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| MajinZidane | Posted 2/8/2007 5:12:03 PM | message detail |
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| trannyscience | Posted 2/8/2007 5:12:16 PM | message detail |
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you'd take Gears of War over Halo? along with Guitar Hero over God of War? you 'n I don't see eye to eye very often! --- xyzzy™ "It's not trolling. It's justice." - Lightning Strikes |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/8/2007 5:17:28 PM | message detail |
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I didn't say I'd take Gears of War over Halo, I just mean its got some potential. --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/8/2007 5:22:39 PM | message detail |
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Gears of War has too much working against it for me to consider it over Halo. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/8/2007 5:23:46 PM | message detail |
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Day 21 of the Nomination Rally Tournament: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=33518595 --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| therealmnm | Posted 2/8/2007 5:28:27 PM | message detail |
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Gears of War has too much working against it for me to consider it over Halo. It DOES have some things over Halo... in that it isn't the poster boy for Xbox hate nor does it have the stigma of "overrated" attached to it like Halo does. Gears of War's main problem is that it doesn't have to carry the Xbox 360 in the same way that Halo carried the original Xbox. Xbox 360 owners don't HAVE to own Gears of War to enjoy the system. The original Xbox didn't have nearly as much going for it at this point as the 360 does now, so Xbox owners pretty much HAD to turn to Halo. Plus the 360 simply isn't widespread enough for Gears of War to make up the gap. --- Currently playing: Resident Evil 4, Fable, Castlevania PoR, Yoshi's Island DS |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/8/2007 5:31:04 PM | message detail |
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you're fighting an uphill battle if you're Xbox-exclusive on this site. --- xyzzy™ "It's not trolling. It's justice." - Lightning Strikes |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/8/2007 5:33:35 PM | message detail |
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Especially if you're going to go up against Halo. That's the main
problem. It has to contend with Halo's demographic. Sure, Halo's going
to get its fair share of anti-votes, but I can't see that making or
breaking the match against an XBox exclusive. Gears of War would get
SFF'd hardcore by the XBox faithful, I think. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| therealmnm | Posted 2/8/2007 5:37:02 PM | message detail |
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Oh, you're talking about a direct matchup? Of course not! I thought you meant it would be Halo lite indirectly... --- Currently playing: Resident Evil 4, Fable, Castlevania PoR, Yoshi's Island DS |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/8/2007 5:39:24 PM | message detail |
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I did, in the sense that Halo is Gears's ceiling. I can't see anything
surpassing Halo on the Xbox - in a way, it's amazing it's as strong as
it is with the low ownership of Xboxes. --- xyzzy™ "It's not trolling. It's justice." - Lightning Strikes |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/8/2007 5:39:26 PM | message detail |
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That's what I assumed from the previous posts anyway. As far as a
standalone game, I don't know what to expect from Gears of War. It
should have a strong backing from the 360 demographic around here, but
I doubt that would matter much. It could be a decent midcarder, but I
wouldn't expect a whole lot out of it. Halo was popular even among
those who didn't own an XBox. Basically ownership goes out the window
when it comes to Halo because it was one of those games that nearly
everyone played, whether on their own XBox or on a friend's XBox. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/8/2007 5:41:06 PM | message detail |
