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LegendarySnake | Posted 6/30/2007 9:48:35 PM | message detail
Oh, you mean in terms of overall strength, yeah, I agree. Only Mario 64 is a proven commodity.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/30/2007 10:48:50 PM | message detail
Shouldn't the day vote be enough for Sonic to beat Mega Man here?
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transience | Posted 6/30/2007 11:01:43 PM | message detail
well, I didn't expect this, Sonic being so low..

normally I throw these results out, but this one's kind of interesting. I'm gonna think on it before drawing any conclusions.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/1/2007 12:20:02 AM | message detail
Hey hey, good to finally get to see DKC-something in a poll. Although this SFF-stomping isn't exactly what the doctor ordered... But yeah, I'll still maintain that DKC2 could hold its own in a Game Contest.

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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 12:59:09 AM | message detail
Shouldn't MM's fanbase overlap with SMB more than Sonic's?

I just don't buy Sonic getting SFF'd by SMB worse than any other series here, and both Mega Man and DKC have shown just as good or more reason to suffer from SMB than Sonic.



Speaking of DKC...ouch. Still though, given than SMB is in there it's not so bad...would anybody take DKC over DMC?
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Kaxon | Posted 7/1/2007 1:18:19 AM | message detail
Shouldn't the day vote be enough for Sonic to beat Mega Man here?

He's got a lot of ground to make up, considering that Mega Man's pulling in close to 30% more votes than Sonic right now.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2007 1:41:41 AM | message detail
Interesting to see Mega Man beating Sonic. Could it be the combined forces of the X and Classic series not seen in the series contest?????????
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therealmnm | Posted 7/1/2007 1:44:17 AM | message detail
And I only read Haste's post talking about Sonic, but I don't think this poll proves that Sonic gets SFF'd by Mario. I would figure that the Mega Man series would get SFF'd by Super Mario Bros. before Sonic. And seeing how Mega Man, Sonic, and Castlevania are all within the same range, I see no reason to think that Sonic is getting SFF'd, especially seeing how this is a favorites poll with multiple entries.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/1/2007 7:01:35 AM | message detail
Interesting to see Mega Man beating Sonic. Could it be the combined forces of the X and Classic series not seen in the series contest?????????

I know that the X series is the only reason I voted MM for #1 here.

He's got a lot of ground to make up, considering that Mega Man's pulling in close to 30% more votes than Sonic right now.

It's closer now than it was an hour into the poll. I expect it to continue to get closer yet.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 11:53:57 AM | message detail
Sonic's made up a lot of ground, nice. I still hope Mega Man finishes ahead though!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2007 12:19:30 PM | message detail
Everything has overlap with the Super Mario Brothers series. What was the percentage of people who'd never played a Mario game? Less than a percent, I think. No more than 2, for sure.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 12:33:12 PM | message detail
Of course there's overlap, but SFF is when there's specific favor shown in the overlapping area. I've not seen that happen yet for Mario/Sonic except for Mario/Shadow.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2007 12:45:00 PM | message detail
As far as characters go, yeah. I still refuse to think Sonic 2 is THAT weak though. Sure, his games aren't anywhere near as strong as Sonic himself, but there's no way that his series scores 5th strongest in the Series Contest if that's as strong as his strongest game gets.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 12:53:53 PM | message detail
I'd say that's his second strongest, for what it's worth, and an old poll would back me up on it...but either way, I think the series is much more respected than its games, odd as it may sound. It's kind of like the opposite of GTA, where its games are much more respected than the series. I'll point out, for example, that Sonic 2 and DMC were side-by-side in the Top 100 List (#38 and #40, respectively), yet the Sonic series went on to put up 70+% against the DMC series. REALLY rough comparison, I know, but I still think Sonic's series is more respected than its games since we've seen twice that its most/next-to-most popular game isn't that strong here.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 2:03:46 PM | message detail
I'm gonna have a lil' bit of fun here...but let's say CV/Sonic/MM land at ~14/16/18% (respectively) AND that carried over to their strengths in the Series Contest, where Sonic would beat CV just as bad as MM would beat Sonic...and for kicks, we'll say it happens because SMB/SSB was an anomaly so we can throw SSB into this too:

Mega Man's expected to beat Castlevania with 57.89%, so we'll say that MM would get 53.94% on Sonic and Sonic would get that on CV. That would put Sonic at 23.31%, right inbetween Resident Evil and Street Fighter (closer to RE). That would also land SSB at 26.88%...which is still above Metal Gear, but barely. Through this, Devil May Cry gets 13.58% (just under Diablo) and Dragon Quest falls to 12.7% (still below Diablo, now closer to Harvest Moon).


I'd take Sonic > RE head-to-head and I don't like DQ being that low...but I'd take Diablo > DMC and I've always liked SSB and MG being closer. Any comments on this placement?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2007 2:20:16 PM | message detail
Heh, SSB isn't losing to Metal Gear.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 2:52:24 PM | message detail
Never said that. I just never could agree with SSB/MG being a 63/37 affair.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2007 6:19:18 PM | message detail
I don't agree with it being nearly 50/50 either.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/1/2007 7:14:37 PM | message detail
If SSB/MG were to go down, how would you feel like it would go (last year, we'll say)?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/1/2007 7:17:03 PM | message detail
I don't know. I don't really feel like there is much difference overall between Sonic and Metal Gear. I think it'd be closer than a match between Metal Gear and SSB.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/2/2007 12:29:39 AM | message detail
Talking about SSB, there's room for all sorts of small boosting next year now. Assist Trophies are making it sound like possibly ANYTHING Nintendo-related (or even broader?) will be in the game...and that's pretty incredible.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/2/2007 9:04:25 PM | message detail
I really wish LoZ wasn't in today's poll.....
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/2/2007 9:06:12 PM | message detail
no kidding.

granted then it would be mgs slaughter, but honestly, do we need to see LoZ beat the living hell out of everything for the umpteenth time?

