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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 441
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 9:30:54 PM | message detail |
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because Konami makes all kinds of games. honestly, there is nothing
similar about MGS and Castlevania: DOS. different consoles, different
styles, different genres, different gameplay, different everything.
there's no such thing as a Konami fanboy because they've got all
different kinds of games! MGS, Suikoden, Castlevania, who knows what else.. these games are not similar! it's not like Square, or even Nintendo, who has different genres but the same style overall. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 9:39:45 PM | message detail |
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Actually, I take back what I said about holding Yuna constant. The idea of Aeris dropping THAT much seems...weird. Honestly, holding Rikku constant isn't THAT bad of an idea, I don't think, in spite of her being in the Dream Division. She was projected to get 31.8% or so on Samus in 2005 anyhow, but then again, 2005 Samus is an absolute guess anyway, so that's probably just coincidence. Bleh, I just think there are way too many anomalies to work out something conclusive. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 9:43:31 PM | message detail |
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yep, that's why I made my own stats and don't argue over them much. let's see what I did.. - I adjusted Yoshi's fourpack off 2k5 Dante; - I adjusted Tifa's division off the assumption of 2k5 Ryu = 2k6 Jill; - Zelda and Yuna's divisions are based off KOS-MOS 2k3 = KOS-MOS 2k6; - Sonic and Crono's divisions are based off Luigi 2k5 = Luigi 2k6; - I adjusted Tidus using Kirby 2k5 and Bowser 2k6; - everything else (Snake's fourpack, Samus's division, Sora's division) is based off a constant Squall. you probably won't like the Squall idea and I don't blame you, but it did make for nice numbers. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 9:48:00 PM | message detail |
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It's really hard to argue for or against constant Squall since his 2006
contest involves an SFF beatdown and Solid Snake, but after KHII, I
doubt he was constant. Regardless, there's not a lot to go on with him. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 10:09:23 PM | message detail |
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Here's what I came up with... Solid Snake – 43.70 Samus Aran – 42.83 Sonic the Hedgehog – 39.34 Mega Man – 39.04 Crono – 38.73 Vincent Valentine – 37.70 Yoshi – 37.44 Squall Leonhart – 37.07 Dante – 37.03 Princess Zelda – 37.02 Tifa Lockhart – 35.76 Ganondorf – 35.74 Sora – 35.70 Auron – 35.25 Riku - 33.55 Bowser – 32.97 Ryu – 32.76 Aeris Gainsborough – 31.93 Yuna – 31.82 Luigi – 31.32 Kirby – 29.87 Leon Kennedy – 29.37 Zero – 29.00 Sub-Zero – 28.46 Kratos – 28.10 Master Chief – 27.92 Rikku – 26.55 Ryu Hayabusa – 25.77 Gordon Freeman – 25.75 Tidus – 25.30 Princess Peach – 25.00 Jill Valentine – 24.99 Chun-Li – 24.92 KOS-MOS – 24.49 Axel – 23.53 The Prince of Persia – 22.88 Lara Croft – 22.16 Kairi – 22.15 Phoenix Wright – 21.53 Claire Redfield – 21.23 Captain Falcon – 20.02 Marle – 19.30 Sheena Fujibayashi – 18.98 The Boss – 18.20 Tingle – 17.41 Ada Wong – 17.32 Ivy Valentine – 17.04 Amy Rose – 16.93 Soma Cruz – 15.60 Kasumi – 15.58 Nidoran F – 15.55 Terra Branford – 15.22 CATS – 15.15 Celes Chere – 14.17 Joanna Dark – 13.97 Lenneth Valkyrie – 13.28 Roll – 13.17 Sarah Kerrigan – 12.57 Cortana – 11.11 Carmen Sandiego – 10.31 Alyx Vance – 9.95 Princess Daisy – 8.45 Jade – 8.35 Yeah, I know EC won't like Snake > Samus, but either way, I think it's close. I worked from a constant