GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 437
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 5:28:23 PM | message detail |
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I agree that the Mario name (and Nintendo in general) wrecks Sonic.. but this is Mario Sunshine.
just like Wind Waker, it's a bit of a bastard child. people will
abandon it if the game isn't liked. put Sonic 2 vs, say, Mario 2 and
Sonic 2 wins. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 5:28:52 PM | message detail |
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I always wonder how RE4 will do if it goes up against a Nintendo
franchise.. will it get abandoned like N was suggesting with FF6? Personally, I hope no one gives that suggestion he made a second thought. But in RE4's defense here, it did appear on the PlayStation 2 as well. It's not exclusive to the GameCube, but I wouldn't dare say SFF would play a role there anyway. It's just way too silly. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 5:29:24 PM | message detail |
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You in Robot Master form, of course. !! I'm still pissed that you abandoned your "new" username about four names ago! wtf king crono what am i gonna do with this account now --- xyzzy |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 5:30:07 PM | message detail |
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Looks like I missed on somebody causing a **** storm. Anybody wanna give me a summary? --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 5:30:09 PM | message detail |
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I take RE4 over MP pretty easily -- NOT OUT OF DISRESPECT FOR MP THERE
LOLZ -- because I take it over Wind Waker with relative confidence as
well. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 5:31:45 PM | message detail |
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I'm still pissed that you abandoned your "new" username about four
names ago! wtf king crono what am i gonna do with this account now Psh. I needed a username of neutrality! --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 5:32:05 PM | message detail |
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lol Zelda Four Swords --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 5:33:03 PM | message detail |
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I agree, I'd take RE4 over MP as well. I think RE4 is a serious game
that could win two or three rounds with the right bracket placement
though. I don't think RE4 would get "SFFed", but it does share a console with only five or six notable titles. there is certainly a shared fanbase there, in the same way that Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy share a fanbase. --- xyzzy |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/9/2007 5:33:12 PM | message detail |
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Solid tier luke. The only change I'd make would but to move Mario 3
into that Melee & Friends range. I'll expand a bit with mine... 2007 Games Tier FF7 Ocarina of Time Link to the Past Chrono Trigger Twilight Princess Super Smash Bros. Melee Mario 3 FF6 <-- Nintendo+Square - SFFed by strong Nin/Square = on a power island Mario 64 Super Mario World Metal Gear Solid Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy 8 Goldeneye Majora's Mask Halo StarCraft Metal Gear Solid 2 Metal Gear Solid 3 Final Fantasy Tactics Final Fantasy XII Metroid Prime Wind Waker --- All three of those big tiers would be such awesome slugfests. Can't wait to see it. (and for the record, I see GameCube fans dropping RE4 like a hot potato if Ocarina/Melee/etc came around) --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 5:33:25 PM | message detail |
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LOL ZELDA FREAKING SUX -- (No, I do not believe it does. Go kill yourselves.) The beauty is that I can make it whatever my little heart desires! --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/9/2007 5:37:26 PM | message detail |
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To be fair though, yeah, I'd give RE4 a great shot against like a
Prime, and could even see a possible Wind Waker upset. But I bet it
underperfoms big time against Melee. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| NewLib | Posted 2/9/2007 5:38:39 PM | message detail |
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RE4 would take Metroid Prime down. Here is how I would rate games from the 128 Division to Present if it happened today: 1. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 2. Super Smash Brothers: Melee 3. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 4. Final Fantasy X 5. Starcraft 6. Final Fantasy XII 7. Resident Evil 4 8. Kingdom Hearts 2 9. Metal Gear Solid 3 10. Halo/Halo 2 11. God of War 12. Metroid Prime 13. Gears of War 14. Soul Calibur 15. Metal Gear Solid 2 16. Half-Life 2 Anything that I left out was either interchangeable with another game (Metroid Prime 2, Half-Life, Kingdom Hearts), weaker, or I have no freaking clue (Super Mario Sunshine being the #1 point of this) --- --NL-- Z1mZum made me look like Toadette. And made me nominate her. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 5:40:29 PM | message detail |
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...everything from Wind Waker down just looks absurd to me. BUT THAT'S OKAY --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| NewLib | Posted 2/9/2007 5:40:47 PM | message detail |
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Also I know Halo is far down below Starcraft. Two points: 1) The overall decline in the franchise seen in these contest. Series contest and game contest. 2) XBox fanboys have a new game to rally around for the first time (Gears of War) --- --NL-- Z1mZum made me look like Toadette. And made me nominate her. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 5:41:22 PM | message detail |
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Oh, were just ranting more about a potential Game Contest. Nevermind then, carry on >_> --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 5:47:07 PM | message detail |
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1) The overall decline in the franchise seen in these contest. Series contest and game contest. 2) XBox fanboys have a new game to rally around for the first time (Gears of War) There is no decline, and GoW should have *zero* effect on Halo in anything other than a direct matchup. ...and it doesn't matter, because Starcraft isn't beating three-quarters of those games unless it gets fluke-rallied again. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 5:48:27 PM | message detail |
