not Analysis. Might as well be called the Oracle Crew then.

Speaking of which, it bothers me that many on the AC don't also compete in the Oracle. You're already guessing a result, and number, and doing so ahead of time... why not just post it in Kax's topic as well? If you're as much a Contest expert as a position in the AC ought to imply, and have put at least a little thought into all your picks, then you ought to jump at the opportunity to compete against the best that the rest of board has to over, over the course of an entire season.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/26/2007 11:21:25 PM | message detail
geez guys I'm really sorry I promise I'll win the next contest to make it up :( :( :(
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transience | Posted 6/26/2007 11:22:51 PM | message detail
no point in even discussing the analysis crew if we don't even know if we'll get another contest.

I'd be willing to do my part, though, if my participation was wanted. I wouldn't mind getting snubbed, but I always enjoy competing with my stats topic brethren.
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transience | Posted 6/26/2007 11:36:36 PM | message detail
that said, if you're talking about obvious triplings, you don't need to write five paragraphs. it's the debated matches that get two lines that are problematic.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2007 11:44:10 PM | message detail
Totally agreed (though I think you said "guys" to be nice). That said, I'd like to see a movement for even the most debated matches to be a little shorter. Not gonna lie, for the most part last contest I skimmed for predictions and didn't read too much of what anybody said save for debated matches, and KH was probably the guy I read the most of.


I do hope the Guest writers return though. That was a legitimately good idea, though I think if you happened to win a point then the guest should have the option to pick two matches from the next round instead of just one like everybody else. That would be a little bit of a reward to motivate Guest write-ups, plus I think EC had a lot of success last year so people like him could keep testing his luck if they proved worthy.
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Kaxon | Posted 6/27/2007 12:18:39 AM | message detail
Speaking of which, it bothers me that many on the AC don't also compete in the Oracle. You're already guessing a result, and number, and doing so ahead of time... why not just post it in Kax's topic as well? If you're as much a Contest expert as a position in the AC ought to imply, and have put at least a little thought into all your picks, then you ought to jump at the opportunity to compete against the best that the rest of board has to over, over the course of an entire season.

Thanks Ngamer. I've wondered the same thing, but I try not to spam people too much about the Oracle. =) It is fun though, plus doing it gives you a record of what you were thinking about each match at the time.

As far as analysis crew goes, I agree that a 5-6 person crew is better than a 9 person crew. And I'll also mention that Lopen was the only person whose analysis I never skipped over... keep him on the crew!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/27/2007 12:20:47 AM | message detail
I should totally be apart of the next Crew just because.

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Lopen | Posted 6/27/2007 2:50:13 AM | message detail
Rock on, Kaxie! You've got taste, man! (Oh, I suppose HaRRicH too... KH was possibly the second or third best)

This also proves I'm still making an attempt to reintroduce myself into the topic.

Yes. *cough* How about those series polls? How about them.
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voltch | Posted 6/27/2007 10:10:49 AM | message detail
how many top ten lists has ulti written?
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/27/2007 10:20:10 AM | message detail
5

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2007 11:16:15 AM | message detail
FYI, I've sent a feedback ticket wishing for more "What's your all-time favorite _____ series?" polls since today might suggest he's stopped that string. I sent afew genres I'd like to see polled along with it, too (FPS, racing, etc.). If you guys liked them, you may want to send a feedback ticket too -- they are the closest thing to a contest we've had in over seven months!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2007 11:26:39 AM | message detail
I didn't even get to do a full contest on the Crew! Not that I'm bitter or anything!

Seriously though, if I get put on it, great. If I don't, great. I'm fine either way.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2007 3:26:35 PM | message detail
Old top tens always motivate me to write new ones.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2007 9:29:29 PM | message detail
Back to the all-time faves now, suh-weet...

...interesting division of the FPS-games. Wolfenstein should have been in today though, because swastika-defenders are real and historic (in a bad way)!
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2007 11:41:25 PM | message detail
Guys, help me out real quick: what would you say the top five FPS games are? I just found a polling-feature on FaceBook where I can target people who have "video games" as an interest. I've got GE007, Halo 2, and Gears of War for sure, and I'm allowed two more choices...which other two should I pick? I don't wanna have two games of the same series in the poll.....


