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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 434

Haste_2 | Posted 12/11/2006 1:49:51 PM | message detail
Halo games seem to be weaker with the day vote than Master Chief.

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/11/2006 1:53:25 PM | message detail
Whatever, it just looks that way due to the day-time beasts it's had to face, like Starcraft and Castlevania!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/11/2006 2:13:15 PM | message detail
Games and characters don't seem to share the same trends. Ask Metal Gear and Solid Snake.
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 12/12/2006 6:56:28 PM | message detail
And since when does Final Fantasy lose the Night Vote?


The second night vote is often different. Crono did nothing against Sonic during the "second night vote"

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 12/13/2006 2:37:49 PM | message detail
Especially considering the poll start at midnight now.

This place is so boring these days... and I'm not talking about just this topic.

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Haste_2 | Posted 12/13/2006 10:14:49 PM | message detail
Samus Aran, Mario, Solid Snake. Rank 'em by indirect strength.

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/13/2006 10:23:22 PM | message detail
Mario, Samus, Solid.

I'm not buying Solid being at Mario's level, and I'm skeptical about Solid being indirectly stronger than Samus.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/14/2006 12:01:44 AM | message detail
Well, then you're telling me either Snake overperformed on Sonic/Mega Man, Zelda overperformed on Samus, or both.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/14/2006 2:23:55 AM | message detail
I've been saying Zelda over-performed on Samus, though I dunno if it's enough to match the stats...but I swear I'm not going to try to relate this year's stats to last year's, and I doubt I'll do it next year either. I think by this time next year, we'll simply be having a clean slate.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/14/2006 2:25:13 AM | message detail
Side-note, but I'm off to New York now. Wish my country-ass touristy-self some luck.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/14/2006 8:02:01 AM | message detail
I believe that Snake overperformed by a % or more on Sonic. I'm sorry, but I refuse to buy the idea that Samus would do better on Sonic NOW than she did in 2004, or that she would approach 60% on Crono in a match that some deem to be debatable (incidentally, this would give a lot of credence to the idea of Samus > Mario indirectly...err, yeah). If we're actually talking about why, then I have no clue. Maybe a certain degree of SFF.

Oh, and Zelda overperformed on Samus as well. VCF, people.
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King Morgoth | Posted 12/14/2006 9:51:18 AM | message detail
Indirect strength?
I still stand by Samus Aran > Mario > Solid Snake
Though yes, Mario still beats Samus pretty bad if they go against each other...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 12/14/2006 9:54:48 AM | message detail
Virtually NOTHING Samus did in the course of the year leads me to believe that she's indirectly stronger than Mario, and I stand by that. When your most impressive performance is 53% on Solid Snake, that's not good enough to stand up to Mario, directly or indirectly.
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Mikey Lenetia | Posted 12/14/2006 9:56:57 AM | message detail
Yeah, gotta love the SFF factor. I, personally, think Samus is better than Mario in just about every way. Oh well... -_-
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Haste_2 | Posted 12/14/2006 10:59:52 AM | message detail
If you measure from constant Sonic (slightly low if anything), that puts Samus' x-stat value at 45.60%, and Snake's at 42.77%.

Considering no Mario characters increased (arguably), you've got to admit to either Samus being quite a bit stronger than Mario (doesn't make sense to me) or that Samus/Snake and/or Snake/Sonic was a fluke, and by more than like 1%. Think about it. Oh, and I'm talking Mario 2K5 here, and, really, I don't think Mario has gotten any stronger, anyway.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/14/2006 9:10:07 PM | message detail
who knows.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/15/2006 9:48:38 PM | message detail
No one posted here in a day?

