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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 438

Mac Arrowny | Posted 3/8/2007 6:13:39 PM | message detail
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I remember a long time ago someone said Mario could win the next character battle with his next game.

I'm starting to think he might have been right.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 3/8/2007 7:02:14 PM | message detail
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 7:07:47 PM | message detail
wtf fact or fiction

fact or fiction: Cloud would beat Snake worse than Link would
fact or fiction: Mega Man would SFF Ganondorf/Zelda
fact or fiction: SSBM would get SFFed by Mario 3 or Link to the Past
fact or fiction: Sonic's new game on the Wii will give him a significant boost
fact or fiction: Super Mario Galaxy will put Mario up there with Sephiroth
fact or fiction: Midna will be the strongest "new" character in the next character battle
fact or fiction: God of War 2 will make Kratos stronger than Leon Kennedy
fact or fiction: Twilight Princess would beat Mario 3 in a game contest
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Big Bob | Posted 3/8/2007 7:08:34 PM | message detail
Fact or Fiction: We're tired of filling out "Fact or Fiction" polls
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/8/2007 7:09:11 PM | message detail
Whoa, haven't seen fact or fiction in forever.

fact: Cloud would beat Snake worse than Link would
fiction: Mega Man would SFF Ganondorf/Zelda
fiction: SSBM would get SFFed by Mario 3 or Link to the Past
fiction: Sonic's new game on the Wii will give him a significant boost
fiction: Super Mario Galaxy will put Mario up there with Sephiroth
fiction: Midna will be the strongest "new" character in the next character battle
fact: God of War 2 will make Kratos stronger than Leon Kennedy
fact: Twilight Princess would beat Mario 3 in a game contest
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Latkje | Posted 3/8/2007 7:10:16 PM | message detail
Fiction: Cloud would beat Snake worse than Link would
Fiction: Mega Man would SFF Ganondorf/Zelda
Fact: SSBM would get SFFed by Mario 3 or Link to the Past
Fiction: Sonic's new game on the Wii will give him a significant boost
Fiction: Super Mario Galaxy will put Mario up there with Sephiroth
Fiction: Midna will be the strongest "new" character in the next character battle
Fact: God of War 2 will make Kratos stronger than Leon Kennedy
Fact: Twilight Princess would beat Mario 3 in a game contest



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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 3/8/2007 7:12:09 PM | message detail
Fact or Fiction: We're tired of filling out "Fact or Fiction" polls

FACT
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 3/8/2007 7:13:23 PM | message detail
Also, the day Midna is the strongest new character, or shows any amount of strength period, is the day GameFAQs contests are dead >_>
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:14:26 PM | message detail
fact or fiction: Cloud would beat Snake worse than Link would

At this point... Link's too strong, Snake has too much Ninty support. Cloud got more of Snake's support than Link, but it won't be enough. Fiction.

fact or fiction: Mega Man would SFF Ganondorf/Zelda

Assuming he's still stronger... tentative Fact, more confident on SFFing the 'dorf than Zelda.

fact or fiction: SSBM would get SFFed by Mario 3 or Link to the Past

Fact to the latter, not so much for the former.

fact or fiction: Sonic's new game on the Wii will give him a significant boost

Fact. They always do.

fact or fiction: Super Mario Galaxy will put Mario up there with Sephiroth

Um... hopeful fact? Meaning Fiction, in all probability.

fact or fiction: Midna will be the strongest "new" character in the next character battle

Can't see her beating Balthier. Fiction.

fact or fiction: God of War 2 will make Kratos stronger than Leon Kennedy

...yeah, I'll buy Fact.

fact or fiction: Twilight Princess would beat Mario 3 in a game contest

I'd detest every moment of it. Meaning probable FACT. <<
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wavedash101 | Posted 3/8/2007 7:14:31 PM | message detail
Well then I guess Gamefaqs is gonna be dead when the next contest rolls around...

