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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 435

Haste_2 | Posted 1/8/2007 6:11:55 PM | message detail
I was expecting Wii Sports to do better today.

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HaRRicH | Posted 1/8/2007 8:07:06 PM | message detail
As was I -- I was figuring it would get 15%-20%, not just under 10%.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/8/2007 8:21:57 PM | message detail
Funny thing is that Wii Sports is beating all the other games combined and it still didn't break 10%
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/8/2007 8:27:39 PM | message detail
Ha, hadn't even noticed. Barely, but nonetheless...and I guarantee that Wii Sports would be kicking so much more ass than it's letting on right now if LoZ:TP wasn't in this, too.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/8/2007 9:06:58 PM | message detail
Ha, look at Gears of War beat that ass for Oblivion five minutes in:

Dead Rising 10.94% 64
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 23.76% 139
Gears of War 52.14% 305
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 1.54% 9
Saints Row 1.54% 9
Table Tennis 3.93% 23
Viva Pinata 6.15% 36
TOTAL VOTES 585


I know therealmnm has gotta be happy right now with his prediction.
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Haste_2 | Posted 1/8/2007 9:22:29 PM | message detail
I'm surprised that ESIV can't even come close to competing. Looks like ESIV would be fodder, or close to it, in a game contest environment.

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HaRRicH | Posted 1/8/2007 9:27:20 PM | message detail
Ha...and, as a side-note, looking back at previous Xbox/360 polls, one could say it was obvious this would happen (though I would be down their throat about it if they did). Shooters like Halo, Halo 2, and CoD2 have all won GotY's here before, then other casual-friendly games like Splinter Cell and Ninja Gaiden Black have as well. Meanwhile, Morrowind had 3rd in 2k2's (behind Splinter Cell and MGS2:S) and Fable: The Lost Chapters had 3rd last year (behind Ninja Gaiden Black and Half-Life 2). SW:KotOR won GotY once, to be fair, and Morrowind is supposedly no Oblivion...but despite the arguments made by myself and others for Oblivion, I think this poll finalizes where the hearts and souls of Xbox/360 fans are at: the latest FPS.
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therealmnm | Posted 1/8/2007 10:07:06 PM | message detail
No slight against Oblivion, but I told you that people were putting too much stock in that early GotY poll!
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ZFS | Posted 1/8/2007 10:45:17 PM | message detail
Gears of War has sold something absurd like 2.8 million copies in 8 weeks, too. Heh.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/8/2007 10:48:28 PM | message detail
Looks like my FFXII : KH2 potential for this poll wasn't giving GoW enough credit. We might even have an interesting upset candidate for a next Games Contest...but even if it does surprisingly well in the overall poll too, I fear GTA-syndrome.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/8/2007 11:02:20 PM | message detail
Until the 360 sells more, I wouldn't say that about GoW yet. If Halo 3 is out by the time we have another Game Contest, then I would definitely agree...but until then, I'm gonna go easy on its upset potential.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 1/9/2007 5:26:25 AM | message detail
So, GeoW > KH2, anyone? I know there's more SFF in this poll, but Oblivion was a lot closer to KH2 than it is to GeoW.
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Haste_2 | Posted 1/9/2007 5:27:59 AM | message detail
Well, since FFXII and KH2 will split the Square/RPG votes, it seems very plausible.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 1/9/2007 6:13:09 AM | message detail
Gears of War over KHII? Not a chance. Throw FFXII into this poll, and it destroys everything.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 1/9/2007 6:29:45 AM | message detail
For those interested in the Nomination Rally, here is the final bracket for the Returners Tournament:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=197283

The bracket for the rally itself will be up later today. Bah, Slow and his 128 characters last year.
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 1/9/2007 6:40:24 AM | message detail
Not that it can be helped, but this is just boiling down to Fox vs. Raiden again isn't it?
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 1/9/2007 10:31:35 AM | message detail
That seemed pretty obvious from the nominations.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 1/9/2007 10:46:53 AM | message detail
The two Nomination Rally Brackets are here:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=197331
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therealmnm | Posted 1/9/2007 2:02:48 PM | message detail
Gears of War is laying the smack down on Oblivion. I can't believe that Gears of War wasn't even mentioned in this topic during early discussion of the final GotY polls last topic. My eyes practically popped out when I first saw that Gears of War hadn't even been mentioned in the discussion. I was like... "huh, did I miss something?" No slight on Oblivion, but I simply couldn't see it as a gimme for Xbox 360 game of the year seeing how Gears of War splashed and how popular the game currently is. Plus, it's not like Elder Scrolls impressed in the series contest (blame it on people not knowing Oblivion was "Elder Scrolls" all you want :-P).