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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/15/2006 9:53:23 PM | message detail
Not much to discuss.
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Childproof | Posted 12/16/2006 5:06:44 PM | message detail
How about we discuss EC's mom
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Karma Hunter | Posted 12/16/2006 5:10:28 PM | message detail
I *really* think Snake/Sonic was the fluke, if only because Mega Man seemed so pathetic in his runup to his demise while Sonic and Crono seemed much more solid. Really, Crono does better on Auron than Mega Man does on Sora, yet Mega Man > Crono? Something's off there.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 12/16/2006 8:47:42 PM | message detail
Have I mentioned how much I despise the off-season? This topic has been devoid of activity because of it, the board hardly has anything interesting going on besides all these crazy user tournaments and "Save my Mom" and "Heal/Hurt my Final Fantasy Class" and all of that bull ****. Now I don't want CJayC to be pumping out contests like babies or anything, but I wish there was some way to vigorate Board 8 with some exxcitement. I've got like, 145 active posts right now >_>
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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/16/2006 8:50:10 PM | message detail
...My contest isn't too bad and deviates from the norm.

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ZFS | Posted 12/16/2006 8:51:25 PM | message detail
I've got a whopping 77 active messages.


We could always discuss that beating Link laid down this year !!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/16/2006 8:52:18 PM | message detail
BOOOOOOOORING.

Solid Snake ousting Sephiroth was MUCH better.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/16/2006 9:19:51 PM | message detail
I *really* think Snake/Sonic was the fluke, if only because Mega Man seemed so pathetic in his runup to his demise while Sonic and Crono seemed much more solid. Really, Crono does better on Auron than Mega Man does on Sora, yet Mega Man > Crono? Something's off there.

Agreed.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/16/2006 10:17:18 PM | message detail
From Karma Hunter Posted 12/16/2006 8:10:28 PM #320
I *really* think Snake/Sonic was the fluke, if only because Mega Man seemed so pathetic in his runup to his demise while Sonic and Crono seemed much more solid. Really, Crono does better on Auron than Mega Man does on Sora, yet Mega Man > Crono? Something's off there.

SFF in every match and such <_<

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DivineKnight44 | Posted 12/16/2006 10:18:43 PM | message detail
Or pissed of Crono fans? Crono has a hardcore fanbase and he had just lost in a close match againt Sonic. You think those Crono fans are going to turn around and vote for Sonic?

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swirIdude | Posted 12/16/2006 10:25:27 PM | message detail
Oh I know how to create an uproar! If Knuckles had faced Magus this year, who would have won?!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 12/16/2006 10:38:56 PM | message detail
Even if you want to write off the Sora/Auron comparison, that's not the only piece of evidence. Go to lol x-stats and plug in Bowser v. Ryu for 2006. Yeah. I'm open to the ideas of Bowser overperforming on Ryu due to funky Nintendo > SF overperforming, characters underperforming when they hit Squintendo characters as opposed to other companies, or just having a bad year in general. But come on. That's just nuts.

One can be written off as a fluke, two is suspicious, but three times? Ryu simply cannot beat Bowser, Sora simply cannot beat Auron, and, sad as it may be to say, in 2006 Mega Man was simply not beating Crono.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 12/17/2006 12:13:29 AM | message detail
Knuckles would of undeservingly won. Again.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/17/2006 1:35:53 AM | message detail
LL has just launched a Game Contest! Let's Predict It as if this were the bracket for next Spring's GameFAQs Game Contest!

(PS - there are no seeds)

North Division
Baldur's Gate
Fallout

Gears of War
Kirby Superstar

StarCraft
System Shock 2

Xenogears
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
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Halo
Goldeneye

Doom
Civilization 4

Fallout 2
Grim Fandango

Pokemon G/S/C
Warcraft III

East Division
Superman 64
Resident Evil 4

Guitar Hero 2
Counter-Strike

Final Fantasy VI
Perfect Dark

Super Metroid
Tony Hawk 2
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GTA: San Andreas
Ocarina of Time

Grand Theft Auto III
Earthbound

Metal Gear Solid 3
Elder Scrolls: Morrowind

Halo 2
Final Fantasy VII

West Division
Final Fantasy VIII
Super Mario World

Mario 64
Metal Gear Solid

Deus Ex
Metal Gear Solid 2

Zelda: Twilight Princess
FF Tactics
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World of Warcraft
Metroid Prime

