GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 442
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:11:52 AM | message detail |
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As for every reason in the world to beat Yoshi... I contest that heavily. Based on past performances, he did, in my opinion. He pretty much looked better than Yoshi in every contest they shared. Well, maybe not 2004, but that was a weird year for Dante, but Yoshi still did worse against Ryo Hazuki! Regardless, I'm going to remain a skeptic on Kratos until I see it with my own eyes. I just don't believe he goes from 43% on Ryu to high midcarder in a year. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:13:36 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I don't think he has it in him to make up a 43% loss - 48% would
show a very nice boost, and I'll predict him there for now. Such a
result would also make for one very nice day vote onslaught that would
probably make that particular match more interesting than the average
52/48 affair. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:13:40 AM | message detail |
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Outdoing his performance on Bowser significantly against Mega Man By .94%? And hey, Ryu is still expected to get 55.92% on Rikku, .2% better than 2005! *remembers what I said about 2006 stats being useless* Drat. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:15:35 AM | message detail |
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Kratos is already in, like... lower midcarder range, right? Going from lower to upper midcarder with one game - a game that's more
popular than your first, and pretty much the hottest thing on the
market - yeah, I don't see the problem there. The more I think about
it, the more I keep asking myself what Dante has that he doesn't... and
if anything, I find that the opposite question is more appropriate. And I find Kratos hugely inferior to Dante from a preference standpoint. If not, I'd probably be taking the Spartan to win. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:17:10 AM | message detail |
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Even if Kratos doesn't actually beat Ryu, he's still going to give him
one really good fight. He's going to be up there regardless of whether
or not he actually ends up winning, but I'll take my chances with it
after having played GoW2 and seen all the craziness he does -- people
are eating that stuff up. I'm really looking forward to see him post-GoW3 and maybe GoW PSP. He should just be nuts then. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:18:14 AM | message detail |
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I just don't know if it's fair to compare him to Dante all the time and
talk like there's no doubt he'll follow in his footsteps. I mean, he's
not Dante, so he doesn't have to do the same things he did. Sure, it's
probably the best comparison to make, but I wouldn't talk like it's absolute either. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:19:08 AM | message detail |
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I'm working on a theory that proposes characters actually declining after appearing in PS3 games. *burns Sony effigy* --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:19:18 AM | message detail |
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Well, there's only one way to settle this. How would Kratos stand against Kirby?!?!? --- Board 8's Classiest User Since 2003 © http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1152/countcrazylogokl5.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:20:38 AM | message detail |
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By the time GoW3 rolls around, I think you're going to see a whole
bunch more people warming up to the PS3. I think you might even see
something like that after E3 this year if Sony gets aggressive with
that price drop, but that's another discussion for another time! --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:20:41 AM | message detail |
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Won't GOW3 be on the PS3? I wonder if it'll really help him out very much. But nothing is really going to convince me he makes up 16,000+ votes on Ryu. I mean, that's almost Sephiroth/Mega Man 2003-esque! --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:21:02 AM | message detail |
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He might make a match of it, but I wouldn't pick him. Even with the new
game, I don't think he's ready to stand up to Nintendo... yet. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:21:09 AM | message detail |
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By .94%? Um... it's a percent more against Mega Man. Plus, note that any overrating of Bowser in 2k5 subsequently passes on to Ryu - which makes his performance in 2k6 all the more indicative of some kind of boost/rebound. None of that really matters in discussing a head-to-head match of Ryu v Kratos of course, but remember that Kratos lost to Alucard in 2k5 - and with some mere continued healthy sales of his game, reached the level where most would agree he had surpassed him. For him to take his new game now - remembering that his first game is still selling pretty freakin' well - and make up more or less the same difference against Ryu is almost expected to me. I'd... well, I'd be surprised if Kratos didn't win there. I'd be shocked if he didn't break 49%. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:23:31 AM | message detail |
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Damn, my CSaD posts are always so vague. I should really take to
quoting my referenced posts before the next contest starts, or, at the
very least, using some god damned proper nouns. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:24:14 AM | message detail |