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Poll 2178 (10/28/2005) Do you own a copy of Halo: Combat Evolved? 18943 31.14% Yes, and its sequel 4714 7.75% Yes, on the Xbox 5514 9.06% Yes, on the PC/Mac 7981 13.12% No, it's just not my type of game 23679 38.93% No, I guess I just never was interested I wish he would have phrased this as "played" instead of "own". --- xyzzy™ "It's not trolling. It's justice." - Lightning Strikes |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/8/2007 6:31:49 PM | message detail |
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Geez, it's hard to restrict games to just 64 entrants. Hyrule 1 Ocarina of Time 16 Zero Wing 8 Guitar Hero 9 Street Fighter II 4 Kingdom Hearts II 13 Super Mario Bros. 5 Resident Evil 4 12 Donkey Kong Country 3 Halo 2 14 Half-Life 2 6 Final Fantasy X 11 StarCraft 7 Mega Man X 10 Super Metroid 2 Metal Gear Solid 15 F-Zero GX Guardia 1 Chrono Trigger 16 Pong 8 Majora's Mask 9 Kingdom Hearts 4 Super Smash Bros. 13 Resident Evil 2 5 Final Fantasy Tactics 12 Diddy's Kong Quest 3 San Andreas 14 Kirby SuperStar 6 Final Fantasy XII 11 Metroid Prime 7 Devil May Cry 10 Final Fantasy IX 2 Link to the Past 15 Tetris Twilight 1 Twilight Princess 16 Donkey Kong 8 Sympohony of the Night 9 Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow 4 Super Smash Bros: Melee 13 Oblivion 5 Final Fantasy VIII 12 Sonic Adventure 2: Battle 3 Final Fantasy VI 14 EarthBound 6 Grand Theft Auto III 11 The Legend of Zelda 7 Sonic 3 & Knuckles 10 God of War 2 Super Mario Bros. 3 15 Castlevania Midgar 1 Final Fantasy VII 16 Metroid 8 Mega Man 3 9 Sonic the Hegdeghog 2 4 Super Mario World 13 Diablo II 5 Snake Eater 12 Gears of War 3 Halo 14 Link's Awakening 6 Wind Waker 11 Super Mario 64 7 Final Fantasy 10 Super Mario RPG 2 GoldenEye 007 15 Duck Hunt The final four is pretty weak (though CT >OoT might have been viable in 2k4, and if you're insane TP > FFVII is a workable upset pick), but that's hard to rectify without stacking OoT and FFVII on the same half of the bracket (and that gives a boring final). Still, I think everything else works out pretty well, though the bracket is somewhat stacked with post DC games at the expense of NES and PSX/N64 games a bit, and is somewhat Nintendo heavy. But I think that reflects the reality about the strong games on this site. --- Mustache...and green... |
| Janus5000 | Posted 2/8/2007 6:35:36 PM | message detail |
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8 Guitar Hero 9 Street Fighter II It's a Psycho Crusher Freakout! --- Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Rufus Shinra 18 decides everything. http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/8/2007 6:38:46 PM | message detail |
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hmm.. here's my ideal bracket placement for the big guns: 1. FF7 2. Mario 3 1. OOT 2. FF6 1. TP 2. LTTP 1. SSBM 2. CT not a fan of FF7/OOT on the same side, but I prefer seeing a TP/LTTP/SSBM/CT bloodbath to a more tame bracket where OOT and FF7 roll over all the interesting matches. --- xyzzy™ "It's not trolling. It's justice." - Lightning Strikes |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/8/2007 6:44:36 PM | message detail |
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I wanted another CT/LttP because that's my one of my favourite matches,
and I figured a TP/Melee//FFVI/SMB3 set would also work out pretty
well. Maybe I'm just underestimating TP a tad to stick it with
FFVI/SMB3/SSBM instead of LttP/CT, but I think it's rather
unpredictable either way. I didn't want OoT or FFVII to stomp any of
the Super Six before the Final Four, though, so I set up messy 8-packs
headed by MGS and 007 against the two big names, respectively. Which
also serves as a nice contrast to SC2k4 if those two come out of their
half division alive. --- Mustache...and green... |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/8/2007 6:47:22 PM | message detail |
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'tis my favourite match as well, but I like using TP/LTTP as a way to
weed out a Zelda, not to mention it could be interesting. CT/SSBM also
strikes me as an interesting match. you could switch it so you get
TP/SSBM and LTTP/CT and it's still pretty interesting. if you don't care about being fair, you could shove Mario 3 into SSBM's fourpack and feed a weaker game to FF7/OOT. --- xyzzy™ "It's not trolling. It's justice." - Lightning Strikes |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/8/2007 9:27:39 PM | message detail |
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I came in here planning to chew you out for moving FF7/OoT out of the
Championship, because given Zelda's rise to superpower ever since
'03-early '04, I'd bet anything that'd be our closest Final in history.
