GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 441
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/6/2007 7:44:10 AM | message detail |
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I just ask myself, "who would be more popular? Wario or Peach?" and I'm finding it hard to say that Peach would be. Yeah I agree. I just can't see Peach getting above 50% on Wario. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/6/2007 10:52:31 AM | message detail |
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EC is right about Samus. ok guys why are we still posting in this topic, end the series now --- Explicit Content. Body type: Muscles, baby. ~ Durango |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/6/2007 10:58:36 AM | message detail |
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Speaking of Yuna, holding her constant might be a good idea, but she
certainly didn't seem constant. However, I really feel like the Female
Bracket was volatile as it is and more prone to overperformances. I
can't really explain it, but I certainly think that how good the
character looks could've had some effect on the voters. After all, the
site has an overwhelmingly male majority. Holding her constant would be terrible. Samus 2K5 is definitely underrated in the stats, whether it's to the degree I believe or not, is questionable, but when everyone in that division is suddenly stronger the next year, it's hard for me to believe that she was given a correct adjusting. I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe that it might just be possible that she's stronger than Mario, unless going up against him herself. She's looked better than him every year, save for when she lost to him. Mario would also probably hold up better on Link, and have more SFF power over fellow Ninty members, but I don't know about you, but I don't like basing the stats of SF, I like basing it off of raw strength, and Samus definitely has just as much as Mario, if not more. This also makes Riku's boost a lot more believable. --- Explicit Content. Body type: Muscles, baby. ~ Durango |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 6/6/2007 11:12:39 AM | message detail |
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Peach > Ness > Wario > CF --- Explicit Content. Body type: Muscles, baby. ~ Durango |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 1:07:08 PM | message detail |
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However, I would think both Samus and Yoshi could SFF Wario even
worse than they would Ness since Ness has his place with both the SSB
and EB fanbase. I personally don't buy this. The only reason Yoshi might SFF Wario more than Ness is because they're both Mario characters. I just think you're giving Ness's place in SSB way too much credit. The fact that he's top tier in the original doesn't mean squat. I doubt most of the SSB fanbase even cares about tiers. And the Earthbound fanbase isn't THAT big, you realize. If the Earthbound fanbase can only give him 25% against Bowser, it isn't that strong. I highly doubt Earthbound adds THAT much to Ness. If they play SSB in addition to Earthbound, that isn't going to do anything for him. And if people wait 'til they get into SSB to play Earthbound, I highly doubt they're going to like it that much. The game is so dated that it's hard to get into if you didn't play it back in the day. Well, I shouldn't speak for everyone, but that's how it was for me. quick, name another racing game character in these contests. Mario! ...What? Mario Kart is a racing game... --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| Kaxon | Posted 6/6/2007 1:14:42 PM | message detail |
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Cloud races chocobos... --- "Kaxon is a joke account!" - MoogleKupo141 "Kaxon = Kleenex = _kro" - Redtooth |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/6/2007 1:15:35 PM | message detail |
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It makes you wonder...... Marth would probably get 99% of his strength
from SSBM, and Roy like 85-90%, for those few of us who have played FE6
(his FE7 apperance doesn't count =P). So, you would think, that Roy would do slightly better... but Marth would probably get more votes for being the better character? Would either beat Ness? Since Earthbound is a more played game than FE6, or whatever FE Marth was in, but both swordsman are more popular in SSBM than Ness. I think it would be rather close. --- Wigs... Because Sexy Ain't Enough: ~Helping Bald People Since 1987~ Happily Married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 05 |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/6/2007 1:17:17 PM | message detail |