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trannyscience | Posted 7/2/2007 9:06:49 PM | message detail
blah, stupid early stats topics!


trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2007 12:02:26 AM | message detail
DMC vs. GOW!

..okay, it's not quite what I'd hope since Zelda's in the mix, but still, I'm curious to see how this turns out. my money's on GOW!

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/2/2007 9:07:28 PM | message detail
i would have liked to see a DMC/GoW/PoP split.

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trannyscience | Posted 7/2/2007 9:12:49 PM | message detail
oh, and this poll reinforces what we all know - that GTA kicks ass in multi-option polls. I wish Halo was in this thing, it'd be second easily.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/2/2007 9:15:59 PM | message detail
Hmm. Hitman's doing surprisingly well, so maybe Sora didn't underperform on 47.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/2/2007 9:18:22 PM | message detail
yeah, it's got 36 votes.
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ZFS | Posted 7/2/2007 9:19:17 PM | message detail
This poll is loaded with every major name you can think of for the genre. Pretty crazy.

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trannyscience | Posted 7/2/2007 9:20:06 PM | message detail
it's missing Ninja Gaiden.. would rather see that than Hitman, or MGS, or Zelda.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/2/2007 9:20:20 PM | message detail
It would have been amazing if Cjay placed Halo in this poll, instead of Hitman.
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ZFS | Posted 7/2/2007 9:21:41 PM | message detail
Tomb Raider is making an epic comeback here, yo!

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trannyscience | Posted 7/2/2007 9:22:11 PM | message detail
christ, zelda's pushing 50% now.

darn you power hour
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 7/2/2007 9:22:41 PM | message detail
wheres the metroid

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ZFS | Posted 7/2/2007 9:23:14 PM | message detail
Yeah. Ninja Gaiden could probably be here instead of something like Hitman. Wonder why he didn't throw that in there. I guess it keeps up with his whole deal about snubbing one big series from each poll.

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ZFS | Posted 7/2/2007 9:25:47 PM | message detail
I wonder if DMC manages to stay ahead of GoW...

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Lopen | Posted 7/2/2007 9:30:07 PM | message detail
My money's on DMC. It's worth more than tranny's money, being enough to buy Boardwalk, not just Batlic Avenue.
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transience | Posted 7/2/2007 9:41:46 PM | message detail
pfft, you've gone bankrupt on so many picks that I'm amazed you have money to spend.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/2/2007 10:22:08 PM | message detail
Lopen's landed on afew hotels, sure, but he's still the banker. He never runs out of money to spend...prediction-wise.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/2/2007 10:31:34 PM | message detail
Nice to see GTA save some face after the series contest. Also might be an indication that WoW did drag it down with its showing against SMB. Warcraft only managed about 19% one-on-one against SMB. GTA is pulling in 16% right now against the likes of Legend of Zelda. And surely a chunk of potential GTA votes are being taken up by MGS, DMC, GoW, etc. Given that the poll holds somewhat steady, this could indicate that either WoW is stronger than it showed against SMB or WoW fluked a win against GTA. Just one way of viewing today's poll. Just stirring up some debate.
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Yesmar | Posted 7/2/2007 10:35:42 PM | message detail
I still say that Warcraft beating GTA is the biggest fluke this site has seen. I agree with the person who said a while ago that "we saw nothing prior to that match and we have seen nothing since, to indicate that that is the way the site leans."

And I think GTA is doing quite good in today's match, since I imagine it would have a more diluted and less hardcore base than some other series. It might even come close to Metal Gear with the day vote.
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redrocket | Posted 7/2/2007 11:00:48 PM | message detail
This poll needs more Spyro.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/2/2007 11:04:43 PM | message detail
I agree with the person who said a while ago that "we saw nothing prior to that match and we have seen nothing since, to indicate that that is the way the site leans."

I think that was me!



Anyway, yeah, mnm has a point. Let GTA/WC have a rematch...I feel pretty confident in GTA taking it if it's not on a Tuesday, and even then I wouldn't think the WoW community would rally as hard against a series they've rallied to beat before, ya know? GTA got screwed, it's pretty clear.
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transience | Posted 7/2/2007 11:06:21 PM | message detail
even if GTA wins, it doesn't win 65-35 like some of us thought it would. maybe it got screwed, but let's face it -- we got owned.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/2/2007 11:06:35 PM | message detail
Also...Spider-Man should have been replaced by Ninja Gaiden or maybe Jak & Daxter, then have a poll about favorite series based on movies and let Spiderman in it.
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ZFS | Posted 7/2/2007 11:07:04 PM | message detail
There is no winner in a poll of "favorite series based on a movie."

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transience | Posted 7/2/2007 11:07:59 PM | message detail
Lion King represent, yo.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/2/2007 11:08:01 PM | message detail
Oh, I'm not trying to save face, I'm just making an observation. I was probably the biggest GTA backer here, and I know I got owned... inexplicably though!
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/2/2007 11:08:07 PM | message detail
Oh, sure, percentage-wise we got owned, not going to deny that...but GTA still hasn't ever shown a sign that it was going to lose to WC except for their close match on the worst day GTA could have faced WC.
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transience | Posted 7/2/2007 11:08:19 PM | message detail
actually, screw that, Duck Tales for life.
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