But after looking it over more closely, yeah, you made the right
decision. A great final is one thing, but a slugfest like the bottom of
that bracket would deliver is better yet. My one complaint is that Mario 3 doesn't get to be part of that epic brawl. After the way SSB hung tough against Mario in the Series, I think you're right in saying the coolest fit would be the Mario 3/Melee winner going on to battle the (former?) 3rd most popular game on the site. Feed Mario 64 to FF7 in its place. Oh! Better yet, let's have that long-debated Mario World/Mario 64 clash as the 2/3 in that division, with the winner getting fed to FF7. I love it! FF6 should get a healthy boost with the remake, but I still don't feel it'll be enough to put it in that Mario 3/Melee/CT/LttP/TP class, so I agree with feeding it to Ocarina. The trouble with a DS-boosted FF6 is that it STILL gets mauled to death by a more popular Square title like FF7, and now it will also collapse even harder against a Nintendo big name, Samus > Snake on Brawl steroids-style. What does that leave, to prove itself against? MGS? Put something like FFX and one of the MGSes in its 8-pack underneath Ocarina, and that should be a decent enough run for it. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 2/8/2007 9:33:05 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't want to miss SMB3/SSBM...for any other big-time match,
period, but they should at LEAST be able to get out of their respective
four-packs before facing each other if you want the bottom half so
stacked. Here's how I would do it: 1. FF7 2. LttP 1. OoT 2. FF6...? 1. TP 2. CT 1. SSBM 2. SMB3 I think most people are of the consensus that LttP would beat CT now, so -- though I figure it would still be fairly close -- I'm avoiding that match-up. Instead, since we know FF7/OoT will decide the contest winner, I think setting up situations where they would face their opponent's "side-kick" game (for lack of a better term) would hype up their ensuing battle even more...but that assumes LttP is stronger than TP, though I think the assumption is worth it so TP can be in the fun half of the bracket. I would also find it interesting to see how well TP, SSBM, or SMB3 could hold up to OoT if it pulled the upset against FF7. --- The Office > you. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/8/2007 9:34:22 PM | message detail |
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No way FF7/OoT is closer than FF/Zelda...OoT is going to surprise a lot
of you guys when it not only wins (like a lot of us suspect), but I'm
thinking it'll be close to 52% or so. This site is getting more and
more Zelda-centric by the day and nothing's stopping it. I still can't
fathom how Ganondorf lost to Vincent (and I got that match right, too!). --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| transience | Posted 2/8/2007 9:52:00 PM | message detail |
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I like the way all three of you think.. except that I think LTTP is
completely wasted if you feed it to FF7 like that. it needs to face one
of three games: SSBM, CT or TP. (I assume it beats Mario 3 down pretty
convincingly, though I wouldn't say it's 100%) working from N's thoughts.. 1. FF7 2. SM64 3. SMW 4. Halo 1. OOT 2. FF6 3. FF8! 4. GTA:SA 1. SSBM 2. TP 3. MGS3? KH2? 4. Mario 3 1. CT 2. LTTP 3. FFX 4. RE4? as for the site getting more Zelda-centric, check out the Wii fanbase compared to the PS3's. yee-ouch. --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| HaRRicH | Posted 2/8/2007 10:04:30 PM | message detail |
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Then SMB3 will be wasted, unless you want to set it up against FF6
before the Elite Eight...which would blow any chance of a surprise
upset on FF6 unless you put a game like Goldeneye, MGS, FFX, or GTA:SA
in its four-pack...and that would be rather silly unless that's just
how nominations really just worked out. I just seems to me that LttP's position has the least chance of surprise practically anywhere you place it, bar for making it face TP...and since I don't think TP would be the third strongest game on the site, I'd rather see it set up in the Elite Eight where we can see a four-pack of very likely (most likely, even?) contenders to land in 4th-7th. --- The Office > you. |
| transience | Posted 2/8/2007 10:06:19 PM | message detail |
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Mario 3, wasted against SSBM? I thought that was the matchup you wanted to see? --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| HaRRicH | Posted 2/8/2007 10:08:04 PM | message detail |
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Ha, sorry -- I read the comment and not the bracket. Le whoops. --- The Office > you. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/8/2007 10:08:13 PM | message detail |
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For individual matchups I like OoT/FF7, Mario 3/CT, SSBM/TP. LttP and FFVI seem so out of place...probably have FFVI face TP and have the winner face SSBM while the winner of Mario 3/CT goes on to LttP. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| transience | Posted 2/8/2007 10:11:09 PM | message detail |
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so.. 1. SSBM 2. TP 3. FF6 1. LTTP 2. CT 3. Mario 3 ? that is hella stacked. there's a certain point where you have to feed something to FF7/OOT. I think FF6 vs. a strong game a tier below -- FF8, MGS, one of those -- is the best way to go. I really don't think FF6 has a great chance against any of the above games with the possible exception of TP, and that's mostly because it could be anywhere. I'll be picking TP though. --- xyzzy "Theo is well again." - FFDragon |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 2/8/2007 10:21:01 PM | message detail |
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that is hella stacked. there's a certain point where you have to
feed something to FF7/OOT. I think FF6 vs. a strong game a tier below
-- FF8, MGS, one of those -- is the best way to go. I really don't
think FF6 has a great chance against any of the above games with the
possible exception of TP, and that's mostly because it could be