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Plus, note that any overrating of Bowser in 2k5 subsequently passes on to Ryu Until you consider the Bowser overperformance on Ryu, which cancels everything out and makes him okay! But still, I don't see 2005 Bowser being that far from 2006 Mega Man, who I just refuse to believe is as strong as the stats made him look. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:27:24 AM | message detail |
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He doesn't really have to gain 16,000
votes in order to beat Ryu. If there were 8500 who voted for Ryu last
time, played GoW2 over the past year and loved Kratos more, he ends up
winning by a smidge. You could probably lower that number and then
throw in some people who got sucked into the GoW2 hype that may not
have played GoW that are just new Kratos voters and so on. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:27:37 AM | message detail |
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But upon thinking about it some more, I just really don't know what to
think of Ryu OR Mega Man. Regardless, he's not nearly equal to Bowser
like the 2006 stats say. I don't even know if I could take Kratos over
Leon Kennedy. RE4 would stomp a mudhole in either GOW, and it's
multiplatform now. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:28:16 AM | message detail |
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Of course Kratos won't follow exactly in Dante's footsteps - he's
pretty much a beacon of his own. If anything, the man probably has the
potential to surpass pre-SSBB Snake. He's got literally EVERYTHING going for him. Most popular platform? Check. (that's changing now, but let's limit the discussion to the present...) Extremely casual friendly game? Check. (Dante's popularity is even more astounding in light of yesterday's poll - with such a bend toward Normal and lower difficulties, DMC's blistering difficulty and camera problems have the potential to turn off much of the site that actually even has played the game) Badass character design? Check. Lots of screaming? Check. Random boobs and sex minigame? Check. Err... you get the idea. I understand where you're coming from - I'd be skeptical too if I hadn't seen it firsthand - but simply playing the GoW series is enough to understand exactly how crazy-popular Kratos is going to be. There simply aren't many current comparisons to make, which is where the disbelief comes in. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:29:26 AM | message detail |
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That's a good point. It'll be interesting to see how RE4 does on the
Wii. Last I read, Capcom isn't expecting very much at all (something
like 420,000 copies sold worldwide). --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:29:27 AM | message detail |
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Err... you get the idea. I understand where you're coming from - I'd
be skeptical too if I hadn't seen it firsthand - but simply playing the
GoW series is enough to understand exactly how crazy-popular Kratos is
going to be. Couldn't agree more. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:30:23 AM | message detail |
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I'll probably be a RE4 Wii buyer! I've just got to see why people are so crazy about that game. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:31:33 AM | message detail |
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RE4 would stomp a mudhole in either GOW, and it's multiplatform now. Remember, there's a difference between being a Gordon Freeman and a Solid Snake of a game - the main character's role also matters a LOT. Leon falls in the middle there, but Kratos is even more to his games than Snake is to MGS. Kratos *is* God of War. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:31:39 AM | message detail |
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I'm pretty content after having bought RE4 for the PS2, myself. Great game, though. Not quite as good as GoW2, but you know! :P --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:33:35 AM | message detail |
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Badass character design? Check. Lots of screaming? Check. Random boobs and sex minigame? Check. Wow... Kratos sounds like Leonidas's long lost twin. I can just imagine it now - a Leonidas whose movie is not only casual-friendly, but actually good. That's Kratos, and that's a testament to his potential. I WILL SEND YOU DOWN TO THE DEPTHS OF HADES --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:33:36 AM | message detail |
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but Kratos is even more to his games than Snake is to MGS. Kratos *is* God of War. But Solid Snake is Metal Gear Solid! I don't care if he's not playable the entire series! --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:34:49 AM | message detail |
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Wow... Kratos sounds like Leonidas's long lost twin My liking of Kratos just went tenfold after reading that! aww yeah --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 12:35:59 AM | message detail |
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HM, you're so fickle! --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| ZFS | Posted 6/16/2007 12:36:52 AM | message detail |
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Pssh. I just hadn't even made that connection, but it's so true. Kratos is like a bald Leonidas! --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:37:31 AM | message detail |
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This Kratos love is upsetting Never mind that he's on my Top 100 Character List he doesn't deserve to beat Dante :( (but he will. oh, how he will...) --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 12:44:03 AM | message detail |
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I've only played the first game in each respective series. I prefer