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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:20:11 PM | message detail
But, uh... Midna beating Balthier would mean that people are expecting Balthier to be... well, really weak. Midna won't be Tingle-level fodder, but I can't see her standing up to a guy like Wario.
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Latkje | Posted 3/8/2007 7:21:29 PM | message detail
Err, I think Midna would rock Wario no question. She is actually liked among those who have played Twilight Princess, even moreso than Ganon and Zelda within the game.

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Lady Ashe | Posted 3/8/2007 7:22:27 PM | message detail
I know I would anti-vote Wario. >_>
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 3/8/2007 7:23:18 PM | message detail
Honestly, I'm finding Midna bland so far. Maybe my opinion will change when I'm done.
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Latkje | Posted 3/8/2007 7:24:56 PM | message detail
I'm not sure how far you are, but most people's opinions on her do change by the end of the game.


And I would take Balthier over her in the next contest without a problem, but she shouldn't be weak.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:27:03 PM | message detail
Midna just doesn't have the stuff. She'd need to have something significant to put her above everyone sans Link in the series so far to put her over Wario with TP alone... can't see it happening. Meanwhile, Balthier, while a wild card still has a damn good shot at being past at least, say, Tidus. That's all but an impossibility for Midna in my eyes, seeing as how I can't see her above Wario and even if she was, Tidus beat the guy who doubled up on him.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 7:35:40 PM | message detail
I think Midna would rock Wario. Balthier... well, who knows. Balthier has such a huge range that he could be anywhere. Midna will certainly be well above Tingle though, and I'd say she's definitely above the fodder line.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:43:12 PM | message detail
Wario rocks Tingle if you go by NGamer's adjustments, more than I could ever see Midna rocking him... now, point, Wario is overrated to all hell thanks to Mario/Shadow, but so is just about everyone in 2k6 relative to other years going by NGamer's adjustments (note that Samus gets around 53% on Mario in his stats).

...NO SAMUS IS NOT INDIRECTLY ABOVE MARIO
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 7:44:11 PM | message detail
BUT IT MAKES SNAKE LOOK GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

uh and tifa's a god but forget that ever happened
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:44:54 PM | message detail
And for the record, my stats have Wario getting... 57% on Tingle if I did that right? Okay, that's probably a point toward Midna there, actually.

Still can't see her beating Tidus, and thus I wouldn't take her over Balthier.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 7:46:42 PM | message detail
eh, you can factor in a site-wide Nintendo boost if you want to make Wario look better, but I simply think that Midna's more popular amongst the Nintendo fanbase than Wario is. seriously, how many people like Wario?

on the other hand, we're talking the Zelda series. compare Zelda herself to Peach and you'll see what I mean.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:48:28 PM | message detail
I know, but Zelda gains a lot based on her name. Certainly no one would be arguing she could even be CLOSE to Ganondorf if she wasn't named Zelda. She'd have a damn good chance at losing to Peach, even.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 7:49:20 PM | message detail
disagree there. Zelda doesn't get half her strength simply by being named after the game. Zelda beats Peach regardless because Zelda is simply more popular than Mario here.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 7:55:46 PM | message detail
Zelda doesn't get half her strength simply by being named after the game.

You really think that?

45% on Snake and Samus is telling me it's the case...
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ZFS | Posted 3/8/2007 7:57:49 PM | message detail
Pretty much agreeing entirely with Tranny here.

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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 7:59:59 PM | message detail
you really can't separate the name Zelda and the character Zelda. I think Zelda is strong simply because she's the main female character in the most popular series on the site. are you telling me that Peach would be at Zelda's level if her name was Mario? (uhhhhh)
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Lady Ashe | Posted 3/8/2007 8:00:27 PM | message detail
From trannyscience
Zelda doesn't get half her strength simply by being named after the game.

Of course not! She gets all of her strength from GameFAQs' collective good taste!