anywhere. I'll be picking TP though. Just put SMB3 and FFVI in the same division as FFVII or OoT, so they can still fight each other. Or make it eight divisions. --- "I am the Scourge of God, appointed to chastise you! You are wicked, but I am more wicked than you!" |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/8/2007 10:30:22 PM | message detail |
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that is hella stacked. there's a certain point where you have to feed something to FF7/OOT. One of the reasons the Games contest was so cool was that we didn't feed anything to FFVII/OoT. We got to see the big SNES + SMB3 games interact, and the mess that was Div128, without sacrificing much (007 and MGS by unfortunate somewhat unfortunate bracket placement) to the altar of the game contest gods. And I can see where the wariness toward FFVI is coming from, but, remember that it only did half a percent worse on Link to the Past than Super Mario Bros. 3 did on Chrono Trigger (Amano art and all!).That's a fair bit ahead of Melee and potentially a good deal above the next tier of MGS/007/FFT/rest of Div128 (reminds me, don't forget Tactics and MGS were separated by 38 votes). I think FFVI at least deserves a shot at, say, SMB3 or SSBM. Which actually brings me to something interesting. Rank Final Fantasys VI, VIII, X, and T in terms of contest strength. --- Mustache...and green... |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 12:01:26 AM | message detail |
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The trouble with a DS-boosted FF6 is that it STILL gets mauled to
death by a more popular Square title like FF7, and now it will also
collapse even harder against a Nintendo big name, Samus > Snake on
Brawl steroids-style. I'm not entirely sure I understand that line of thought. Final Fantasy VI was on a Nintendo system before it got released on the GBA. That should not make it more suspectible to SFF than it already was, which should not have been very much at all given how it held strong against ALttP. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 12:12:44 AM | message detail |
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No way FF7/OoT is closer than FF/Zelda...OoT is going to surprise a
lot of you guys when it not only wins (like a lot of us suspect), but
I'm thinking it'll be close to 52% or so. I think Ocarina of Time has the best shot it would ever have at beating Final Fantasy VII during the time when the site is most Nintendo centric, but I still don't quite believe it would do quite that bad. I would expect it to just get by, if it even managed to. Even though they were two different times, Link still took care of Cloud only a few months after FFVII won the game contest. Still extremely possible, though. I really don't think FF6 has a great chance against any of the above games with the possible exception of TP, and that's mostly because it could be anywhere. I think I would probably stick with FFVI over TP and SMB3. It wasn't exactly lacking any sort of power to stand up to the big names last contest -- it held up extremely well against ALttP (52.5/47.5). I think you have to consider it up there with any of the other big names, especially with the benefit of FFVIA. Which actually brings me to something interesting. Rank Final Fantasys VI, VIII, X, and T in terms of contest strength. FFVI > FFX > FFVIII >= FFT is how I would see those games going. Even with FFT being underrated by the ordeal between FFVII/MGS, I don't think it would quite manage to get over FFVIII, although it would be pretty cool if it did. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 2/9/2007 6:20:07 AM | message detail |
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I wouldn't mind seeing them Clinkeroth, either. Noble Nine matches
are no longer very interesting, anyway. I want to see Mario vs. Sonic
(obvious reasons), as well as Mega Man vs. Vincent to see if Mega Man
could lose. This blew my mind... the noble nine is as good as ever for matches. Samus barely beats Tifa, gets crushed by Mario, dominates Snake. Sonic and MM look about on even once again, Snake can only improve with MGS4, Samus' true strength will be pretty damn hard to peg, as well as how she fluctuates, and who she fluctuates against, etc... --- Explicit Content. Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| voltch | Posted 2/9/2007 12:38:44 PM | message detail |
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is this the slowest topic to fill up to 500 during nominations period? --- Rufus shinra destroyed my bracket in the sc2k6 contest. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 2/9/2007 1:26:56 PM | message detail |
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I believe so --- Mr. Inverse Absolute Power WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/9/2007 2:05:41 PM | message detail |
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Nothing to talk about, nominations-wise. We're just waiting for Ceej to give us the bracket. --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 2:25:20 PM | message detail |
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Heh. I just checked the feedback status of a PotD suggestion I sent in
earlier about re-running the "Who is Favorite Final Fantasy VI
character?" due to the recent release of FFVIA. Looks like CJayC got
around to reading it, so hopefully he does it before this contest
begins. :P Message From ZFS at 2007-02-09 09:35:12 With the recent release of Final Fantasy VI Advance, I thought it might be a pretty interesting idea to re-run the poll you ran way back in 2002 asking voters "Who is your favorite Final Fantasy VI character?" (http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847). I think it'd be neat to see what the visitors of GameFAQs today think of the FFVI cast, perhaps even with the inclusion of Kefka there for good measure. Feedback Status: Read - Your message has been read by GameFAQs. No action is required. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/9/2007 4:02:12 PM | message detail |
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I'm not entirely sure I understand that line of thought. Final
Fantasy VI was on a Nintendo system before it got released on the GBA.