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If Wario weren't in Brawl, Warioware would be his only saving grace. Warioland 1 (SML3) was an awesome game though. <3 --- Wigs... Because Sexy Ain't Enough: ~Helping Bald People Since 1987~ Happily Married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 05 |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 1:18:23 PM | message detail |
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that's about the only time that the preferred characters in SSBM would
be the winner -- when they get nothing or next to nothing from their
respective games. I really, really
don't buy Ness being some pillar of strength because he was "top-tier"
in the lesser of the two Smash games, and one that's probably too out
of date for most casual players. I think most people left SSB behind
once Melee came out. that said, I'd still take Ness here. he's got a bit more history with the series and at least Earthbound was somewhat played here. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/6/2007 1:23:21 PM | message detail |
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That sounds about right. The difference I guess is wondering how much
FE6 would actually help someone like Roy, because that game is
basically at FE7's level, as far as graphics and outdatedness go (which
it really isn't outdated, from what I've seen)...... but then again,
it's Japanese only so that's a potential problem... I think I would PROBABLY take Ness, but it would be close... If Marth and Roy haven't made it yet, closer to the peak of Smash height, then they probably wouldn't beat the longer stayer (to the Smash series) in Ness now. So yeah. --- Wigs... Because Sexy Ain't Enough: ~Helping Bald People Since 1987~ Happily Married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 05 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/6/2007 1:38:20 PM | message detail |
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Between Prince Marth and Ness, I'd probably go with Ness...I'd take
Marth over Falcon, though, and most other "I get all my strength from
Melee" type characters. Although, I'd be sorely tempted to pick Prince Marth in a hypothetical Marth/CJ or Marth/Jak match...but then I'm a huge FE fan. If Marth and Roy haven't made it yet, closer to the peak of Smash height, then they probably wouldn't beat the longer stayer (to the Smash series) in Ness now. So yeah. Ness may not get a whole lot of his strength from EarthBound as compared to Melee, but I guarantee you he gets most of his nominations from fans of the former game. There's quite a difference between nomination strength and contest strength. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/6/2007 1:46:19 PM | message detail |
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Mhm, makes sense. Well, eitehr way, I don't think Marth or Roy will
ever make a contest until FE6 gets released in America *crosses
fingers*. Or until enough characters drop out of the contest for
winning. >_> That's besides the point though, but yeah, I can see those 2 having a weaker nomination force, but Ness is probably (at least I think) more recognizable, via name or via picture. That's kinda the little extra push I need for him. --- Wigs... Because Sexy Ain't Enough: ~Helping Bald People Since 1987~ Happily Married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 05 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 2:42:01 PM | message detail |
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All right, the all-time X-Stats bracket based on averages! Hyrule Division (1) Link (8) Miles “Tails” Prower (4) Luigi (5) Sora (3) Squall Leonhart (6) Strider Hiryu (2) Zero (7) Diablo Chaos Division (1) Sonic the Hedgehog (8) The Prince of Persia (4) Master Chief (5) Ken Masters (3) Tidus (6) Princess Peach (2) Solid Snake (7) Scorpion 20XX Division (1) Mega Man (8) Revolver Ocelot (4) Frog (5) Liquid Snake (3) Shadow the Hedgehog (6) Chun-Li (2) Tifa Lockhart (7) Axel Zebes Division (1) Samus Aran (8) Bomberman (4) Sub-Zero (5) Rikku (3) Auron (6) Morrigan Aensland (2) Magus (7) M. Bison Mushroom Division (1) Mario (8) Kairi (4) Riku (5) Claire Redfield (3) Yoshi (6) Tommy Vercetti (2) Ganondorf (7) KOS-MOS Jenova Division (1) Sephiroth (8) Phoenix Wright (4) Leon Kennedy (5) Vivi Orunitia (3) Aeris Gainsborough (6) Felix (2) Princess Zelda (7) Ryu Hayabusa Guardia Division (1) Crono (8) Ramza Beoulve (4) Kirby (5) Alucard (3) Dante (6) Jill Valentine (2) Vincent Valentine (7) Donkey Kong Midgar Division (1) Cloud Strife (8) Dr. Wily (4) Knuckles the Echidna (5) Yuna (3) Ryu (6) Kratos (2) Bowser (7) Wario Next, the 128 character bracket! --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2007 2:47:14 PM | message detail |
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Ness was still in SSB/M, and a kick-ass one at that for SSB, while