Luigi for the males, and I didn't really make any other adjustments other than adjusting Tidus off of Kirby here for SFF. Yoshi's four-pack is likely overrated, in my opinion (I personally don't buy Riku > Bowser, for one), but I didn't do anything with it. For the females, I used a constant Rikku for Samus's division, a constant Chun-Li for Zelda's half, and I assigned an arbitrary value for Peach, admittedly. They aren't the greatest stats in the world, but I needed something for what I'm about to do... --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 10:16:29 PM | message detail |
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Whoops, left out Alucard somehow. Put him at 25.10. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 10:17:51 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man went up, huh? I'll never trust that division. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 10:25:15 PM | message detail |
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If I really knew what to do with him, I'd adjust Mega Man down, but I'm
not sure the problem is with his division or Sonic's half, really. I'd
sooner blame the latter. I have a hard time calling what Mega Man did
an overperformance. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 10:27:05 PM | message detail |
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if anyone needs adjusting down, I'd say it's Snake. I don't think he's
beating Mario now, "SFF" or not, and I'd be good with everyone dropping
down a point or two. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 10:44:44 PM | message detail |
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Ehh, once again, I just don't know what to do there. It's not like it
particularly matters anyway. If Samus is pulled from the bracket, we
know Snake is going to kill anything he touches. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 10:48:02 PM | message detail |
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Anyway, here is an all-time X-Stats Bracket. Basically, I compiled
every single stats ranking together, and I used the highest rankings in
descending order to determine seeding. Basically, the highest ranking a
character has ever received determined the seeding here. I'll do one
with averages later. Hyrule Division (1) Link (8) Kasumi (4) Yuna (5) Luigi (3) Ganondorf (6) Chun-Li (2) Tifa Lockhart (7) Morrigan Aensland Chaos Division (1) Sonic the Hedgehog (8) Sam Fisher (4) Zero (5) Jill Valentine (3) Tidus (6) Vivi Orunitia (2) Crono (7) M. Bison Mushroom Division (1) Mario (8) Bomberman (4) Knuckles the Echidna (5) Ken Masters (3) Magus (6) Ryu Hayabusa (2) Squall Leonhart (7) Strider Hiryu FOXHOUND Division (1) Solid Snake (8) Raziel (4) Master Chief (5) Leon Kennedy (3) Kirby (6) Gordon Freeman (2) Dante (7) KOS-MOS 20XX Division (1) Mega Man (8) Miles “Tails” Prower (4) Aeris Gainsborough (5) Sub-Zero (3) Ryu (6) Tommy Vercetti (2) Yoshi (7) Diablo Jenova Division (1) Sephiroth (8) The Prince of Persia (4) Frog (5) Alucard (3) Auron (6) Donkey Kong (2) Princess Zelda (7) Felix Zebes Division (1) Samus Aran (8) Axel (4) Riku (5) Kratos (3) Shadow the Hedgehog (6) Rikku (2) Vincent Valentine (7) Wario Midgar Division (1) Cloud Strife (8) Lara Croft (4) Liquid Snake (5) Claire Redfield (3) Sora (6) Princess Peach (2) Bowser (7) Scorpion --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 10:48:10 PM | message detail |
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it doesn't matter for Snake. it matters for everyone underneath Snake. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 10:50:35 PM | message detail |
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Well, it really only matters in regard to the positioning between males
and females, and most of those females won't be back anyway.