...Wait, no. I think it's the name factor. =/ (Though it shouldn't be. Oh, not at all!)
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 8:01:16 PM | message detail
If the Mario series were the "Peach" series? With ALL THOSE FREAKING GAMES?

I think Tifa would have had a damn good scare.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 3/8/2007 9:31:44 PM | message detail
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 9:33:32 PM | message detail
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Ngamer64 | Posted 3/8/2007 9:35:38 PM | message detail
Shush up tranny! That post never happened!

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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 9:35:58 PM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 9:37:50 PM | message detail
So, presuming that post never happened, in direct matchups Mario has Samus beat on Snake (who definitely boosted), Samus has Mario beat on Sephiroth (who definitely boosted), and they're both nearly equal on Link.

Putting all that aside, I'm using common sense here. Is there a single match this year that I would have taken Mario to do worse than Samus in? Um... *looks at Samus' matches* no
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 9:43:39 PM | message detail
*checks to be sure* Yeah, even in the one match that wouldn't involve SFF or something fishy on anyone's part, I can't imagine Mario being held under 70% by Rikku. Even moreso considering the godawful picture she got slammed with there.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 9:47:01 PM | message detail
I think Rikku would do about as well on Mario as she would Samus. no more, no less.

but yeah, obviously Tifa doesn't get 49% on Mario.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/8/2007 9:50:43 PM | message detail
The thing is that this year isn't especially fair to Mario for comparisons. I'd definitely take Luigi 2k6 over Luigi 2k5, so it's possible for Mario to have grown as well considering that (though there's also Yoshi/Bowser to consider, but yeah).

Thing is, I don't even buy into the Snake > Samus indirectly hype. If I can't do that...
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trannyscience | Posted 3/8/2007 9:53:52 PM | message detail
I never looked at the numbers, but doesn't Sonic as a common opponent predict Samus/Snake fairly accurately? yeah, Sonic's stronger than now than in 2k4, but who cares!
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 3/9/2007 3:10:36 AM | message detail
seriously, how many people like Wario?

A lot more than you'd think!

Seriously though there's a fair few on Boad 8 alone.
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ZFS | Posted 3/9/2007 3:54:52 AM | message detail
Wario fans are very few in number. When you consider that Midna not only has Zelda fan support, but was also featured in what is undoubtedly one of this site's all-time favorite games, on top of having most of said game revolve around her character, I would hope Midna would be capable of beating a lower tier character like Wario. Unlike 90% of the other non-Link/Ganon/Zelda characters in the series, Midna is liked for her character, not because she's the horse you ride or one of the joke characters.


Beating people like Wario would be no problem for her, if only because of where she originates. I doubt she's able to overcome Tidus, but you never know there either. It's not exactly like Tidus is packing the strength we once thought he had. Of course, if Tidus lost to Midna that would be pretty bad from a perference perspective. >_>

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 3/9/2007 5:44:44 AM | message detail
seriously, how many people like Wario?

...I do.

And you people need to stop with all of this Midna beating Tidus stuff. You're bringing me to the point of tears here.
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swirIdude | Posted 3/9/2007 7:47:42 AM | message detail
And you people need to stop with all of this Midna beating Tidus stuff. You're bringing me to the point of tears here.

Yeah people, if you're going to make Leon cry, make more logical claims! How is a character that serves as Link's guide supposed to beat the main character of FFX?
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Haste_2 | Posted 3/9/2007 7:52:45 AM | message detail
Fiction: Cloud would beat Snake worse than Link would
I think Cloud would SFF Snake minimally at best, but with SSBB support for Snake now, there's little doubt in my mind.