Wario was snubbed both games. Of course Wario's going to benefit some
from the SSBB-hype, but against Ness it won't be so much help. Since when was it not possible to like a newer character over an older one? How exactly would appearing in SSBB not help Wario against Ness? That's like saying Shadow has no chance against Tails because Tails has the older Sonic games... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 2:58:24 PM | message detail |
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128 character bracket! Hyrule Division (1) Link (16) CATS (8) Miles “Tails” Prower (9) Nemesis (5) Sora (12) Max Payne (4) Luigi (13) Kite (6) Strider Hiryu (11) Ness (3) Squall Leonhart (14) Sin (7) Diablo (10) Sheena Fujibayashi (2) Zero (15) King of All Cosmos Chaos Division (1) Sonic the Hedgehog (16) Laharl (8) The Prince of Persia (9) Sam Fisher (5) Ken Masters (12) Lavos (4) Master Chief (13) Cecil Harvey (6) Princess Peach (11) Ansem (3) Tidus (14) Ada Wong (7) Scorpion (10) Kain (2) Solid Snake (15) Ultros 20XX Division (1) Mega Man (16) Kyo Kusanagi (8) Revolver Ocelot (9) Kefka (5) Liquid Snake (12) Vergil (4) Frog (13) Crash Bandicoot (6) Chun-Li (11) Pac-Man (3) Shadow the Hedgehog (14) Terra Branford (7) Axel (10) Servbot (2) Tifa Lockhart (15) Soma Cruz --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 2:58:36 PM | message detail |
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Zebes Division (1) Samus Aran (16) Agent 47 (8) Bomberman (9) Kratos Aurion (5) Rikku (12) The Boss (4) Sub-Zero (13) Big Boss (6) Morrigan Aensland (11) Zidane Tribal (3) Auron (14) Amy Rose (7) M. Bison (10) Marle (2) Auron (15) Little Mac Mushroom Division (1) Mario (16) Joanna Dark (8) Kairi (9) Raziel (5) Claire Redfield (12) Fox McCloud (4) Riku (13) Tingle (6) Tommy Vercetti (11) Jak (3) Yoshi (14) Ivy Valentine (7) KOS-MOS (10) HK-47 (2) Ganondorf (15) Albert Wesker Jenova Division (1) Sephiroth (16) Q*Bert (8) Phoenix Wright (9) Viewtiful Joe (5) Vivi Orunitia (12) Conker (4) Leon Kennedy (13) Vyse (6) Felix (11) Isaac (3) Aeris Gainsborough (14) Dr. Robotnik (7) Ryu Hayabusa (10) Protoman (2) Princess Zelda (15) Spyro the Dragon Guardia Division (1) Crono (16) Sigma (8) Ramza Beoulve (9) Lara Croft (5) Alucard (12) Jin Kazama (4) Kirby (13) Simon Belmont (6) Jill Valentine (11) Carl Johnson (3) Dante (14) Lloyd Irving (7) Donkey Kong (10) Captain Falcon (2) Vincent Valentine (15) Nidoran F Midgar Division (1) Cloud Strife (16) Albedo (8) Dr. Wily (9) Ridley (5) Yuna (12) Gordon Freeman (4) Knuckles the Echidna (13) Geno (6) Kratos (11) Duke Nukem (3) Yuna (14) Mithos Yggdrasill (7) Wario (10) Kasumi (2) Bowser (15) Mother Brain --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/6/2007 6:10:46 PM | message detail |
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Good job, Leon! My bracket/thoughts: Hyrule Division (1) Link (8) Miles “Tails” Prower (5) Sora (4) Luigi (11) Ness (3) Squall Leonhart (7) Diablo (2) Zero Only Tails vs. Nemesis really makes first round thought. Nemmy got 45% on Ocelot. But this was a while ago. Tails got 43 on Dante, but that was the year before Nemesis and neither has shown their face since. Hard to say how Ocelot and Dante have actually changed. If Ocelot really was weak enough to start with to lose to Pac, then I gotta stick with Tails. (1) Link (5) Sora (3) Squall Leonhart (2) Zero I will continually refuse to give into Luigi's strength. Fine. He beat Zero and Kirby. He has gotten stronger. But the thing is Sora has got a LOT stronger. When a new Mario game gets released, Luigi doesn't get a large boost. Sora benefits from this kind of stuff, and the KH front has been active. Yeah, that's a week argument, so for now, I'll just stick with the "Mega Man = Sonic. Sora did better on Mega than Luigi on Sonic". I'd look for upset potential in Diablo > Zero. (1) Link (3) Squall Leonhart Two years ago, Squall vs. Zero would be a greta matchup. Zero, in my eyes, has dropped off a larger power scale in losing to Luigi, and in showing Kirby is stronger than he is. (1) Link "lol" --- Wigs... Because Sexy Ain't Enough: ~Helping Bald People Since 1987~ Happily Married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 05 |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/6/2007 6:23:33 PM | message detail |