Regardless, having a bunch of wackiness will help make for a more
unpredictable contest, which is always good. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 11:05:31 PM | message detail |
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agreed. I was just talking for the purpose of making "good" stats, which clearly do not exist with a contest like this one. ..that's what happens when you let the noble nine go at each other like that. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 11:06:17 PM | message detail |
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It's a wonderful thing. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 11:07:14 PM | message detail |
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yeah. obviously, when you get that popular you're going to have a lot
of fanbase overlap. fixing these stats is mostly a matter of figuring
out where things deviated from the norm between them all. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 11:21:44 PM | message detail |
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And for something crazy, a 128 all-time X-Stats bracket! Huzzah! Hyrule Division (1) Link (16) Agent 47 (8) Kasumi (9) Kefka (5) Luigi (12) Ansem (4) Yuna (13) Lavos (6) Chun-Li (11) Max Payne (3) Ganondorf (14) Dr. Robotnik (7) Morrigan Aensland (10) HK-47 (2) Tifa Lockhart (15) Mithos Yggdrasill Chaos Division (1) Sonic the Hedgehog (16) Albert Wesker (8) Sam Fisher (9) Nemesis (5) Jill Valentine (12) Crash Bandicoot (4) Zero (13) Big Boss (6) Vivi Orunitia (11) Sheena Fujibayashi (3) Tidus (14) Tingle (7) M. Bison (10) Ridley (2) Crono (15) Soma Cruz Mushroom Division (1) Mario (16) Pikachu (8) Bomberman (9) Revolver Ocelot (5) Ken Masters (12) Conker (4) Knuckles the Echidna (13) Kite (6) Ryu Hayabusa (11) Vyse (3) Magus (14) Ada Wong (7) Strider Hiryu (10) Ness (2) Squall Leonhart (15) Mother Brain Patriot Division (1) Solid Snake (16) Laharl (8) Raziel (9) Kairi (5) Leon Kennedy (12) Zidane Tribal (4) Master Chief (13) The Boss (6) Gordon Freeman (11) CATS (3) Kirby (14) Lloyd Irving (7) KOS-MOS (10) Duke Nukem (2) Dante (15) King of All Cosmos --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 11:21:54 PM | message detail |
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20XX Division (1) Mega Man (16) Ultros (8) Miles “Tails” Prower (9) Phoenix Wright (5) Sub-Zero (12) Terra Branford (4) Aeris Gainsborough (13) Ryo Hazuki (6) Tommy Vercetti (11) Protoman (3) Ryu (14) Cecil Harvey (7) Diablo (10) Kratos Aurion (2) Yoshi (15) Spyro the Dragon Jenova Division (1) Sephiroth (16) Sigma (8) The Prince of Persia (9) Pac-Man (5) Alucard (12) Jak (4) Frog (13) Vergil (6) Donkey Kong (11) Marle (3) Auron (14) Ivy Valentine (7) Felix (10) Kain (2) Princess Zelda (15) Sin Zebes Division (1) Samus Aran (16) Nidoran F (8) Axel (9) Dr. Wily (5) Kratos (12) Isaac (4) Riku (13) Geno (6) Rikku (11) Fox McCloud (3) Shadow the Hedgehog (14) Simon Belmont (7) Wario (10) Viewtiful Joe (2) Vincent Valentine (15) Little Mac Midgar Division (1) Cloud Strife (16) Kyo Kusanagi (8) Lara Croft (9) Ramza Beoulve (5) Claire Redfield (12) Carl Johnson (4) Liquid Snake (13) Jin Kazama (6) Princess Peach (11) Servbot (3) Sora (14) Amy Rose (7) Scorpion (10) Captain Falcon (2) Bowser (15) Joanna Dark --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 11:22:54 PM | message detail |
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Oh yeah, and Kerrigan did not make the bracket. Poor girl. She almost
made it though! She was just two away, behind, uhh...Q*Bert. Yeah... --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/5/2007 11:28:15 PM | message detail |
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(3) Shadow the Hedgehog (6) Rikku (2) Vincent Valentine (7) Wario WARIO REDEEMS HIMSELF AGAINST SHADOW AWW YEAH --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2007 11:30:36 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of Wario, he was the Guru choice from the last contest, right?
