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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 437

Karma Hunter | Posted 2/26/2007 5:43:02 PM | message detail
Xenogears would be another FF6 in terms of characters.

Yeah, I used to believe that until I actually, y'know, played the game.

Fei may not be a Crono relative to the popularity of his game, but he'd be better than Terra.

And really... KoaC and Manny???
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luke | Posted 2/26/2007 5:43:48 PM | message detail
FF6 would still rock FF5 in a game contest. FF5 is definitely weaker than FF6 strength-wise and FF6 has pitiful strength. so how do you think a non-playable character from a game weaker than FF6 would do?

I'm not sure how you can say anything about Xenogears, though - it beat GSC down and got SFFed by FF7. I don't think Fei would be all that strong but anybody claiming they know exactly how strong he'd be is guessing.
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redrocket | Posted 2/26/2007 5:44:11 PM | message detail
As God is my witness, I would close my account if Fei was stronger than Terra.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/26/2007 5:44:21 PM | message detail
Fei would be pretty weak... but KoaC? I mean goddamn, boy.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/26/2007 5:44:34 PM | message detail
Of course I'm guessing at how strong Fei could be.

...but I'm *not* guessing when I say he'd never come close to losing to THE KING OF ALL COSMOS for cryin' out loud.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 2/26/2007 5:44:47 PM | message detail
I would bet everything Citan is the strongest character from Xenogears, not Fei.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/26/2007 5:44:55 PM | message detail
You underestimate the awesomeness of Gilgamesh !!
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luke | Posted 2/26/2007 5:45:48 PM | message detail
y'know, if you didn't know past history you'd think Terra would whip KOS-MOS's ass just based on popularity of their games.

Xenogears is probably more popular/liked than Xenosaga, only it's getting a bit dated at this point. while it's far from a sure thing, I could see Fei taking Terra.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/26/2007 5:45:57 PM | message detail
As God is my witness, I would close my account if Fei was stronger than Terra.

I'm holding you to that for Terra 2k6.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/26/2007 5:46:00 PM | message detail
Fei/Citan would be pretty tough for me, actually. I see them both at around the same strength. But anyone else from the game (with the slight possible exception of Grahf) is well below fodder.
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luke | Posted 2/26/2007 5:47:46 PM | message detail
I'd see Citan/Fei as being like Kratos/Lloyd - both would do all right, but Citan would be a little stronger just because Fei has a small anti-fanbase. most Xenogears fans would vote for both though, and the difference would only be really apparent in a head-to-head matchup.
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/26/2007 5:49:14 PM | message detail
Can somebody link me to the feedback-section here? The link that used to work doesn't anymore, and I dunno how to find it now. =/

I'm going to ask CJay for some more favorites-polls, preferably polls for games/series we haven't seen before. It would help us out on some debates like these, plus it would help us out with nominations for upcoming contests. It'd be pretty cool if we got to see a DK-poll, SSB-poll, SC-poll, Mega Man-poll, KH-poll, CV-poll, GTA-poll...you know, just have CJay go down the line and help show us what fans of these series really think. I think we could be surprised afew times, and it would help us some in trying to select our nominations next contest.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/26/2007 5:49:36 PM | message detail
You see Kratos just being a little stronger than Lloyd?

I'd say it'd be closer myself, but neither should lose to KoaC, unless XG has just completely fallen off the map and gets tripled by Pokemon GSC or something.
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luke | Posted 2/26/2007 5:50:11 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/feedback/

that last slash gets people these days.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/26/2007 5:50:43 PM | message detail
I'd love to see a favorite DK character poll... and a DKC favorite poll too.

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luke | Posted 2/26/2007 5:52:47 PM | message detail
heh, I could see Diddy winning that just like Yoshi wins the Mario one.

yeah, I guess "little" was the wrong word to use about Kratos/Lloyd. I've debated Kratos/Citan in this topic before and I'd call it a tossup, meaning I'd guess at Citan being at about the fodder line.

I do think Pokemon takes Xenogears in a rematch though. Pokemon is just a lot stronger than it was in 2004. it's not nearly as antivoted as it used to be.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/26/2007 5:54:19 PM | message detail
I take GSC in a rematch too (getting some faith in the Pokes after all I've seen), but GSC needs to absolutely mop the floor with it to make me write off Fei/Citan as uber-fodder. Fodder line, a little below or so, sure... but that's not where Terra and KoaC are.
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ZFS | Posted 2/26/2007 5:58:26 PM | message detail
I can't believe Diddy Kong is even getting consideration for nominations. not only are we overloaded with Nintendo characters, but he's going to be weak. none of his games are especially popular on GF. his ceiling to me would be, like, Ridley.