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Chaos Division (1) Sonic the Hedgehog (8) The Prince of Persia (12) Lavos (4) Master Chief (6) Princess Peach (3) Tidus (7) Scorpion (2) Solid Snake Sam Fisher? Last we saw of him, he blew up vs. DK. Hehe. I have no idea what to think of Ken anymore. Rehold that match, he doesn't break 37% on Sonic. I liked how Lavos did in that contest, though I would've liked him to do better. No matter how strong KH gets, the master of DARKNESS will ALWAYS be the guy who almost lost to the chosen one. I will do the rest of my eval later because I am getting tired. =P --- Wigs... Because Sexy Ain't Enough: ~Helping Bald People Since 1987~ Happily Married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 05 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 8:27:59 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Marth over CF for sure, but I don't think I'd take him over
Ness. Marth is as close to being JUST SSBM, and Ness was an
SSB-original that has his fans. I'd say people prefer Marth over Ness
in SSBM for sure, but in general with the series? Not so sure...plus
Ness again has EB to back him up at least for some kind of firm
fanbase. Add to it that Ness is proven himself to some degree (he was this
close to matching Scorpion in 2k4, before the Nintendo Boost or
SSBB-hype), and I'll give him the edge here. Not even I like the idea
of a nearly-SSBM-only character being able to get that high, but
Marth's mighty liked. As for the tier-comments...it's not just tiers, it's popularity in the series too. Ness may have been a high tier, but he was also really well liked by those who weren't competitive players...and those often go hand-in-hand, with Ness and Sheik being good examples. Fox and Marth would do well in both categories too. Kirby's somebody who isn't top-tier (in SSBM at least, don't remember about SSB), but he's still rather popular as far as my anecdotal evidence goes. I'd think Jiggly would do rather well with the more competitive players, too, although be hardly supported by the more casual... ...but let's not get too complicated, ha; I just wanna show there's a difference in being high-tier and being well-liked in SSB/M, and Ness has been both alongside being an SSB-original. Given that we've never had a clear reading on him outside of his comparison with Scorpion/Tails and we haven't been able to judge him since the last two big movements for Nintendo at GameFAQs... ...it's unfair to really give guys like Wario the benefit of the doubt against him just because he was in the SSBB-trailer and we saw Mario and Bowser SFF Ness before. Don't forget that Ness got 35% on Auron in 2k4 while Wario got 35% on Shadow in 2k3...that's pretty hefty, Auron pre-KH2 or not. Ness is going to control the SSB-vote (if not dominate it), EB-fans are probably more dedicated to Ness than Warioware fans are to Wario, and Wario is NOT going to get more than an iota of the SFF-advantage that Mario and Bowser had with their SMB-association. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 8:54:20 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, I highly doubt SSB-only Ness fans are going to be overly loyal to him when it comes to a fellow Nintendo character. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 9:30:15 PM | message detail |
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Wario's main popularity comes from Mario side-games like Mario
Kart/Party/Sports, where his differences with other characters are
rather minimal, and the Warioware series where he still isn't terribly
focused on. To compare him to another side-character with their name in
the title, does he even match Zelda's exposure in the LoZ games within
his Warioware games? He's never been in a true Mario console game, and
I don't think he was in many true Mario handheld games (a villain in
SML3 and an optional character in SM64DS, I think? Correct me if I'm
wrong)... ...and SSB would beat those down, SSBM even moreso, and the SSB series would crush all the series represented there outside of the SMB series (and SSB still impressed like nobody's business against SMB last year). I'd take EB against probably any Warioware, Mario Party, or Mario Sports game too. I'd imagine most of the Mario Kart games would beat it, though it wouldn't matter if SMK could beat it or not since Wario wasn't in it. Throw in again that Wario's not taking the SSB-vote from Ness and the Auron-2k4/Shadow-2k3 comparison, and I can't imagine Wario winning. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| Gaddswell | Posted 6/6/2007 9:32:11 PM | message detail |
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Wario was required in SM64DS because he's the only one that can turn metal. --- The law of II > III > I might be most applicable to Xenosaga. - Fuzzles |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/6/2007 9:35:25 PM | message detail |
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...serious overanalyzing. Especially since Wario has actually BEEN in a
contest before, and (even adjusting Shadow down as much as you
reasonably can) is stronger than Ness could EVER be without SSB. Ness'
victory wouldn't even be assured to me before Wario got into Brawl.