I suppose it's worth discussing where he might end up then. Do you take
him over Ness or Princess Peach? --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/5/2007 11:31:14 PM | message detail |
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SNAKE-LIKE BOOST FROM THE BRAWL TRAILER --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/5/2007 11:53:26 PM | message detail |
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Certainly not Ness...and he better have made leaps and bounds from 2k3
to beat Peach. He's always been behind her in the Mario-polls, he's not
one of the original Mario characters and you don't see him in any
traditional Super Mario console game, and his games are too quirky to
help with mainstream. Smooth Moves will have to sell really well for
him to bump up much, and even then from when I played it he was hardly
the focus of the game. Nintendo boosts over the past two years aside, I
don't see him jumping that much...even with all the re-exposure he's
getting with SSBB. He'd be doing spectacular to beat Peach. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 12:21:36 AM | message detail |
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You think he takes out Captain Falcon? He seems to be about as close to
the 20% on BL line as it gets, so basically, this is asking if you
think Wario will be fodder or not. Personally, I like the guy and I thought more people did, but whatever... --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 12:22:34 AM | message detail |
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Wario beats Ness. *shrug* --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 12:25:14 AM | message detail |
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Wario is bound to do better than people like Ness and Captain Falcon
just by association with Mario. Doesn't hurt that he's in Brawl and has
his own games that actually are well-known and sell. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 12:36:43 AM | message detail |
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Wario through Shadow-2k3 was at the fodder-mark back then, and since
then we've seen Shadow exposed pretty bad...any strength Shadow might
have gained after 2k4 is irrelevant here; that puts Wario noticably
below the fodder line. if he's made that up over the years, cool, but
that's a steep climb for even a Nintendo character. I'd take him over
Captain Falcon via that virtue you mentioned of him being a Mario
character as well as his name being much more familiar than Captain
Falcon's...but you won't see me take him over Peach, and
underestimating Ness like that is doing him a disservice. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 12:40:51 AM | message detail |
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screw the stats in this case. hell, Warioware
is probably about as popular as Earthbound, and now they've both got
SSB to their repertoire. that doesn't even begin to count all the games
Wario has appeared in. look away from the stats for a second - who do
you think is more popular, Wario or Ness? also, if you're going to look at the stats, remember this is 2003 Wario. Wario's gotten a lot more popular since then. Warioware is not a game that is going to become well-known instantly. it takes time for a game like that -- ask Katamari Damacy. honestly, Wario's weakest year would have been 2003. now, add in how strong Nintendo has become since then and you've got someone that's at least stronger than Captain friggin' Falco. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 12:43:35 AM | message detail |
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Nah, based on 2003 Shadow, Wario was plenty above the fodder line.
Heck, he was above Yuna back then. Of course, now we know better, but
still. If you assume that 2004 Shadow is the same as 2003 Shadow, then Wario stands at around...18.78 on BL, which IS fodder, about on the same level as Crash Bandicoot. He's probably above the line now, and he might not need to be directly stronger than Ness to beat him head-to-head, really. I mean, comparing Wario to Mario and Bowser isn't exactly fair, but you saw what they did to Ness. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 12:46:54 AM | message detail |
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Peach just confuses me on multiple levels. I have no idea how someone
could like Peach more than Wario, but I wouldn't take him over her.
Then again, I'm not taking Ness
over Peach, either. When I look at Ness and Falcon, it's two lesser
known Nintendo characters against a Mario character. I don't even need
to look at stats to figure out who's more likely to win that one. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 12:47:40 AM | message detail |
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yep, that's how I feel too. Peach beats all of the bums listed in this topic. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 12:49:31 AM | message detail |
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heh, now that you put it that way, arguing Ness/Wario with stats reminds me of Mario/Samus on some miniscule level. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 12:56:50 AM | message detail |
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Ness was still in SSB/M, and a kick-ass one at that for SSB, while
Wario was snubbed both games. Of course Wario's going to benefit some