This. This. This. This.


How in the world Diddy Kong got any sort of votes in that nomination rally blows my mind.

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ZFS | Posted 2/26/2007 6:01:48 PM | message detail
Hmmm... Fei = Kefka?

And I'm thinking "no" on this.

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wavedash101 | Posted 2/26/2007 6:03:13 PM | message detail
lol Kefka
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Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2007 1:42:19 AM | message detail
There's less than 24 hours for my "pessimistic" predicted time for the Best. Quote. Ever. bracket. ;_;

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/27/2007 4:50:50 AM | message detail
I coulda sworn there was a bracket up last night...or perhaps that was just a dream.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/27/2007 4:55:33 AM | message detail
Also. Getting in characters like Marcus Fenix and Frank West that are from new franchises > getting in characters like Midna from a franchise thats been around for years.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 2/27/2007 7:47:04 AM | message detail
Maybe we should focus more on getting more than one Returner next year since we're running out of good new blood.
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/27/2007 9:16:42 AM | message detail
Nah, have the contest in the same format you had it this year...except let the Returner runner-up face #4 in the Round Robin for the final nomination position. Have #1-#3 and the Returner champ be guaranteed and let the other two fight for the fifth spot.
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/27/2007 2:33:11 PM | message detail
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Big Bob | Posted 2/27/2007 2:34:53 PM | message detail
You're not the only one who had a dream about the bracket going up.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/27/2007 3:38:07 PM | message detail
You can do it HaRR's way... but I think it's pretty pointless as the returner would probably win it hands down. Either way we need more emphasis on getting old characters with some potential back in here.

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HaRRicH | Posted 2/27/2007 4:14:03 PM | message detail
As long as the main focus is on newcomers...I don't want to need to nominate more than five characters, and I don't want more returners than newcomers to be amongst the winners. Not that I'm big on tradition, but we've started to stray pretty far from the concept's original idea of trying to get the five strongest newcomers...ha, not that we got five strong newcomers (hello, Kerrigan), but we've started to substitute that with "Well, how about if they're interesting and unpredictable for a contest?". We've then taken it from five newcomers to four newcomers and one returner, and from the support we've seen for Giglamesh I wonder if we're shifting more to "Well...I just like him, shut up!", then throw in the talk about us needing to get more returners...

...I dunno. I don't wanna go back to the fundamental stage we were once at, but I don't really want to see how the contest is right now evolve much more from where it's at now. I wouldn't like to see the returner's influence to go any further than having a shot at having two nominations, personally, which is why I like my idea of the Returner runner-up facing #4 from the Round Robin -- if the newblood is that bad and the returners are that good, let it happen instead of making it happen. Otherwise, I would rather support four new guys we've never seen in action before.
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Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2007 4:46:13 PM | message detail
Who were all the winners of the '05 NRT? I know there was Vincent Valentine, Sarah Kerrigan, and Lloyd Irving, but what were the others? I do know that Tifa Lockheart wasn't one of them (her making it was Vlado's doing).

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Janus5000 | Posted 2/27/2007 4:48:45 PM | message detail
They were Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockhart, Sarah Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, and Lloyd.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 2/27/2007 5:09:45 PM | message detail
I do know that Tifa Lockheart wasn't one of them (her making it was Vlado's doing).

RAGE. The Nomination Rally for Tifa started before Vlado started doing his rally for her.
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Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2007 5:17:26 PM | message detail
So Tifa WAS one of the five winners? How did Vincent make it in, then? Or are you merely stating that the NRT started before Vlado started doing Tifa's rally?

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therealmnm | Posted 2/27/2007 5:20:52 PM | message detail
Vincent made it in just because. It was thought that he was easily the third strongest FF character after Cloud and Sephy, and people wanted to prove it.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/27/2007 5:21:59 PM | message detail
So lets see...Seifer, Nightmare, Diddy, Mewtwo and Raiden this year.