That should not make it more suspectible to SFF than it already was,
which should not have been very much at all given how it held strong
against ALttP. Sure, but the DS has introduced the game to a whole new generation of Nintendo fans, which should go a good ways towards boosting its strength, indirectly. My point is that this is the same situation as we had last Contest, with Snake coming in hot off a Brawl boost. He's got his original fans, who put him up in that MM/Crono/Sonic area, but he also has new Nintendo interest, which allowed him to pound their faces in. But in the end, he's going to have to meet up with a Nintendo big name (Sam/Mario/Link), that new base of support will disappear, and he can't compete. I'm not saying FF6's original base won't be there, my point is that that base alone can't get it past Lttp/CT/Melee/Mario 3, as 2004 showed. But because that Elite group (plus TP) is almost all Nintendo big guns, the new support is going to evaporate and FF6 STILL won't be able to get over the hump. But put something like MGS in its line of fire, and I bet it the combined Nintendo/Square support could really surprise some people. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 4:06:00 PM | message detail |
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I disagree completely. with Snake, you're putting him as a character into a Nintendo game
-- one that isn't even out yet - and introducing him to a new crowd
that way. with FF6 being rereleased, you're either a.) bringing old
Square fans to the site or b.) introducing a younger crowd who are into
RPGs. just because you own a GBA/DS doesn't mean you're automatically a
huge Zelda and Mario fan. that's like saying that KH3 on the Wii would
be pointless for its characters since the people buying it are already
Zelda and Mario fans. people have tendencies, but they aren't robots. --- xyzzy |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 4:06:42 PM | message detail |
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wtf luke --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 4:06:58 PM | message detail |
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lol hey there --- xyzzy |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/9/2007 4:08:59 PM | message detail |
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Like I said before, FFVI did half a percent worse than Super Mario
Bros. 3, and is expected to do 2% better than Melee on FFVII (with
possible FFVII/CT SFF and not counting the fact that most Div128
appears to be overrated). Granted, you can certainly argue that Mario 3
and Melee have no reason to go anywhere but up...but Final Fantasy VI
was just rereleased on a system with an enormous install base! I
maintain that FFVI is solidly Super Six material, above the likes of
Div128 (or else it loses to FFX) and MGS (or else it loses to FFT). --- Mustache...and green... |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/9/2007 4:10:55 PM | message detail |
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Argh, FFVI did a half percent worse than SMB3 on LttP/CT respectively,
that first sentence should read. I know FFVI hasn't done *anything*
since, but, well, it hadn't done anything before that point either. --- Mustache...and green... |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 4:12:27 PM | message detail |
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I think it's super seven status, but that
SSBM has increased dramatically over the last two years. I would
certainly take SSBM over Mario 3 at this point after what SSB pulled on
Mario. that was basically SSBM vs. the entire Mario franchise and it
still managed a good third of the votes. it's not that I think FF6 has
fallen off the earth or anything. I'd give FF6 a good shot at Mario 3
before I would SSBM. --- xyzzy |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/9/2007 4:20:14 PM | message detail |
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I agree it was right in that range, but as you alluded to, FF6 had done
nothing but backslide before this DS remake. Kefka needing mass
cheating just to hang with a washed up Tommy, Terra finishing 50th in
the stats one year and 55th the next, Celes doing even worse, and a
disappointing 10th place finish in the Top 100. Yes, it's ported onto a
platform with a big install base, but look how much of that base also
owns the Mario 64 remake and/or New Mario Bros. Sorry, I just can't see
that base throwing it their support against a Mario 3 or Melee. --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 4:21:44 PM | message detail |
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(psst -- it's GBA, not DS!) --- xyzzy |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/9/2007 4:25:58 PM | message detail |
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You should have whispered that 10 posts ago! --- thengamer.com/xstats = lol x-stats Still smarting from the beatdown Rufus applied in the Guru Contest! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/9/2007 4:26:01 PM | message detail |
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Kefka might have gotten cheating (or at least heavy rallying) just to scrape past Pac-Man
in 2003. I'm not buying a Terra drop over a Zelda overperformance,
especially when Terra/Kerrigan went just as expected (there's always