from the SSBB-hype, but against Ness it won't be so much help. Earthbound's still a firm fanbase for Ness, however cult/popular it may be -- we've seen no such thing for Wario. We've seen Mario and Bowser blow Ness to bits through SFF, sure, but those are also your two strongest Mario characters AND have shared the SSB series with Ness. We talked about Solid being rSFF'd by Yoshi and Samus because of SSBB-hype VS SSB-appearances, and it's not like Wario is going to be so different because he's a low-end Mario character. Wario doesn't have those same advantages... ...however, after looking the Mario-polls over, I'll correct myself: Wario outdoes Peach in both of them, not the other way around, so he's shown SOME ability to have fans in a multi/SFF-poll...I'm suddenly more self-conscience about this match, admittedly, but I'd have to see Wario beat Peach or do better than that before I'd give him hope against Ness. After seeing Wario get 35% on Shadow in 2k3, I'd think he's got a lot of gaining ahead of him if he's going to get 34% on Tifa. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 1:00:11 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=634 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2328 Mario polls, for reference. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 1:01:21 AM | message detail |
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The fact that Wario is getting in Smash Brothers at all should be
enough to push him over Ness head-to-head. You say it won't be much
help, but it negates the one advantage Ness has over him. Get that out
of the way, and it's an uphill battle for him to beat Wario. Honestly,
you think Ness would have approached the fodder line without SSB? Put
them on level SSB ground, and who has the advantage? Wario. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 1:03:05 AM | message detail |
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And after looking over those old polls, I still say Toad would be an
interesting character for the contests. He could either be a decent
low-midcarder or bad fodder. Either way, it makes for a little
unpredictability. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 1:04:58 AM | message detail |
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I don't see how you're going to claim Solid falters against Yoshi and
Samus then if you're going to argue for that, especially since Wario
was arguably the most expected newcomer of the bunch (if you don't
count ZSS) and Ness is as liked or moreso than Samus or Yoshi in the
SSB series. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 1:07:06 AM | message detail |
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Oh, and without SSB? Almost certainly not, but since he made it in and
was popular, that also picked up the steam again for Earthbound -- I'd
dare guess that without SSB/M, Doom would have nearly doubled EB back
in 2k4. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 1:08:07 AM | message detail |
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I never said Snake faltered against Yoshi due to SFF. I personally
think it's a preposterous claim because if that's what Yoshi gets on
Snake without SSBB, he's wayyyyyyyy behind Bowser. And Ness would get slaughtered by Samus and Yoshi, "SSB favorite" or not. Don't overhype the tier rankings here. Bowser blows in SSBM, and he crushed Ness. Being a SSB favorite doesn't really count for THAT much. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2007 1:09:40 AM | message detail |
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You're saying Earthbound did better than it should have because of SSB?
I can't believe that at all. The two games have absolutely nothing to
do with each other. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| ZFS | Posted 6/6/2007 1:10:48 AM | message detail |
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That's really on Ness in SSB. Ness wasn't any better or anymore liked
than Samus or Mario or whoever in SSBM. I don't even think it really
counts for that much in actual matches, anyway. Mario could be the
worst character in both SSB games and Ness could be, by far, the best,
and Mario still beats him down just as bad as he did before. --- Called "Godslayer" by some, feared by most. |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 1:27:10 AM | message detail |
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I was playing Smash with some friends this weekend and they asked me
what the hell Ness was from. I said Earthbound and they said "what?" when did Ness become a bastion of strength, anyway? he's 21, 22%. CF is absolutely nothing to the F-Zero world and he's at what, 19%? 20%? yeah, Ness is all Smash and I expect him to be exposed against anybody that's even moderately known from Nintendo. Wario fits that bill. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 1:29:40 AM | message detail |
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Since Solid's matches with Yoshi and Bowser were mentioned, it's worth
pointing out that they both faced off in the sprite rounds...and Bowser
had much more of an advantage picture-wise than Yoshi did. I wouldn't
call that a fair comparison of different Solid's in sprite rounds for
different years...though if you were to do that, statistically speaking
and coincidentally, I think that puts a Bowser/Yoshi rematch pretty