Call of Duty 2
Doom
Half-Life 1/2
Perfect Dark
Resistance
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transience | Posted 6/27/2007 11:43:29 PM | message detail
Doom
Half-Life 1/2

shouldn't even be a contest there.. Resistance has a chance but it wouldn't matter on this site since it's so anti-Sony right now.

alternatively, you could dump Doom and add PD so the Gears/Halo overlap is similar to the 007/PD overlap..
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2007 11:45:48 PM | message detail
That's what I was thinking, though I'd want to keep in mind that whatever the 5th one is (probably Half-Life 2) might have a bit of an advantage...but such is life for a mutli-choice poll.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2007 11:50:39 PM | message detail
Oh, whoa...turns out there's a fee that comes along doing this on FaceBook. Bah!

I could do a poll with a fifty-vote limit for $6 though...



...nah.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/28/2007 12:14:41 AM | message detail
Awesome, a realistic FPS poll, meaning tomorrow we'll finally get to see the Goldeneye/Halo showdown I've been talking up for years! That is, if he's smart and makes GE/PD into a series. Which he probably won't.

*cries*

Could still be cool to see how HL is able to do with the might of HL1 and 2 combined.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 12:26:11 AM | message detail
I think either Halo or Halo 2 would be stronger than the Halo series. There's still a bit of its fanbase that didn't like where Halo 2 went with the series, and I think alot of people just don't respect it as a series yet despite having very popular games (you had a comment, GTA?)...but maybe that's just me.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 12:26:56 AM | message detail
I see now you were talking about Half-Life, not Halo...but I'll leave my comment there, it's topical.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/28/2007 1:23:20 AM | message detail
Gears of War is a third person shooter, isn't it?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 8:54:24 AM | message detail
I understood it as a FPS...maybe I'm wrong though.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/28/2007 12:18:01 PM | message detail
um yeah... gears is definitely 3rd person

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 9:12:26 PM | message detail
We finally get the poll...and Halo gets snubbed for Metroid Prime/Serious Sam.

Goddammit.....



I'm also surprised at how badly Quake's getting stomped.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/28/2007 9:13:19 PM | message detail
yeah that's the first thing I noticed, too

also, I expected Metroid Prime to be really opening up on this poll. only Nintendo game, yo.
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Yesmar | Posted 6/28/2007 9:13:36 PM | message detail
What other possible FPS category is there? Vehicular Combat FPS's? I doubt Ceej would just snub Halo completely.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 9:18:19 PM | message detail
I was about to guess online-FPS...but then I realized at least half of the FPS's we've seen today or yesterday have been online, not to mention Halo's only been online for one game of its two.

CJay messed up on this one, methinks.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2007 9:19:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, it seems like Halo fits into this category better than any other, but whatever.
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Haste_2 | Posted 6/28/2007 9:20:00 PM | message detail
I have no idea. It seems CJayC has snubbed random two-game series, but has included others. He's snubbed Chrono, and now Halo.

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ZFS | Posted 6/28/2007 9:20:52 PM | message detail
Where in the world is Halo?

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 9:26:23 PM | message detail
Ha...for what it's worth, it's gonna keep us guessing about Halo 2 until another Game Contest rolls around. Halo/Starcraft had enough controversy (not to mention how much more controversy Starcraft had afterwards) and Halo's 1-seed came from the nomination-format, Halo 2 was left off the drop-down box for the Top 100 List, Halo's 6-seed was under-rated due to it being board-based in the Series Contest and was 1% away from being the Ultimate Loser in a contest that probably had the largest overlaps to date, and we know that the Xbox fanbase makes predictions/results iffy in general. Now we don't even get to see how it as a series compares to other FPS's...

...Halo 2's just going to remain a mystery until we get a Game Contest again, methinks.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 9:27:59 PM | message detail
So...what games have we seen so far that only had two games?

Hell, KH got snubbed and it's got three games.
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Haste_2 | Posted 6/28/2007 9:29:16 PM | message detail
I think the series contest showed one thing, and it's that Kingdom Hearts 2 would beat either Halo game.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2007 9:29:39 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts? Ehh, I wouldn't consider it a traditional RPG in the sense that the other games in the RPG poll were.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2007 9:30:41 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts was pretty close to the original Halo as it is, so if KHII is stronger, then yeah, it could probably take Halo. It's a strange bird though. It can't blow anything out.
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Yesmar | Posted 6/28/2007 9:30:51 PM | message detail
Hell, Half-Life only has two games technically. Would stuff like Episode 1 count if Counterstrike didn't?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2007 10:03:51 PM | message detail
Ha...it'd be nice if CJay soon had a "What is your all-time favorite ___ game?" poll to make up for Halo's absence here.
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