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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/22/2007 10:41:38 AM | message detail
YURI ALWAYS LOSES
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/22/2007 4:06:35 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero could *really* give Ryu a fight then, if not win outright.

Outright directly? I would never take that pick. Ryu would SFF'd Sub-Zero (with at least one vote! Mine!) there.

And Sub-Zero would have still beaten Master Chief without Armageddon. I never took that into consideration when I chose Sub-Zero. The guy is legitimately stronger than the Chief. I mean, he got 40% on Auron with a picture completely unrecognizable to those who never played beyond MK4 (as in, those who gave Mortal Kombat one try in 3-D and decided against it, like me!) a few weeks after Armageddon. I mean, the game's no Super Mario Sunshine, where you could perhaps see an instantaneous reaction.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/23/2007 1:20:25 AM | message detail
I think Sub-Zero has the potential to pull a Zero/Mega Man if he ever fought Ryu actually...
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therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2007 9:07:42 AM | message detail
Eh, I don't see why people are assuming that Ryu/Sub-Zero is considered to automatically be a SFF-fight. Yes, there is a shared "fighting game" fanbase and all, and Street Fighter is undoubtedly more popular than Mortal Kombat, but that doesn't mean that Ryu is automatically preferred as a character among that shared fanbase. Sure Leon, you can count yourself as one that will side with Ryu, but then I would have to jump in and say that I would be one to side with Sub-Zero. I really don't think the shared fanbase between them would skew the results outside what their natural popularity is...
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Haste_2 | Posted 6/23/2007 10:06:33 AM | message detail
I say Ryu would beat Sub-Zero with around 54%.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/23/2007 11:55:12 AM | message detail
Tee hee @ today's poll. I know it's not exactly against the toughest competition here, but still, humorous to think that we're in for SSB-anything dominating polls like this for another 8 months at the very least.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/23/2007 1:21:10 PM | message detail
It's because out of all the Nintendo franchises, SSB is truly the greatest of it's genre

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/23/2007 2:25:12 PM | message detail
Sure Leon, you can count yourself as one that will side with Ryu, but then I would have to jump in and say that I would be one to side with Sub-Zero.

Well yeah, Ryu's not going to win with 100%, of course. Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat are linked together the way that Mario and Sonic as a series are linked together. If SFII ever met an MK game in a contest match, it'd beat it down. I'd half-expect something strange to be weird about a Ryu/Sub-Zero match. I just can't see it being a normal match.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/23/2007 4:50:50 PM | message detail
Wow. SSB is looking pretty pathetic here. Has it actually gotten weaker? That doesn't make much sense.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/23/2007 4:52:39 PM | message detail
I don't see how it's looking pathetic at all.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/23/2007 4:54:55 PM | message detail
I was expecting at least 2/3s of votes, considering its dominating presence in the Series contest and the fact that Street Fighter + Mortal Kombat managed 62% yesterday.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/23/2007 4:57:26 PM | message detail
And Sub-Zero would have still beaten Master Chief without Armageddon.

You really think so? I mean, it was only 2000 votes. I'm willing to believe that less than 2% of the voting population was influenced by a recently released game.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/23/2007 4:57:52 PM | message detail
Heh, this is like how everyone was "disappointed" that SSBM "only" got 6th on the Top 100 List. Good old-fashioned overestimation.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/23/2007 4:59:29 PM | message detail
I mean, it was only 2000 votes.

Closer to 2500 votes, but I don't put THAT much stock into the immediate effect of a new release, personally, unless it's absolutely huge and sells loads right away. I don't think Armageddon managed that.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/23/2007 5:01:03 PM | message detail
Oh, and there's this poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2787

Most people don't buy games right away anyway.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/23/2007 5:04:48 PM | message detail
*checks* yeah it was like 2300, but still, point stands.

And I completely agree about games not having amassive effect straightaway, bu that's just it, we're NOT talking about a massive effect here. Like I said, less than 2% being influenced by a recent release...yeah, it seems plausible. I mean, 21-ish% and 16,000 people buy games the day they come out according to that poll, a further 20,000 wait just a few days. I can't quite remember the release time between Armageddon being released and Sub/MC, to be honest, but it was more than a week, wasn't it?
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/23/2007 5:05:53 PM | message detail
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/23/2007 5:16:46 PM | message detail
It was more like 2-3 days.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2007 8:15:38 PM | message detail
Let me ask this: how do you feel about Tails/Viewtiful Joe? I think Tails won with about 55%, and VJ had his game ported to the PS2 just days before their match. If Sub-Zero getting his ___th game about three days before his match with Master Chief gave him ~2%, how badly would Tails have beaten VJ before he had his original game (featuring Dante as a bonus, no less) released on the PS2? I mean, VJ is bound to boost even more than Subby based of that, isn't he?



I'm not against taking a minuscule bit of credit away from Subby, but not enough to cost him the match against MC. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have heard about Armageddon if it wasn't for MC/Subby, and I predict that was the same way for many people. I don't think it could have done THAT much for Sub-Zero, even if ~2% isn't that much.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/23/2007 8:20:09 PM | message detail
I'd guess the number of people that bought Armageddon and came to this site for that match is under 2500 people, to say nothing of how many changed their preferences to Sub-Zero > Master Chief because of it.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/23/2007 8:22:15 PM | message detail
If Viewtiful Joe's games sold worth anything, it might have made a difference.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2007 8:32:18 PM | message detail
As far as the first three or so days go and having a popular PS2 character added in, I'd imagine their opening sales weren't too different, ha.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/23/2007 9:08:19 PM | message detail
Ouch, an even more one-sided poll than yesterday. Tales of might be the only series to break 10% from the looks of it.