Dante's cheesy badassery (dark soul, light, fill with, repeat as
necessary) to Kratos's infinitely more hardened nature, but that's just
me. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| Warsola | Posted 6/16/2007 12:46:36 AM | message detail |
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(dark soul, light, fill with, repeat as necessary) I laughed way too hard at that. --- XDragonInc: *throws shell at Metool* OnlineHost: XDragonInc rolled 1 10-sided die: 10 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:48:55 AM | message detail |
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Cheesy badassery beats generic rage every day of the week in my book~! But... Kratos just has so MUCH generic rage... also, in the first few minutes of GoW2 he *small SPOILERS* proceeds to scream "I AM THE GOD OF WAR" multiple times as he slaughters thousands with Poseidon's Rage, sexes up two random topless chicks for the hell of it (minigame !!) and, oh yeah, FIGHTS AND OBLITERATES A GIANT COLOSSUS AS HE HOPS AROUND LIKE THE ENERGIZER BUNNY ON CRACK --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 1:05:35 AM | message detail |
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Randomly shifting gears... I haven't heard anyone say that they prefer
the original Pac-Man to Ms. Pac-Man. And I mean ANYONE, and I've asked
the question more than you might think. Ms. Pac-Man is just universally
accepted as (and is) the better game. Now for the $1 and some change question - Games Contest. Pac-Man vs Ms. Pac-Man. Who thinks Ms. Pac-Man even has a *chance* of taking that match? --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 1:25:01 AM | message detail |
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Not me. Pac-Man is so old that I don't even remember which versions
I've played, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to think that this was
common among the gaming community (seriously, most people you've asked
actually have an answer?). I think Pac-Man wins simply for being
Pac-Man. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 1:31:48 AM | message detail |
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True. I guess I was mostly just alluding to my confusion about when
Pac-Man was actually in the same situation itself (y'know, against the
original Metroid in the Games Contest - because NO ONE in their right
mind prefers the original Metroid to virtually anything). I'd really like to see how a lot of 8-bit division would have stood up to the more contemporary games. Sometimes it felt as if virtually everything in that division not named SMB3 was being fueled by franchise voting... --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| transience | Posted 6/16/2007 5:15:23 AM | message detail |
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The more I think about it, the more I keep asking myself what Dante
has that he doesn't... and if anything, I find that the opposite
question is more appropriate. I agree with this. Wow... Kratos sounds like Leonidas's long lost twin. I can just imagine it now - a Leonidas whose movie is not only casual-friendly, but actually good. That's Kratos, and that's a testament to his potential. when I saw 300, I turned to my friend and said "dude, it's a God of War movie. wanna get God of War 2 after this is over?" as for Kratos? I'm of two minds. it seems tough to move up the ranks without some history behind you. that's why Kratos gets compared to Dante so often, he's one of the few without any series ties that has managed to get a real following character-wise on this site. Kratos, Master Chief, Dante.. I think those are all the new PS2 series' that are midcarders. I guess you can throw Leon in since he's essentially brand new. plus, God of War is way more popular than DMC here. I mean, just look at the top 50. GOW1 is still on the list! it's really not a FAQ-friendly game! the puzzles are always fairly obvious and it's not like the game is overly difficult. yet, it's been on that list every day for the past two years. GOW is no joke. oh, and I finally played RE4 last night. kinda fun! controls are a little awkward (not used to that style at all), but it's easy to see why people like Leon. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/16/2007 10:47:49 AM | message detail |
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I'll point out two things real quick: 1) Dante was able to get 45% on Ryu in 2k3 with DMC and DMC2 backing him. Kratos got 43% on Ryu in 2k6 with just GoW on his side... 2) ...if Kratos boosted as much from GoW2 as Dante did from DMC2, Kratos would statistically beat Luigi. Just some stuff to think about. Because of Nintendo's backing now, I couldn't take him against Luigi...but I'd take him over Kirby and probably any other non-Nintendo(/Square?) entity that's below Ryu. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/16/2007 10:49:01 AM | message detail |
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Kratos, Master Chief, Dante.. I think those are all the new PS2 series' that are midcarders. whoamig theyre porting haloz --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| transience | Posted 6/16/2007 11:25:17 AM | message detail |
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lol whoops I don't even know why I said PS2 there, I just meant new stuff --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 6/16/2007 12:05:55 PM | message detail |
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While were discussing PS2 midcarders(Even though the next guy is kind
of multi-platform), does anyone see Prince of Persia worthy of
returning, and if he does, declining or boosting? --- Masa/Hiko/HeroicTronBonne/Cory/Buddha |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/16/2007 12:40:48 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to see him return, but I don't see much reason for him now