After it? Really? --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2007 9:42:22 PM | message detail |
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HaRRiCH, everyone knows who Wario is. It doesn't matter what his roles
were in his games. He's been around long enough that everyone is
familiar with him. And now he is also a new
character in SSBB, which means he gets a little bit of extra attention.
You're really overanalyzing the "advantage" Ness has over Wario. It
really is non-existent. As I said, just because Ness was in previous SSB games doesn't mean that fans should automatically like him more... Especially when we're talking about comparing him to a classic already well known Mario character. This isn't Pit we're talking about... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 9:52:31 PM | message detail |
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...and SSB would beat those down, SSBM even moreso, and the SSB
series would crush all the series represented there outside of the SMB
series Yeah, and Ness is still barely able to break the fodder line. What does that tell you? The fans have more loyalty to the game than to its characters. Honestly, being in SSB doesn't help Ness at all now that Wario's in the game. Ness is the one who loses the advantage, not Wario. I'd take EB against probably any Warioware, Mario Party, or Mario Sports game too. Uhhh...If you really think Earthbound is going to beat Mario Party or a Mario sports games, you think way too much of Earthbound. Of course, I could already tell that by the way you're talking about Ness's Earthbound votes as if they're a serious factor. He'd basically be a Laharl at best without SSB, which means that don't amount to much. And yeah, Wario's relative lack of exposure in Mario console platformers is irrelevant because he's in practically every other Mario game known to man. I thought the guy was practically a lock to get in SSBM, and I think a lot of people were surprised when he wasn't. Throw in again that Wario's not taking the SSB-vote from Ness This is like saying Ness would negate the SSB vote against.......well, anybody recognizable. Sorry, Ness isn't getting the advantage there. You're seriously overrating how loyal SSB fans will be to Ness or how big of a factor it is. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 9:54:44 PM | message detail |
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Wario was required in SM64DS because he's the only one that can turn metal. Oh, hey, I forgot he was in that. Yeah, there's no worries from me about him beating Ness. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 9:55:58 PM | message detail |
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HM, you got any sales numbers for various Wario games? --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 10:00:45 PM | message detail |
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These are a bit older, but here's what I got from a bunch of his games, although they're worldwide numbers... Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land GB 5.19 Warioland 3 GB 2.20 Warioland 4 GBA 2.16 Warioland 2 GB 1.48 Wario Ware GBA 1.03 VGCharts has WarioWare Touched at 500,000 in America (2.15 million worldwide) and WarioWare Smooth Moves at 550,000 in America (1.6 million worldwide). --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 10:02:18 PM | message detail |
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Wario's more popular in Japan? Wouldn't have figured that...Either way, those numbers are enough for me to favor him. What did SM64DS sell, by the way? --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 10:03:01 PM | message detail |
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2 million in America and going, I believe. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2007 10:07:12 PM | message detail |
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I don't think sales numbers mean all that much for Wario. He's been a Nintendo staple since 1992 and has been in a ton
of games. I mean, do we try to find out how well Yoshi's games sell to
determine how strong he should be? Wario's in the same boat... except
he's not as popular as Yoshi. But single games and sales simply aren't
a good determiner of his popularity. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 10:09:28 PM | message detail |
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None of this stuff is really too important for the matches we're
discussing, I don't think. It's easier to just boil it down to what it
is -- a Mario character against a lesser known Nintendo character.