Hmmm...We'll probably get an MMORPG poll next, due to the wording of the poll question. It'll be interesting to see a Favorite Platformer poll if he does one, mostly to see how badly Mario wins.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2007 10:12:16 PM | message detail
Only to be followed by a PC-Platformer poll...

...JAZZ JACKRABBIT FOR 2K7
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/23/2007 10:20:03 PM | message detail
I totally voted Suikoden >_>
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ZFS | Posted 6/23/2007 10:26:01 PM | message detail
Now that's how you dominate a poll.


(Needs more Shadow Hearts, though!)

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2007 10:29:06 PM | message detail
I would have liked seeing Fire Emblem or Paper Mario in today's poll.....
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2007 10:29:34 PM | message detail
Oh, hey...can't wait for the racing-poll. Bring on the pain, Mario Kart!
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Haste_2 | Posted 6/23/2007 10:35:21 PM | message detail
I admit the only series I'd vote for over Final Fantasy is Lunar, and, yes, I was happy and little surprised it was one of the options.

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E_Gadd | Posted 6/24/2007 12:22:21 AM | message detail
So, does this prove RPG SFF?
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/24/2007 8:16:47 AM | message detail
Shadow Hearts HM is the worst HM ever.

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transience | Posted 6/24/2007 8:18:10 AM | message detail
more like the best.

worst is clearly AHH TEN SECOND FOOTAGE OF LINK RUNNING [gn]
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/24/2007 8:18:21 AM | message detail
20 bucks says the next contest is announced/bracket released (looool) sometime between tonight and thursday around the middle of the day, because the universe hates me, and I won't be around.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/24/2007 8:19:09 AM | message detail
He doesn't put in enough effort to Shadow Hearts, all I hear randomly is "lol shadow hearts" WHERE IS THE CREAM FILLING?

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ZFS | Posted 6/24/2007 12:15:07 PM | message detail
im sorry ec let me make it up to u

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/24/2007 1:09:50 PM | message detail
please, we all know the best HM was Crono or Snake obsessed HM
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2007 1:31:22 PM | message detail
I know I hated his FF7-binge for the sole fact that was the only time he convinced me to change a pick. Bastard!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/24/2007 1:32:01 PM | message detail
Nah, Mega Man HM and Ganondorf HM led to the most improbable upsets, so they were clearly the best.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2007 1:32:41 PM | message detail
I also hate how multi-tabbing confuses me into posting messages in the wrong topics.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/24/2007 5:10:21 PM | message detail
I'm going with Mega Man obsessed. It might have been Crono or Snake, but they got hit with bandanna-split voting.

I'm a bit surprised that Breath of Fire and Lunar got in over Wild ARMs and Mana. Could this mean three Ryus for SC2K7? *gasp*
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2007 5:22:39 PM | message detail
Ya know, there's probably going to be a PC-RPG poll tomorrow...and I'd imagine Morrowind or Diablo will take that one confidently (with the rest being far behind). It's also weird to think that CJay would be having RPG-polls that didn't include Pokemon, so maybe there's going to be a handheld-RPG poll too? It just doesn't seem right that Pokemon, Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, or even Mother didn't get mentioned in today's poll (though I understand only PM has all of its main games on console). Hell...maybe it would be a Nintendo-RPG poll.

That's just a weird poll to think about -- I just don't relate Nintendo and RPG's very often, no matter how great SMRPG was!
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2007 5:27:17 PM | message detail
I'm fully expecting a strategy RPG section, otherwise Fire Emblem got robbed.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2007 5:30:15 PM | message detail
Oooh, and hey, interesting question: what would take an FPS-series poll? Halo would be the natural favorite yet would quite possibly be upset by several series (Half-Life definitely comes to mind). Plus, I'd like to see Quake in action for a poll.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/24/2007 5:30:40 PM | message detail
Fire Emblem (boo, hiss) is predominantly known in North America as a handheld series. I'd expect to see it in tomorrow, where it gets to roll over and die against Pokemon.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2007 5:31:40 PM | message detail
Strategy-RPG, possibly. I'm not familiar with the genre though -- outside of FE and FFT, what other series would be in it? Plus, that still wouldn't explain for Pokemon and Paper Mario.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/24/2007 5:33:26 PM | message detail
Hmmm...S/TRPG poll...Final Fantasy Tactics, Fire Emblem, (Advance) Wars, Shining Force, Tactics Ogre(/Ogre Battle), Disgaea.

Hey, FE could conceivably take second! I'll take it.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2007 5:34:37 PM | message detail
I wonder if Action RPG would make a poll...
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/24/2007 5:34:51 PM | message detail
Oooh, and hey, interesting question: what would take an FPS-series poll?

We'd probably see Quake and Doom neck and neck, with the others (Duke? Unreal? Turok? Thief, depending on interpretation? Deus Ex? Heck, Goldeneye or Perfect Dark if 2 = series?) close behind. I can't see there being a runaway winner.
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