that we've seen his strength and we solved our biggest debate with him:
he's no Kratos. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/16/2007 12:47:15 PM | message detail |
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38% on Kirby looked a lot more impressive before the puffball got beat
by Luigi worse than he did by Bowser (i.e., when he was considered
near-elite as opposed to upper-midcarder). PoP doesn't look all that
impressive in the stats (though this is somewhat lessened when you
compensate for female bracket overrating, Yoshi overrating, possible
Mega Man overrating/Sonic underrating, and possible Luigi underrating),
but there's really only so high he can go even under the best
circumstances - as was said, he ain't Kratos. If he returned? Yeah, I'd say he'd go up at least somewhat, Rival Swords was released for the Wii not too long ago and that can only help. Does he deserve to return? Maybe as a low seed in a more traditional bracket (versus Alucard, probably), but odds say no. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 6/16/2007 1:09:36 PM | message detail |
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Here's another midcarder I think we have some good reasons to have return. Fox McCloud. First off, I'm a strong believer that things such as the Melee factor didn't really kick in till say 04(>_>). Second off, he did a good number on Pikachu. Third off, he totally got screwed by the strongest character on GameFAQs ever. Fourth off, SSBB and the Nintendo Boost along with the fact that I'll wager Star Fox 64 is probably one of the most popular Virtual Console games, can only help increase his strength. Speaking of Star Fox 64, if I recall right that wasn't in the Games Contest(Correct me if I'm wrong.) How do you think it would fair in that setting? --- Masa/Hiko/HeroicTronBonne/Cory/Buddha |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/16/2007 1:35:20 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to see Fox return -- I think a Fox/Sub-Zero match could be awesome, for example. As for Star Fox 64...eh, great game, but I question just HOW good it could do in a contest. It'd be above fodder for sure, but its true strength could be anybody's guess as far as I'm concerned. I'd like to see it in a contest just for that, but...I suspect it's not all too strong. Could be anywhere though. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 1:42:07 PM | message detail |
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I'd be pretty unsure of just where to peg Star Fox 64. On the one hand,
it obviously won't have the kill-any-non-FF-game-in-your-path power
that Zelda and Mario display, but it was one of only three games (MK64
and Goldeneye being the other two) that carried the N64 through the two
year drought between Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. It could be a player. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| wavedash101 | Posted 6/16/2007 1:45:27 PM | message detail |
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You forgot Banjo Kazooie --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 6/16/2007 1:47:41 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't compare it to those other three - not in terms of contest potential, anyway. --- Watch and you'll see, someday I'll be... part of your world! yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ |
| Yesmar | Posted 6/16/2007 1:52:10 PM | message detail |
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I have my doubts that Kratos will be able to make up his ground against Ryu, assuming Ryu stays the same of course. Has GameFAQS ever really had the casual fanbase that flocks towards the blood and guts nature of God of War? I'm sure that there's a substantial number of people that do, especially with the increase in votes, but I never really got the impression that GameFAQS fanbase bent that much in that direction. 2) ...if Kratos boosted as much from GoW2 as Dante did from DMC2, Kratos would statistically beat Luigi. This is just my own personal opinion, but I've always thought that the large increase in casual voters in 2003 helped Dante out much more than DMC2 did. --- This is Classic Tammy.--It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2007 6:07:47 PM | message detail |
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2) ...if Kratos boosted as much from GoW2 as Dante did from DMC2, Kratos would statistically beat Luigi. Yeah, except for that whole Mega Man's half is overrated stuff. I'd like to see Fox return -- I think a Fox/Sub-Zero match could be awesome, for example. I have absolutely no reason to believe Fox could beat Master Chief. I suppose people don't want to believe he's weaker than DK, but I personally think he would be (at least indirectly, but I wouldn't really be surprised if DK won. I don't think Fox is as favored as people think). Do you think Cloud triples DK in 2002? 'Cause I don't. He isn't even projected to triple DK after the KH boost, so there's no way he does it in 2002. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier *waits for Games Contest announcement* |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/16/2007 7:25:06 PM | message detail |
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What the hell? An active stats topic without me? *goes to catch up* --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/16/2007 7:26:34 PM | message detail |
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Fox has also had more reason to boost since 2k2 than DK. Two Star Fox
games on the Gamecube, increased popularity of SSB/M combined with his
popularity in the games compared to DK, and Fox being announced in SSBB
already (if that counts for anything, which I doubt...but hey)...not to
say Fox would be guaranteed to beat DK or any such thing, but I'd take
the bet regardless of how they may have compared in the
ever-controversial/old 2k2 contest. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