the Tidus/Shadow scenario, but there's a reason why it's an EXTREMELY
rare one), and Boss getting SFFed by Tifa was always expected in my
book. The Top 100 List is the one thing that makes me doubt FFVI's
strength, and that's the same list with Halo in 9th, MGS in 8th,
Goldeneye in 7th, and so on (and it probably underrates SSBM there as
well, come to think of it). I can't really take it that seriously. I'll take TP myself in my matchup, but I wouldn't be *shocked* if FFVI edged it out. Surprised, sure, but not shocked... --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/9/2007 4:39:59 PM | message detail |
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I'm still one of those BOLD ones who still takes CT over LttP in a rematch! ...Although Crono's apparent loss in strength this past contest concerns me in that regard, but I'm too stubborn to change my ways! --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
| luke | Posted 2/9/2007 4:45:30 PM | message detail |
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nice to see someone never changes! as for FF6's decline, I'm hesitant to attach characters to games, but especially with FF6, where the disparity is so large. but with Nintendo rising and old Square dropping, it's easy to predict an FF6 drop, especially when its closest competition are Nintendo titles. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2007 4:45:51 PM | message detail |
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Sure, but the DS has introduced the game to a whole new generation
of Nintendo fans, which should go a good ways towards boosting its
strength, indirectly. My point is that this is the same situation as we
had last Contest, with Snake coming in hot off a Brawl boost. He's got
his original fans, who put him up in that MM/Crono/Sonic area, but he
also has new Nintendo interest, which allowed him to pound their faces
in. But in the end, he's going to have to meet up with a Nintendo big
name (Sam/Mario/Link), that new base of support will disappear, and he
can't compete. That is actually an entirely different scenario. Snake was being inserted into Brawl as a character; it was not Metal Gear Solid appearing on the Wii. You're directly putting Snake into a game that non-Snake fans care about. I cannot back this up with any sort of concrete evidence, but I would wager that many people started caring a bit more about Snake just because he was put into Brawl. It would do more than any Metal Gear Solid game could ever do, even if one were released on the Wii. With Final Fantasy VI, you're simply taking a game that had already had its appearance on a Nintendo system in the past and putting it onto another Nintendo system, except in handheld form and giving it to people who might not have had the opportunity to play it. I don't suspect that you would see any sort of dramatic boost for Final Fantasy VI as a result, but it can only help out -- and not due to this sudden mass of Nintendo fans racing toward it. Remember, anyone who doesn't care about Final Fantasy VI before is not suddenly going to care now. Or maybe you'll have a few who are willing to give it another chance since it's easily accessible. Who knows. But you certainly are not going to see what happened to Snake. The Nintendo fanbase is already giving it plenty of support, even against Nintendo games. One honestly needs to look no further than how well it did against A Link to the Past. I wager that FFVI does not do much worse, if at all, against ALttP in a match today. ALttP may do a few percentage points better, but it won't be because of SFF or anything like that. It would just be how this site has changed a bit since 2004. Even with that change, though, people are not suddenly going to dislike FFVI less. I'm not saying FF6's original base won't be there, my point is that that base alone can't get it past Lttp/CT/Melee/Mario 3, as 2004 showed. But because that Elite group (plus TP) is almost all Nintendo big guns, the new support is going to evaporate and FF6 STILL won't be able to get over the hump. But put something like MGS in its line of fire, and I bet it the combined Nintendo/Square support could really surprise some people. I wholeheartedly disagree on a few of those. I would not expect it to beat ALttP or CT simply because those games were proven to be stronger than it. I don't see much reason for that to change, although the FFVIA release might help it out a bit. But SMB3, Melee, and TP? I have said it long before and I'll say it again -- I'd take FFVI over all three of them. I understand well that it is the farthest thing from a lock, and each match would be pretty intense except for maybe TP, but FFVI isn't a step below any of those games. It's right on par with them; it can very well beat them in a match. It can certainly lose, too, so don't think I'm saying it's a guarantee. I'd take my chances on it, though. --- "I am Judge Magister. Even in disgrace." -- Gabranth |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 2/9/2007 4:46:27 PM | message detail |
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That's one of the reasons I'd stick to my CT > LttP guns. I don't
think games will fluctuate as wildly as characters are prone to at
times. Though since we haven't had a second Games Contest, I can't say for sure! --- "I'm only here to see how the story plays out. Any self-respecting leading man would do the same." - Balthier |
