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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 6:05:53 PM | message detail
i dont know i heard he wasnt even really gods son anyway
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trannyscience | Posted 6/18/2007 6:06:29 PM | message detail
what ever
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 6:07:37 PM | message detail
is your sister available
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trannyscience | Posted 6/18/2007 6:08:03 PM | message detail
i dont have a sister and she isnt hot any way
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 6:08:25 PM | message detail
ok but if yuo did
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ZFS | Posted 6/18/2007 7:27:24 PM | message detail
Hey HM, did you make an NPD sales topic on Thursday? I'm searching the boards and can't find it anywhere... surely it didn't purge already?

Yeah. It was a disaster of a topic , but here's the goods if you're wanting to see them...


Hardware
1.) Nintendo DS -- 423,150
2.) Wii -- 338,278
3.) PlayStation Portable -- 221,120
4.) PlayStation 2 -- 187,765
5.) Xbox 360 -- 154,932
6.) PlayStation 3 -- 81,604
7.) Game Boy Advance -- 80,554
8.) GameCube -- 10,728


Software
1.) Pokemon Diamond (NDS) -- 331,000
2.) Mario Party 8 (Wii) -- 314,000
3.) Spider-Man 3 (PS2) -- 249,000
4.) Pokemon Pearl (NDS) -- 238,000
5.) Wii Play (Wii) -- 227,000
6.) Forza Motorsport 2 (360) -- 217,000
7.) Guitar Hero 2 (360) -- 184,000
8.) Spider-Man 3 (360) -- 140,000
9.) Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (360) -- 138,000
10.) Guitar Hero 2 (PS2) -- 131,000


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trannyscience | Posted 6/18/2007 7:28:38 PM | message detail
haha, put an xbox fanboy and a nintendo fanboy in a topic about video game sales and you get some dumb ass crap.

then again i just had a conversation with ec about jews and my sister
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 7:30:36 PM | message detail
so can i bang her or what
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trannyscience | Posted 6/18/2007 7:31:06 PM | message detail
no
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 7:32:42 PM | message detail
god damn it tranny you always have all the fun
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trannyscience | Posted 6/18/2007 7:33:22 PM | message detail
they dont call me tranny for nothin
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 7:34:21 PM | message detail
they dont call me sticky pants mcnasty for nothing either
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/18/2007 7:39:20 PM | message detail
Where does that leave us for Lifetime Hardware sales this generation?

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ZFS | Posted 6/18/2007 7:41:52 PM | message detail
360 is at, like, ~6 million. Wii's at ~3 million. And the PS3 is at ~2 million. I think it's something like that for America.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/18/2007 8:49:17 PM | message detail
I see the PSP is Sony's #1 right now...are they even making any money off of it though? I know the PS2 once did and the PS3 currently isn't.
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ZFS | Posted 6/18/2007 8:52:49 PM | message detail
PSP and PS2 are profitable to them. PS3 isn't yet, though.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 6/18/2007 8:59:46 PM | message detail
Like I said in the other topic, good to see the PSP not completely rolling over and dying. Sure it will never outright beat the DS, but the last few months seem to have been really good for it, and it could end up as the only handheld to put a fight against Nintendo

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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/18/2007 9:04:56 PM | message detail
NPD tallies for America:
Xbox 360: 5.6 million
Nintendo Wii: 2.8 million
PlayStation 3: 1.4 million

Kinda cool. Double double.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/18/2007 9:14:32 PM | message detail
I dunno, I think of 2004 as the "proper" result - in 2003 Cloud beats Link so the Link fans get mad and vote for Sephiroth. in 2005 Link beats Cloud so the Cloud fans get mad and vote for Sephiroth. 2004 is the only one that didn't have Cloud/Link prior and the result is a bit different.

Eh, I don't really buy this. With 2k3, it probably was true, as Nintendo fans had to choose one of two evils. I definitely could see people trying to get Cloud to lose. But 2k5? I don't think Link beating Cloud would cause that much of a difference. I mean, Cloud and Sephiroth share the same fanbase for the most part, so many of those Cloud fans probably would have voted for Sephiroth anyways.

As for 2k4, I think that definitely is an "improper" result. They stuck Cloud against Sephiroth early, so fans had to choose one out of the two that they wanted to succeed. And we had just seen the year before that Cloud was the stronger of the two, so I bet brackets and the votes that went with brackets all went to Cloud in that match. I think Seph basically got bracket SFF'd if there is such a term... A combination of the two.