The only thing people were pointing to was the early GotY poll. And again, each of those main options in that poll appealed to mostly separate demographics (KHII:PS2, Oblivion:Xbox/360, NSMB:Nintendo/handheld). It said little about how those games would fare against other popular games within their demographic. And at the end, all 3 ended up getting beat (or ALMOST in NSMB's case).
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/9/2007 2:24:25 PM | message detail
I thought about it, but I just didn't think it would happen until you made an argument for it...and even then I was skeptical. Obviously, most of us were wrong, but damn, I didn't think any of us would be this wrong -- I doubt even you were expecting an ass-kicking like this, ha.
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therealmnm | Posted 1/9/2007 3:27:34 PM | message detail
Well really, I didn't expect Gears of War to have any trouble with it. After seeing everybody automatically take Oblivion, I thought maybe there would be a possibility of Gears of War being the next flop in GotY polls rather than another Halo (as it's looking to be). Plus I started considering the possibility that Oblivion's PC fanbase in addition to Gears of War possibly flopping could give Oblivion a win. But I still fully expected Gears of War to take the poll without much of a problem (at least how FFXII took the PS2 poll).

In retrospect, this shouldn't be surprising. The Xbox/360 fanbase isn't known as being privy to RPGs over something like Gears of War. Oblivion did well in that poll because there were no better options for that fanbase to pick. As far as Oblivion being a popular PC game... Yeah, it has that. But it's no Warcraft, Starcraft, or Half-Life as far as PC popularity goes. It's not like the PC gaming base is incredibly large (look at the PC GotY vote totals compared to the DS, Gamecube, PS2). And from this poll, it's apparent that the PC fanbase didn't bother to support Oblivion in this poll (or maybe it was the 360 fanbase helping support Oblivion in the PC poll??!??!?!).
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 1/9/2007 7:42:13 PM | message detail
And again, each of those main options in that poll appealed to mostly separate demographics (KHII:PS2, Oblivion:Xbox/360, NSMB:Nintendo/handheld). It said little about how those games would fare against other popular games within their demographic.

Uh, I doubt GameFAQs has much of an X360 fanbase. I'd bet that 90%+ of 360 owners on this site have a PS2/GCN, and that a most of them have a DS, too. And if they're RPG fans, they probably own both KH2 and Oblivion. Oblivion did that well in the early GotY poll based on its own strength (and KH2's weakness).
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/9/2007 8:49:29 PM | message detail
There were nom rally topics already? :(

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therealmnm | Posted 1/9/2007 9:02:09 PM | message detail
Lego Star Wars FTW?
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Big Bob | Posted 1/9/2007 9:06:32 PM | message detail
If this isn't proof Darth Vader would kick ass in a character battle, I don't know what is.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/9/2007 9:08:32 PM | message detail
Wow, ha...

Tomb Raider: Legend 6.45% 32

...I just found that funny for all the preaching XIII was doing earlier this year. Not that bad predictions don't happen to the best of us, heh, but still.
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Janus5000 | Posted 1/9/2007 9:12:03 PM | message detail
I think the board vote just likes legos.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/9/2007 9:16:08 PM | message detail
Heh...KH2 will miss the overall-GotY poll for games like Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy and maybe a second LoZ:TP-option.
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Big Bob | Posted 1/9/2007 9:19:01 PM | message detail
I've never even played Lego Star Wars II, but this result pleases me to no end.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/9/2007 9:25:51 PM | message detail
There's actually been a lot of Star Wars-related games that have done well in GotY polls. We see tonight's poll right now, SW:KotOR was Xbox-GotY, SW:KotOR was 2nd or 3rd in an Xbox-GotY with Halo 2, SW:Battlefield won a multi-platform poll before...

...does anybody else have other examples?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 1/10/2007 6:36:39 AM | message detail
Uh, Rogue Leader was by far the most popular GCN launch game, and crushed everything but SSBM in the GCN GotY poll.