Wario could be weaker indirectly and I think he'd still wallop Ness. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 10:21:07 PM | message detail |
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1) I'm picking it apart because I find some of these arguments flawed and commonly believed, which leads me to this... 2) ...no more hypothetical "if Ness wasn't in SSB/M and was only in EB, then Wario would certainly win"-like "points" -- they're pointless. You could say "if Sub-Zero wasn't in the MK fighting games and was only in Mythologies, then Wario would certainly win"...but why would you? What notable difference is there here, outside of EB > Mythologies and SSB > MK here (though I'm not saying Ness > Sub-Zero)? Certainly none that would help Wario's case PLUS it wouldn't matter since it's already happened, so I'd like to never hear that brought up again. 3) For as popular an idea as Samus (r)SFF'ing Solid is, it's nothing shy of hypocritical to hear that Wario would (r)SFF Ness. 4) I guarantee Wario was more well known than Shadow was in 2k3, but Shadow toppled Wario. Donkey Kong and Princess Peach are two Mario examples that go to show it doesn't always get you anywhere, and Pikachu is another Nintendo character saying it loud and clear. How about Pac-Man, while we're at it? A Ness/Wario match would be almost strictly between Nintendo fans, and given the popularity of SSBM (#6-#7 game on the site), the SSB series (easy #4), and the N64/Gamecube (just over 85% has one of the two)...then exposure shouldn't be such a disadvantage for Ness. 5) You're right in that it doesn't mean people automatically like Ness more than Wario, but at least he's shown he's liked. Again, can't stress it enough...Ness got 35% on Auron-2k4 compared to Wario getting 35% on Shadow-2k3 (see my first point). Wario only beat Waluigi and Peach in both Mario-polls, and I don't think Wario'd beat Peach head-to-head. Sure Wario's well-known, but what's he done with it? --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 10:26:16 PM | message detail |
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3) For as popular an idea as Samus (r)SFF'ing Solid is, it's nothing shy of hypocritical to hear that Wario would (r)SFF Ness. Except it isn't. Wario was already a Nintendo character who had been in plenty of Nintendo games before being announced for Brawl. Completely different circumstance than the one Solid Snake is in. And you are seriously overthinking this. I know you're a proponent of giving Ness more credit than he gets, but for cryin' out loud, he's not a more favored character just because he's been in SSB and Wario hasn't been yet. He'd still get SFF'd, and if previous matches are any indication, SSB fans aren't that loyal to him. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2007 10:26:43 PM | message detail |
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Sure Wario's well-known, but what's he done with it? Gotten into SSBB. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/6/2007 10:28:21 PM | message detail |
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I guarantee Wario was more well known than Shadow was in 2k3, but Shadow toppled Wario. Shadow also happens to look extremely similar to a *certain* character... Yes, Wario bears a passing resemblance to Mario, and it's not like Luigi is on Mario's level of strength, but I'd still wager the majority of Luigi's votes are at their core based on him being "the green Mario" and little more. Shadow's entire character design is based on him being an even COOLER version of Sonic. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 10:32:17 PM | message detail |
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but I'd still wager the majority of Luigi's votes are at their core based on him being "the green Mario" and little more. You take that back! Mario's "the red Luigi!" --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| Gaddswell | Posted 6/6/2007 10:47:04 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi = Luigi Mario = Red Luigi Wario = Yellow Luigi Waluigi = Purple Luigi Peach = Pink Luigi Toad = Mushroom Luigi Bowser = Badass Luigi Link = Luigi with a sword! --- The law of II > III > I might be most applicable to Xenosaga. - Fuzzles |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/6/2007 10:48:13 PM | message detail |
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I'm sorry, did that last topic finally get filled up? WOW --- Official Greatest GSB User Mike Awesome Tourney Winner WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/6/2007 10:50:10 PM | message detail |
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Also, after playing several dozens Wario games as well as Warioware:
Smooth Moves, I'd hafta say Wario deserves another shot in a Character
Contest. But that's probably what you guys have been discussing for the
past 50 or so posts. --- Official Greatest GSB User Mike Awesome Tourney Winner WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 10:57:34 PM | message detail |