Seph was able to stand up to Cloud in 2k3 outside of the possible "revenge" votes because there were no further consequence to the bracket due to it being the final match. In 2k4, if voters felt that Cloud had the best chance to take down Link, then they would naturally want Cloud to win that match against Sephiroth and voted accordingly. At least that's my theory...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/18/2007 9:19:09 PM | message detail
You put Cloud against Sephiroth today and it's basically the same result as in 2k4, I say... no factors like "bracket SFF" or "Sephy drop" or whatever... just plain' ol SFF courtesy of FF7's hero meeting up with FF7's villain. Mild SFF, I'll grant you, but that just shows us how close to Cloud Sephiroth is (there's not too many perfect comparisons for this, but it has been shown you can have a close "SFF" match, especially recently). That's the thing that makes the most sense to me at least, and allots for some Sephy overrating in 2k3 (via revenge votes or what have you) and his most accurate number being in 2k5.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 6/18/2007 9:45:47 PM | message detail
So Sephiroth and Cloud don't count obviously, because they both had a much better year in 2k3 than others.

Who else, besides Knuckles has been nearly consistant in all their matches?

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/18/2007 9:50:48 PM | message detail
stop talking
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/18/2007 9:51:46 PM | message detail
Knuckles? You must be pretending that 2k5 didn't exist.

It's usually one-shots and lowcarders that fit the "consistent" bill, and they typically don't stay around too long. The stronger characters usually stick around for a reason and are affected by the voting pools to some significant extent.

My first thought? Master Chief, he's nothing if not consistently nonlinear (Frog 2k4, DK 2k5, Sub-Zero 2k6 all come off as about the same level of strength, scaling a bit stronger up every year). His weirdest stand-alone matches was... Felix, I guess, and nowadays I find it hard to even bat an eye at that one.
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transience | Posted 6/19/2007 5:28:55 AM | message detail
consistency? uh, maybe Hayabusa. maybe Kefka, actually.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/19/2007 5:38:12 AM | message detail
Pac-Man would be the most consistent character in the contest if he wasn't shoved behind SFF constantly.
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transience | Posted 6/19/2007 5:39:31 AM | message detail
the fact that Pac-Man can be SFFed by seemingly anything makes him all the less consistent.
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transience | Posted 6/19/2007 5:39:50 AM | message detail
and actually, I'd probably say Cloud is the most consistent since 2003.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/19/2007 5:40:34 AM | message detail
the fact that Pac-Man can be SFFed by seemingly anything makes him all the less consistent.

It's only his old school Ninteno brethren (Luigi, Yoshi). Also, he was stuck behind Kefka/Crono in 2003. His 2002 value may be the only decent one we have of him.
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transience | Posted 6/19/2007 5:43:05 AM | message detail
well you could say that Ness or Yoshi are the most consistent then since they haven't really budged all that much from where we've expected them.. but then we haven't actually seen them properly yet, so who knows?
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Haste_2 | Posted 6/19/2007 10:21:48 AM | message detail
I agree that Cloud has been the most consistant character we know of since '03.

More on Sephiroth...I've got a lot of time on my hands right now (ah, I love debating nitpicky stats...=P)...

That's the thing that makes the most sense to me at least, and allots for some Sephy overrating in 2k3 (via revenge votes or what have you) and his most accurate number being in 2k5.

Two reasons why I disagree with that... one is that Cloud and Sephiroth were almost at the identical proportion as in SC2K5, so that seems like too much of a coincidence. To make it more suspicious than cases like Shadow/Tidus wackiness, there's the simple fact that there's never been good evidence of revenge votes or anything like that.

Now, to argue for Sephiroth's weakness in '04... there's not a single match that year the suggests he was at his 2K3 level. Then, Cloud/Sephiroth, Sephiroth/Vivi, and Sephiroth/Auron all suggest he was that much weaker. Yes, they were all SFF matches... but SFF -has- proven to have consistancy quite often... try doing extrapolated comparisons involving Mario/Ness/Bowser, or Yoshi/Mega Man/Link matches, or Luigi/Pac-Man/Yoshi matches, and you'll see consistancy. I'm not saying all SFF is consistant, of course (see the Mario/Link/Samus matches). Now, take note that Auron/Sephiroth predicted Cloud/Sephiroth almost perfectly. Another thing is that Sephiroth/Vivi lacking SFF does make sense... if Cloud only SFFs Auron 4-5 points, I could see Vivi, someone you'd expect to have a more remote connection to FF7, evade SFF altogether. That, and I think it's clear by now that SFF within Square is less severe and less certain to even occur than it is for SFF involving Nintendo. Plus, Vivi 2K4 matches Vivi 2K5 that way... yes, DK falls from 2K3, but if you adjust Vivi 2K4 higher, Vivi drops in 2K5. Nothing conclusive either way... but I'd rather side with the default x-stats.

Anyway, that's my reasoning of Sephiroth in 2K4... and at the same time, it argues that Sephiroth isn't all that inconsistant, at least within a single contest (forget Sp2K5).

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2007 4:59:42 AM | message detail
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__Mega64__ | Posted 6/20/2007 10:26:11 AM | message detail
I'm back.