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...and it doesn't matter, because Starcraft isn't beating three-quarters of those games unless it gets fluke-rallied again. I agree with this. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 5:52:02 PM | message detail |
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1. TP 2. SSBM (SSBM might be stronger, but I don't trust it directly over TP) 3. FFX 4. RE4 5. MGS3 6. Kingdom Hearts 7. Wind Waker 8. FFXII 9. Metal Gear Solid 2 10. Kingdom Hearts 2 11. Metroid Prime 12. Halo 13. Starcraft 14. GTA:SA 15. God of War 16. Gears of War ...man, that is an absolute mess after #3. --- xyzzy |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 5:55:50 PM | message detail |
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Fluke rallied? Starcraft, not getting far? Hold the ****ing phone. If theres anything the BFF "Blizzard Fanbase Factor" can have an effect in, its Starcraft in a Game Contest. Vote stuffing or not, it almost beat Super Smash Bros Melee for crying out loud. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 5:55:56 PM | message detail |
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| NewLib | Posted 2/9/2007 5:57:19 PM | message detail |
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Starcraft has strength. Yes the rallys helped, but I refused to believe
that the rallys made a game from a low midcarder to the second place
game in that bracket. Can I see Wind Waker, FFX, FFXII, and maybe RE4 beating it? Yes. Can I see Metroid Prime, Soul Calibur, Kingdom Hearts doing it? No. --- --NL-- Z1mZum made me look like Toadette. And made me nominate her. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 5:59:44 PM | message detail |
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I could see Starcraft over FF12 being a MASSIVE upset. Out of all the
new games that could come in contact with Starcraft, I'm thinking only
stuff like Super Smash Bros Brawl, Twlight Princess, and MAYBE
MGS3(Assuming MGS4 isn't out by this time) --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:00:38 PM | message detail |
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If theres anything the BFF "Blizzard Fanbase Factor" can have an
effect in, its Starcraft in a Game Contest. Vote stuffing or not, it
almost beat Super Smash Bros Melee for crying out loud. The final results of that match are a lot closer than what they should be. And I wouldn't put any faith in StarCraft doing that a second time. It's not obscenely weak, but it's not going to dream of getting that close to SSBM again or beating TWW. And those are just two examples. StarCraft is hanging right there with Halo, which isn't at the current level with everything from that division. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 6:01:55 PM | message detail |
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Believe what you wish. You can't depend on fluke-rallies all the time,
and even less with the kind of vote totals we see nowadays. Put Starcraft vs Kingdom Hearts II or whatever tomorrow, and Starcraft will get the bloody-mess beaten out of it. It needs a coordinated rally planned ahead of time for it to succeed -- and I think Ceej's cheating protection has gotten better since 2004. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:03:25 PM | message detail |
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AUGH SCREW THIS QUOTE CONTEST GIVE ME A GAME CONTEST AUGH AUGH AUGH AUGH AUGH PICK THE GAMES YOURSELF I DON'T CARE --- xyzzy |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:03:59 PM | message detail |
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....you honestly think The Wind Waker, the weakest received Zelda
game(ESPECIALLY now that Twlight Princess outshadows basically any
Zelda game not named Ocarina of Time or Link to the Past), could beat
Starcraft in a second Game Contest? Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Wind
Waker is the only Zelda-related thing I could see possibly decreasing if there was another Game Contest. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:05:24 PM | message detail |
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AUGH SCREW THIS QUOTE CONTEST GIVE ME A GAME CONTEST Do you hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE this quote contest? (Oh, man, I'm so good.) --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:05:43 PM | message detail |
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and I think Ceej's cheating protection has gotten better since 2004. Regardless, there are still ways of bypassing it. Now I do agree, KH2 could give Starcraft a match, its probably one of the others that could defeat it, but it'd still be close. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:06:28 PM | message detail |
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It needs a coordinated rally planned ahead of time for it to succeed
-- and I think Ceej's cheating protection has gotten better since 2004. I was also going to mention this, but I couldn't remember when he implemented it. I think it was within the past couple of contests, though, so it would have been after that one. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:06:53 PM | message detail |
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let's see here. the site has seen a massive shift to Nintendo since
2004. Starcraft needed a miracle comeback that was highly questionable,
not to mention it was caught in the next match (go look at the 15
minute updates -- we've never seen anything like that). it's unknown whether Starcraft would get the same support it did three years ago. yeah, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet, barring another wild rally. --- xyzzy |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:07:24 PM | message detail |
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I OPPOSE AND WILL DISPOSE THIS QUOTE CONTEST AGHHHHH man, kefka is so lame --- xyzzy |
| NewLib | Posted 2/9/2007 6:07:44 PM | message detail |
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Actually I see Wind Waker staying the same. What it lost in focus, it
gained in lack of focus. It has been relegated to the "Majora's Mask"
role in the series which is still really strong. Put Majora's Mask in
the 32/64 contest and guess which game takes third. --- --NL-- Z1mZum made me look like Toadette. And made me nominate her. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:08:04 PM | message detail |
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Dude, that quote rocks faces. :( --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/9/2007 6:09:27 PM | message detail |
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I was just about to step in and say that a second StarCraft run would
no longer be possible, given CJay's new cheat protection, but then I
remembered what happened to the GTA Series, post-cheat protection.