close to how it went in 2k3. Oh yeah, Ness wouldn't stand a chance against Samus or Yoshi -- obviously, that wouldn't be a match worth doing. However, I would think both Samus and Yoshi could SFF Wario even worse than they would Ness since Ness has his place with both the SSB and EB fanbase. It's also worth pointing out that Mario beat Ness a good deal worse than Ness-2k3 (unadjusted) projected. Some of that's because "it's friggin' Mario", but Wario is no Mario by any stretch of the imagination. Some of that is because Mario is no Bowser when it comes to SSB/M, too, so he can take away more of Ness's SSB fanbase. Wario would hardly be effective at doing that -- he'd be like Bowser, maybe a little better since people hope he's worth playing as. I'll change directions though and ask this so I can go to bed: what if Shadow was somehow legit in 2k3 but dropped just enough to keep Shadow/Tidus a good match, meaning Wario was where he should have been in 2k3? I remember most of us feeling comfortable with where he was at then, and if he really should have been at that level then he'd certainly kick Ness's ass now. I think we gave up making Wario look right so we could make Shadow look right, plus such a drop for Shadow would have been weird...but I'll propose that idea to see what ya'll think. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2007 1:36:28 AM | message detail |
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No, I'm saying that fans of Ness later checked out EB and became fans of EB...not that the SSB fanbase in general backed up EB. CF barely matched on Crono-2k6 what Ness-2k4 (unadjusted, before Nintendo boosts or SSBB-hype) was supposed to get against Crono-2k5. Throw in that we've never had a clear reading of Ness, and I'd feel comfortable thinking Ness gets more than 22% to CF's 19-20%. SERIOUSLY sleeping this time, g-nite. --- PETITION: a "Contest Suggestions" board. Life-changing details below: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=35717580 |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2007 1:39:48 AM | message detail |
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nite! No, I'm saying that fans of Ness later checked out EB and became fans of EB...not that the SSB fanbase in general backed up EB. I've heard this argument before in regards to Final Fantasy. "people liked FF7 and went back to check out old titles!" what actually happened was that people played the newer ones and the old ones basically got left behind. I honestly don't think SSB increased EB interest more than marginally. "hey, this guy's kinda fun. let's go track down his game and play it!" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think he's more popular than CF, but then I think CF is the definition of what you'll get if you've got SSB and nothing else. quick, name another racing game character in these contests. the first one that comes to mind is... Tanner. --- xyzzy *waits patiently for CJayC to announce a Game Contest* |
| redrocket | Posted 6/6/2007 2:13:37 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2124 Crono (2006c) VS Vincent (2006c) Crono has a strength of 38.11. Vincent has a strength of 37.09. Crono wins with 51.34% of the vote! A win of 3,350 with 125,181 total votes cast. How do you guys think a Crono/Vincent rematch would go this year? --- http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/Link_the_Midgit/1179258678407.gif http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/Link_the_Midgit/1179270000285.gif |
| greatone10 | Posted 6/6/2007 3:00:10 AM | message detail |
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Tanner isn't even in a racing game. The Driver series is more of a GTA style game. --- RIP Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005 Rufus Shinra made me look like Jade in the Guru contest. Wario/Monkey Island for 2K7! |
| Luis_Sera89 | Posted 6/6/2007 4:25:40 AM | message detail |
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I'd go as far as to risk taking Wario over Peach, regardless of where
they may be in the overall stats (well, not regardless but I'm assuming
they're fairly close). I just ask myself, "who would be more popular? Wario or Peach?" and I'm finding it hard to say that Peach would be. --- "Eet's game time..." |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/6/2007 4:52:17 AM | message detail |
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quick, name another racing game character in these contests. Full blown Racing character only right >_>? Also, I dont belive CF had the video spammed like crazy back then, but my memory sucks so I could be wrong <_< --- "A Bundy never wins, but a Bundy never quits" -Al Bundy Number of Times Ive No-Sold Attacks in 2007: 4 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 6/6/2007 7:18:20 AM | message detail |
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I never said Snake faltered against Yoshi due to SFF. I personally
think it's a preposterous claim because if that's what Yoshi gets on
Snake without SSBB, he's wayyyyyyyy behind Bowser. ...now that that idea is brought up, it is somewhat intriguing. Let's say Yoshi exposed Snake to his 2K5 level...and that the picture made no difference, since Snake's face was more visible than his sprite in Yoshi/Snake. Or, let's say that the match is legit due to Yoshi's picture advantage cancelling out with whatever strength Snake didn't lose from Yoshi's SSB advantage. That brings Yoshi to 31.68% on BL, a little above Luigi, and close to Bowser. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