Also, lol Halo: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=700
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Big Bob | Posted 1/10/2007 7:21:39 AM | message detail
(5) Vaan
(12) Jigglypuff


I would so take Jigglypuff for the upset.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 1/10/2007 1:43:32 PM | message detail
Well, you can, if you want...
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 1/10/2007 1:49:26 PM | message detail
Got myself an upset pick for the Returners Tournament >_>
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2007 1:52:02 PM | message detail
*awaits the triumphant return*

Given today's competition, I was thinking Madden would have done better than, well, what it usually does. Way to not impress again.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 1/10/2007 1:53:50 PM | message detail
Heh, almost the exact same percentage it got against Super Mario Brothers. Maybe the same 9-10% vote for it all the time and nobody else does.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2007 1:55:43 PM | message detail
We really needed a Madden/Shadow Hearts match then.
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therealmnm | Posted 1/10/2007 2:13:14 PM | message detail
OMG Shadow Hearts... is that some kind of new Kingdom Hearts game? *votes it over Madden*
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 1/10/2007 2:40:56 PM | message detail
I'm with mnm on this one... why was anyone suprised about the 360 poll? That kind of smackdown by GoW was exactly what I was expecting, if not worse. I can't go through a day without hearing 5 people talking about it.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 1/10/2007 2:41:36 PM | message detail
GoW deserved it. Its the best shoot em up game I've played since the original Halo.
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trannyscience | Posted 1/10/2007 5:34:06 PM | message detail
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having read all the arguments made in this topic, I was saying things to myself like "KH2 over FF12? you're nuts!" and "Oblivion over Gears of War? ha!", but it's always easier to say things like that after you've seen the result. (though I hadn't been to the main page yet today and didn't know the 360 poll was up) I also agree that GOW would suffer from "GTA Syndrome", or Halo Syndrome, or whatever you want to call it. I think, assuming we get the Big Three in the final poll, it'll look something like this:

Twilight Princess: 48%
FFXII: 31%
GOW: 21%

we'll see though. GOW would have decent strength, but it obviously won't approach Halo's. I think it would be kind of like Ryu, something that could look good as long as it's not going up against Square or Nintendo. I could see something like NSMB beating it in a poll just because a lot of Nintendo voters will back Mario against an Xbox title no matter what.

as for the nomination rally? well, assuming we get a character battle, I want to see Akuma more than anybody else. I think Mewtwo, Rinoa/Seifer and Balthier would be great, too. I don't want to see FF7 character #6, SSBM character #10 or FF character who had a cameo in KH2 #15. I still want to see Fox back though, and I think some of the best characters to get in would be the ones that made it and simply need the right opponent now. POP, Kratos, Raiden come to mind here. I'd much rather rally for those guys than a fighting game character that we know will be at the fodder line if they're lucky.

and if we get a game contest? I'd like to see people decide on a Mega Man game and get it in. I'd like to see Chrono Cross. (I still want to see Serge or Citan pretty badly, by the way, but I've pretty much given up hope) I'd like to see all the new games, of course, but I don't think they'd need rallying. I want to see Super Mario Kart and I want to see either Majora's Mask or SSB. I'd also like to see a Sonic game get another chance, ie not against Nintendo.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 1/10/2007 5:35:02 PM | message detail
GoW isn't exactly a shoot 'em up... neither is Halo.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 1/10/2007 5:35:39 PM | message detail
GoW isn't exactly a shoot 'em up... neither is Halo.

War Game/FPS/TPS/Kill people/You know what I mean.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 1/10/2007 5:37:40 PM | message detail
And I feel the same way as tranny about everything he just posted (PoP yo!), as for which Mega Man game to pick, I'd just say go with the original, it may not be everyone's favorite game, but I think it's as good of a choice as any, and I don't think anyone really dislikes it.

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trannyscience | Posted 1/10/2007 5:39:34 PM | message detail
no, the original would be bad. it's between three games:

2
3
X

I actually have thought about having a little contest should we get games nominations -- those three and another random Mega Man game (maybe the original) in a fourpack, where the voters agree to nominate the winner no matter what. that way we get to see one Mega Man game's popularity. I'd like to end this "Mega Man and Sonic are popular for their character designs and not their games" argument once and for all, either for or against.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 1/10/2007 5:40:56 PM | message detail
Why not the original? I don't really care, 2 is my personal favorite, so I'd definitely be cool with that. As for X, I don't know, I feel the original series would do much better.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/10/2007 5:41:14 PM | message detail
I think that argument pretty much fell flat on its face in the Series Contest...now it's just down to seeing if it's down to any individual games or if the games are only popular as a whole.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/10/2007 5:42:11 PM | message detail
And the original Mega Man isn't that good or popular...it just came first. To expect it to beat MM2 or MM3 in a poll is like expecting the original SMB to beat SMB3 in a poll.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 1/10/2007 5:42:55 PM | message detail
Which argument, Original > X? If so, I don't really think so, granted I never thought there would be much of a difference in strength between the two, but however small it may be, I feel the original would fair better.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/10/2007 5:43:35 PM | message detail
I'd like to end this "Mega Man and Sonic are popular for their character designs and not their games" argument once and for all,

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