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Gotten into SSBB. Wario/Pit would be a close match then? Except it isn't. Wario was already a Nintendo character who had been in plenty of Nintendo games before being announced for Brawl. Completely different circumstance than the one Solid Snake is in. Considering Ness is in high favor in the SSB series like Samus is (probably anyway -- she's super strong given her games and series) and Wario was expected well before the SSBB trailer which arguably got him outclassed by the excitement caused by Solid Snake, Meta-Knight, and Pit...I don't think you can fairly say it's some completely different circumstance. Shadow also happens to look extremely similar to a *certain* character... [...] Shadow's entire character design is based on him being an even COOLER version of Sonic. gg tidus Let me ask these questions: how come any SMB character can seemingly get SFF on other Nintendo characters, or how come Ness seemingly can't avoid SFF against any other Nintendo characters? It's like since we've seen Mario/Ness and Bowser/Ness that any other Nintendo SFF-match involving SMB characters would be like Mario/Samus... ...how much lower on the Mario-totem poll do you want to give this miraculous power to SFF/rSFF such characters when you're giving this much to a Mario-character as loosely connected to the Mario world as Wario is? Aren't you guys the ones who tell me EB has a real concentrated fanbase and it's because of games like that the Top 100 List should be forever ignored? Why blame Ness being open to SFF against Mario and Bowser when Mario demolished last year's bracket-champion and Bowser was once upon a time favored by many to rSFF Ganondorf to a victory? ...I ain't gonna lie guys, I'm gonna take a break -- this is the first non-trolling contest-related moment I can think of that's honestly pissed me off, which is amazing considering I'm not too big of a fan of Ness. Also, homework doesn't help my case. I'll chime in again tomorrow...and maybe this is a sign I'm too attached to GameFAQs? I dunno..... --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 11:00:43 PM | message detail |
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what's to get angry about? we're just disagreeing with you. if you're going to voice an unpopular opinion, you should expect to have to argue it! I dunno, a Mario character beating an Earthbound character seems rather obvious to me. I don't think anything you're gonna throw at me statistically is going to change my mind here. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 11:01:06 PM | message detail |
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I don't think you can fairly say it's some completely different circumstance. But it is a completely different circumstance. Aren't you guys the ones who tell me EB has a real concentrated fanbase and it's because of games like that the Top 100 List should be forever ignored? Because it makes a difference in things like the Top 100 List because there isn't that much involvement as compared to an actual poll. And Wario isn't THAT loosely connected to the Mario world. Honestly, unless you stopped gaming after the SNES, you PROBABLY know who Wario is. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/6/2007 11:01:48 PM | message detail |
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I'm just now coming into this topic, and I'm gonna tell you right now,
I think Wario has enough strength of his own at this point, that he
wipe the floor with Ness regardless of how much involvement he has in
the Mario universe. Lets ****ing face it, other than his appearance and
being in **** like Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc, hes got jack to do
with Mario characters as a whole. The Warioware series attests to that. --- Official Greatest GSB User Mike Awesome Tourney Winner WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2007 11:07:56 PM | message detail |
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Lets ****ing face it, other than his appearance and being in ****
like Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc, hes got jack to do with Mario
characters as a whole. Uhhh, that's a pretty damn big part of being a "Mario" character... --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/6/2007 11:29:39 PM | message detail |
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<_< the point is hes not really in any main Mario platformers in any huge role >_> --- Official Greatest GSB User Mike Awesome Tourney Winner WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2007 11:30:11 PM | message detail |
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We're in dire need of a bracket if we're arguing Wario vs Ness. ~*ST*~ --- 2/4/2007 - SUPER BOWL CHAMPION COLTS!! Now Playing: Final Fantasy 3, Guitar Hero 2, Final Fantasy 12 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 11:33:28 PM | message detail |
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What are you talking about? Wario's in SM64(DS)! We're in dire need of a bracket if we're arguing Wario vs Ness. This reminds me of last year before the contest when we spent like an entire topic arguing Peach/Chun-Li. (I still say Chun-Li wins!) --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/6/2007 11:36:31 PM | message detail |
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Jill totally got screwed in the female bracket. I don't care what Ulti
says and his Smash-Turnips say, Jill is just a cooler character than
Peach :P --- Official Greatest GSB User Mike Awesome Tourney Winner WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/6/2007 11:37:13 PM | message detail |
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And Leon, you've got to remember, this is Hiko here. I talk out of my ass every now and then...>_> --- Official Greatest GSB User Mike Awesome Tourney Winner WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