>_>

Probably only gonna end up signing up for Seifer and Raiden. <_<
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LeonhartForever | Posted 2/27/2007 5:48:25 PM | message detail
Yeah, I was personally disappointed with all we ended up getting, but at least we got Seifer.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 2/27/2007 6:28:41 PM | message detail
No one has posted it here yet, so

Rally Contest - Final Standings

1. Mewtwo (9-0, 411, +241)
2. Nightmare (7-2, 311, +33)
3. Diddy Kong (7-2, 311, +30)
4. Seifer Almasy (6-3, 308, +28)
5. Balthier (3-6, 279, -22)
6. Midna (5-4, 276, -36)
7. Akuma (2-7, 266, -52)
8. Banjo (3-6, 265, -53)
9. Yoshimitsu (3-6, 260, -66)
10. Gilgamesh (0-9, 236, -109)

Returners Final Match
(1) Fox McCloud (Star Fox) – 36
(1) Raiden (Metal Gear Solid) – 37

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2007 6:32:53 PM | message detail
I recall Vincent making the contest as being somewhat of a shock.. I don't remember a rally for him and it was kind of assumed that we had hit the FF7 character threshold. (this is before we knew of the TOC, after all.)

thinking back on it, I have to nominate Dante's fourpack from 2k5 as being the fourpack that made us look the most stupid. (second place? probably Kuja's.) we like to rail on people who messed up Vincent/Kerrigan but Dante/Terra wasn't much better and more people probably took Terra than Kerrigan. then Vincent/Dante was a tossup on the board. and that doesn't say anything about Magus.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/27/2007 6:35:39 PM | message detail
Dante/Vincent being a tossup wasn't so bad. It wasn't that close, but Dante kept it respectable.

Terra > Dante and Kerrigan > Vincent though... yeah, WTF people.
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Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2007 6:37:01 PM | message detail
I was pretty pleased overall with it. I mean, who else could've been in their spots? Akuma, sure, and Yoshimitsu might do alright, but who else could've been good? Midna/Balthier (near-locks assuming a normal bracket)? Cid Highwind or Red XIII really should've been there, but since almost everyone's anti-FF7...

Oh, and it's not the winners of last year's NRT were any better...

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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/27/2007 6:42:11 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero did splendidly. Captain Falcon was a disappointment. PoP was a lil' below the line, though if you think there was some Sonic/Luigi weirdness it makes him look better (but creates too many questions with Yoshi/Bowser for me to endorse it). Nightmare and Raiden didn't make it...
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Ngamer64 | Posted 2/27/2007 6:47:37 PM | message detail
2005
16 Tifa 2005c 33.57
28 Leon Kennedy 2005c 27.50
43 Revolver Ocelot 2005c 21.72
58 Lloyd Irving 2005c 17.17
64 Sarah Kerrigan 2005c 14.95

2006
29 Sub-Zero 2006c 28.01
43 Prince of Persia 2006c 22.51
49 Captain Falcon 2006c 19.70
Nightmare - missed out
Raiden - missed out

How does the Class of 2007 compare, in your mind? Assuming they all make it, think Mewtwo/Diddy/Seifer could top Sub/PoP/Falcon collectively?

2007
Mewtwo
Diddy Kong
Seifer
Nightmare
Raiden

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Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2007 6:49:09 PM | message detail
Terra > Dante and Kerrigan > Vincent though... yeah, WTF people.

The worst part about it is this: out of the people that had both of them winning, most had Kerrigan > Terra (Terra > Kerrigan would've made far more sense). They thought both of those characters were stronger than DMC3-boosted Dante, and we already KNEW that Dante was strong...

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Haste_2 | Posted 2/27/2007 6:51:35 PM | message detail
Man, my memory is shoddy. I coulda sworn that C. Falcon was not an NRT winner, but Phoenix Wright instead. I could sworn I remember being surprised at how C. Falcon made it in the CB2K6 due to Dekar's rally for him...

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/27/2007 6:53:43 PM | message detail
My nominations for 2K7 will probably look something like the following... assuming Ceej keeps it normal.

Seifer
Diddy Kong
Mewtwo
Raiden
Fox
Prince of Persia
Rayman
Shadow
Knuckles
Magus


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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2007 6:54:32 PM | message detail
CF definitely was one of the spots last year.

as for Terra/Kerrigan, I remember some Terra > Vincent arguments, optional character vs. main character, SFF, etc etc. good stuff. reading the old stats topics from then must be a blast. we really got served in 2k5.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2007 6:54:53 PM | message detail
I don't remember a rally for him and it was kind of assumed that we had hit the FF7 character threshold.

I had ran a rally for him that got about twenty or so sign-ups from Board 8. Not a particularly effective one in comparison to others, but a rally nonetheless.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/27/2007 6:57:55 PM | message detail
I remember that rally almost wanting me to nominate Vincent, despite not really caring about him at all. HM is too damn persuasive. :(

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2007 6:58:41 PM | message detail
totally don't remember that.. musta been drowned out by Vlado. :(

EC more like HM's loyal follower
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/27/2007 7:02:56 PM | message detail
More like not gonna fall for his **** this time around! I'm gonna be a good boy like during the villains contest.

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