Fiction: Mega Man would SFF Ganondorf/Zelda
Mega Man didn't do it to '03 Zelda...so this one's easy.

fiction: SSBM would get SFFed by Mario 3 or Link to the Past
I"m thinking neither. SSB surely resisted any SFF against SMB in the Series Contest, and while Zelda might be a bit stronger, LttP is two generations away, so i think SSBM's safe with SFF there, too.

fiction: Sonic's new game on the Wii will give him a significant boost
Honestly, I don't think it was games that made Sonic stronger a couple years back: just kind of a side-effect of the Mario boost. It will take a masterpiece that sells millions to boost Sonic.

ficition: Super Mario Galaxy will put Mario up there with Sephiroth
I really do think it will do wonders, assuming it achieves expectations... I mean, SMS was considered a dud, so we've never had a revolutionary hit for Mario since Mario 64, really. But, thinking again, I"m probably overly optimistic.

fiction: Midna will be the strongest "new" character in the next character battle
I'm thinking that would be either Seifer, Mewtwo, or Balthier... I could be wrong.

fiction: God of War 2 will make Kratos stronger than Leon Kennedy
Not quite...it'll be close, though, and I wouldn't mind being wrong.

fact: Twilight Princess would beat Mario 3 in a game contest
Yes, definitely. It's got support from both new-generation gamers as well as the past generation... and it's new.

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therealmnm | Posted 3/9/2007 8:30:44 AM | message detail
Yeah people, if you're going to make Leon cry, make more logical claims! How is a character that serves as Link's guide supposed to beat the main character of FFX?

I don't see why everybody compares Midna to Navi and only being Link's "guide". She's a full-blown character. The King of Red Lions played a similar role and you don't see people comparing him to Navi. Midna's role is more involved than Zelda's has ever been... even in Ocarina of Time. Twilight Princess is popular as all get up as well. Then there's the ending for Midna fanboys to clamor over. I think Midna is a solid midcarder with no questions asked (she could definitely beat KOS-MOS).
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/9/2007 8:44:28 AM | message detail
I've not played LoZ:TP yet, but Midna would smash Wario. Given where Tingle is, she's going to at LEAST break the fodder line...and Wario's not really close to the fodder line in 2k3 if you account for Mario/Shadow weirdness. I think, if you're looking for SFF matches, that Midna/Mewtwo, Midna/Ness, Midna/Fox, Midna/DK...matches around that range would prove to be far more interesting than Midna/Wario -- that's just an easy win.
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swirIdude | Posted 3/9/2007 11:24:47 AM | message detail
Midna's role is important, but I can't see how that's going to convince the voters to vote her over Tidus. Tidus is still the hero of the PS2's most popular Final Fantasy. I think that's worth enough. Also, it seems that people are overrating TP (TP beating SMB3? Come on people, OoT wouldn't even beat SMB3 easily, Zelda-Mario overlap factored in).
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/9/2007 12:00:18 PM | message detail
I'd probably take Midna over Tidus, but I'm not sure. Tidus isn't exactly the pinnacle of strength in FFX and all signs point to LoZ:TP being able to beat FFX in a game contest. Throw in that LoZ:TP is multi-platform and Nintendo is the in-thing right now, not to mention that LoZ beat FF in the Series Contest last year...it all just depends on how much Midna really is liked, of course, but she's got all sorts of intangibles on her side right now.

I really need to buy a Wii already so I can decide for myself, ha.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 3/9/2007 12:13:52 PM | message detail
Tidus isn't the pinnacle of strength, but I can't imagine Midna becoming a midcarder overnight, even if it is Zelda. I mean, would you take her over the likes of DK and MC? Because that's right around where I think Tidus is, personally.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 3/9/2007 12:30:39 PM | message detail
NCAA Character Contest II: Day 77 -

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=34049746

...Whaddya mean the Nomination Rally Tournament is over?
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/9/2007 12:35:56 PM | message detail
I'd take DK and probably MC over Tidus, odd as that may sound, and a DK/Midna match could be interesting with DK's fanbase and all...

...but again, I really should play LoZ:TP before I keep on with this. I don't understand her appeal yet and I don't want to be spoiled, so...yeah.
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