Yeah, the Blizzard rally power is certainly still there, and so I don't
think it's possible to place SC with any kind of certainty. Give it
enough time for word to spread and rallies to get going, and I think it
still COULD hang with almost any game... though not Melee anymore. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:09:28 PM | message detail |
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I think the disappointments of stuff like Kerrigan have been getting to your heads >_> --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:13:45 PM | message detail |
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Kerrigan was a disappointment to no one but those who thought she could
actually beat Vincent. There has been enough reason to believe that
StarCraft would not have been as strong as it was in 2004 from the end
of that contest. No, I don't believe that the Soul Calibur, Halo, and
Kingdom Hearts series were mysteriously
weaker than suspected for no reason. If StarCraft lost to Halo, you see
an amazingly different outcome in that whole division, making
everything closer to where its strength should be. It's possible that StarCraft could have another rally, but it needed a very suspect comeback and blatant cheating to even hang around in its final two matches. It wasn't Kerrigan that made people doubt this, because most here didn't think Kerrigan had any sort of chance against Vincent to begin with. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:14:54 PM | message detail |
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I don't ever think of Kerrigan until someone mentions her. I think your
bloated expectations of a game with massive rallying that beat Wind
Waker by a mere handful of votes are the ones at fault here. but then again, there are a lot of people out there that think SC rallying could beat anything out there. so you're not alone. --- xyzzy |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:15:25 PM | message detail |
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I actually seem to recall at least a few stat heads who thought Vincent
would be a total fluke and that Kerrigan would dominate the division. LOL! --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:15:56 PM | message detail |
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...who? --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:16:17 PM | message detail |
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You'll be pleased to know that I thought the exact opposite. :P --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:16:49 PM | message detail |
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Thats just the thing. SC rallies are THE rallies. There another force
of nature. Just because Nintendo has become more powerful on this site
doesn't mean everyone will magically stop enjoying Starcraft. There not
just gonna go away. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:18:04 PM | message detail |
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...who? I can't recall names considering half of the people(including myself) in this topic change accounts on so many occassions, that its hard to keep up with people. But they existed, man. No joke. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 6:18:22 PM | message detail |
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TIME FOR MY AWESOME GAME BRACKET 1 Metal Gear Solid 8 Snake's Revenge 4 Metal Gear 5 Metal Gear Ac!d 3 Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance 6 Metal Gear: Ghost Babel 2 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 7 The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 1 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 8 Metal Gear Solid: Digital Graphic Novel 4 Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes 5 Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake 3 Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence 6 Metal Gear Ac!d 2 2 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 7 Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:18:36 PM | message detail |
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http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k5&type=match&match=22 lol rpguy yeah, you're one of those that think it could beat anything because it has THE RALLYING POWER. I can see it now: Wind Waker - 60000 Starcraft - 4000000000 --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:18:51 PM | message detail |
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I know they were in abundance outside of this topic, but I really don't remember too many Kerrigan supporters here. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 6:19:54 PM | message detail |
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92) steve illumina Sarah Kerrigan There is something about this that I just find awesome. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 6:20:00 PM | message detail |
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But they existed, man. No joke. no, they didn't. no one in this topic thought she would win the division. hell, no one on the board did. there were a couple of people that thought she would beat Vincent, but the division? my memory is good and would remember such a ridiculous claim. --- xyzzy |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 6:21:32 PM | message detail |
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GTA was weaker than anyone thought it would be -- look at how WC did in the final stats. The damn thing's projected to lose to Fire Emblem.
Now, part of this is because the rallying fell apart against the
juggernaut that is SMB (which is exactly why SC doesn't stand a chance
against Melee anymore), but it's simply not that strong without
rallying. You think SC can take down something like MGS2 if we put it
on the front page tomorrow, no warning? Be my guest. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:21:39 PM | message detail |
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Regardless, new topic. KH's bracket is awesome <_< --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 6:22:52 PM | message detail |
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And MGS2 deserves to beat every game period. But thats beside the point. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