Too bad the contests are now dead. Now we'll never know who'd win in a match between Jay Solano and Tanner.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/20/2007 4:17:20 PM | message detail
If we have lower vote totals this year, I'm blaming mid-topic ads!
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swirIdude | Posted 6/20/2007 4:30:56 PM | message detail
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__Mega64__ | Posted 6/21/2007 6:11:04 AM | message detail
Since I'm sure all the theoretical matchups have been discussed by now, why not predict which fodder characters from old somewhat obscure games would make an appearance this round?

For such a worshiped game, I'm surprised no one from Planescape: Torment has made it. Not even the talking skull. Maybe next year one of them will be the token PC character who craps out in round one.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/21/2007 7:08:05 PM | message detail
For such a worshiped game, I'm surprised no one from Planescape: Torment has made it. Not even the talking skull. Maybe next year one of them will be the token PC character who craps out in round one.

Too many to choose from (i.e. fanbase votesplit), and while the game's worshipped, it's also decently obscure. Deus Ex was massive with the PC critics, Threepwood's from a Lucasarts graphic adventure game, and the Where in... games are edutainment and thus can be found in countless primary and middle schools. PS:T just doesn't have anything on that level to go with, chief.

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__Mega64__ | Posted 6/21/2007 7:28:28 PM | message detail
What about Manny? I still don't know what the hell Grim Fandango is.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/21/2007 7:31:30 PM | message detail
Manny? Same as Guybrush - Lucasarts graphic adventure. Though yes, he's a shaky example of PC gaming. *cough*

And before you ask, Serious Sam was in 2K2 and thus doesn't count.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2007 9:22:16 PM | message detail
I'd just like to point out today's poll and how it backs up my long-time suspicions that Mortal Kombat isn't too far behind Street Fighter...and if SF falters in the morning like we've seen before, MK could make up even more ground.


Of course, one must also consider MvsC as it's probably hurting SF the worst...but the poll itself is supporting me!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2007 9:31:25 PM | message detail
MvC is hurting SF to an extent, sure, but a great deal of those fans are the kind of voters drawn to flashy, "cool" fighters... MK fodder, as it were.

If we think to stats, note how Ryu is projected to get around 56.5% on Sub-Zero, and that's with the iffy Mega Man = Sonic result making that happen. Depending on how much you think Sonic gets on MM, that match becomes that much more closer, and if you think Ryu is overrated due to the picture (I've heard it thrown around) it gets even closer.

Let's say that the new MK game (and it WILL happen) comes out by the next contest... Sub-Zero could *really* give Ryu a fight then, if not win outright. Then take into consideration how much more Ryu is supposed to be to his series than Subby, and how a MK v SF match might turn out... I would also say MK has been deceptively close, with the nomination strength of SF creating the deception in the first place. It took forever to get Subby in, but look what happened when we did...
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transience | Posted 6/21/2007 9:42:59 PM | message detail
I'm of the opinion that new games won't help all that much for Ryu or Sub. they help a little, sure, but people already have opinions on those guys prior and new games aren't going to change that. it's kinda like how Mario isn't going to boost through the roof thanks to NSMB.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2007 9:46:50 PM | message detail
New games always help to keep characters at the forefront, to answer the "what have you done for me lately" stigma that seems to affect voting so much these days. Everyone knows who Mega Man is, but I guarantee if Capcom made a new, big budget MM game (we're talking like RE4-esque), no matter what it was... he'd boost, big time. Right now Ryu is in a rut of rereleases and Sub-Zero is just kinda coasting along... but even then, without the "coaster" that Armageddon was it's doubtful he would've beaten MC.

But that's why we accounted for it in our contest predictions! And I still picked MC... ;_;
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transience | Posted 6/21/2007 9:47:41 PM | message detail
well, put it this way. there's a reason MK is on the 2d fighting game poll.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2007 9:50:01 PM | message detail
Yup - of course, most of MK's (and Sub-Zero's) popularity comes from the 2D fighters. A big reason is that fighters were just a lot more popular back then, as was the Arcade scene. Still, new games help - perhaps not even to boost the series per se, but to stem the decline into forgottenness. That's what I think MK is doing better than SF, although it clearly hasn't done so enough yet to put it over.
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transience | Posted 6/21/2007 9:59:30 PM | message detail
well, I think that regardless of MK and SF's standing in a fighting game poll, that Ryu would beat Sub pretty convincingly. you can't tell me there's no overlap there, and I think Ryu would be on the higher end.
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ZFS | Posted 6/21/2007 10:36:47 PM | message detail
Yeah. Give me Ryu over Sub-Zero every time.

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transience | Posted 6/21/2007 10:38:10 PM | message detail
never woulda expected you to say that one
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ZFS | Posted 6/21/2007 10:43:48 PM | message detail
You know me, always doing the unexpected!

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transience | Posted 6/21/2007 10:44:49 PM | message detail
quick quick yuri hyuga vs sub-zero who wins
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ZFS | Posted 6/21/2007 10:45:57 PM | message detail
oh god yuri punches his face in and wins with 99% en route to beating link


yuri hyuga 2007 campaign believe

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