Diablo II
Shadow of the Colossus

Psychonauts
Big Rigs

Star Wars: KotOR
SSB Melee

South Division
Planescape: Torment
Paper Mario

Half-Life
Majora's Mask

Tetris
Final Fantasy IX

Mario 3
Sonic 3 and Knuckles
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Unreal Tournament
Mario RPG

Pokemon Red/Blue
Baldur's Gate 2

Link to the Past
Half-Life 2

Castlevania: SotN
Chrono Trigger

Goofy-looking bracket, but some interesting matchups all around!

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Janus5000 | Posted 12/17/2006 1:43:20 AM | message detail
North Division
Baldur's Gate
Gears of War
StarCraft
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Goldeneye
Doom
Fallout 2
Pokemon G/S/C

East Division
Resident Evil 4
Counter-Strike
Final Fantasy VI
Super Metroid
Ocarina of Time
Grand Theft Auto III
Metal Gear Solid 3
Final Fantasy VII

West Division
Super Mario World
Mario 64
Metal Gear Solid 2
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime
Diablo II
Psychonauts
SSB Melee

South Division
Paper Mario
Majora's Mask
Final Fantasy IX
Mario 3
Mario RPG
Pokemon Red/Blue
Link to the Past
Chrono Trigger

North Division
Gears of War
StarCraft
Goldeneye
Pokemon G/S/C

East Division
Resident Evil 4
Final Fantasy VI
Ocarina of Time
Final Fantasy VII

West Division
Mario 64
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime
SSB Melee

South Division
Majora's Mask
Mario 3
Pokemon Red/Blue
Link to the Past

North Division
StarCraft
Goldeneye

East Division
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII

West Division
Zelda: Twilight Princess
SSB Melee

South Division
Mario 3
Link to the Past

Goldeneye
Final Fantasy VII
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Link to the Past

FFVII > TP

lawl NintendoLowerHalfOFBracketFAQs
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__Smurf__ | Posted 12/17/2006 1:45:25 AM | message detail
Of course Snake/Sonic was an overperformance.
It's no coincidence that the year Knuckles doesn't play Snake is the year that he gets a massive boost. Something funky obviously exists between MGS and Sonic.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/17/2006 2:21:37 AM | message detail
Haven't been in here in a while. I see nothing exciting is going on. >_>
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 12/17/2006 8:59:24 AM | message detail
Interesting bracket...

North Division
Baldur's Gate(This is sort of a Silent Hill/Fire Emblem affair here. I think more people have played Baldur's Gate in perspective.)

Kirby Superstar(Just barely...I forsee Gears of War becoming the next Halo)

StarCraft

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
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Halo

Doom

Fallout 2

Warcraft III

East Division
Resident Evil 4

Guitar Hero 2

Final Fantasy VI

Super Metroid
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Ocarina of Time

Earthbound

Metal Gear Solid 3

Final Fantasy VII

West Division
Super Mario World

Mario 64

Metal Gear Solid 2

Zelda: Twilight Princess
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World of Warcraft

Diablo II

Psychonauts

SSB Melee

South Division
Paper Mario

Majora's Mask

Tetris

Mario 3
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Mario RPG

Pokemon Red/Blue

Link to the Past

Chrono Trigger

2nd Round:
Kirby
Starcraft
Halo
Warcraft III
RE4
FF6
Ocarina of Time
MGS3
Mario 64
Twlight Princess
World of Warcraft
SSB Melee
Paper Mario(omg upset)
Mario 3
Mario RPG
Link to the Past

3rd Round: Starcraft
Halo
FF6
Ocarina of Time
Twlight Princess
Melee
Mario 3
Link to the Past

4th Round:
Starcraft
Ocarina of Time
Twlight Princess
Link to the Past(wtf at a fourpack of Zelda games)

5th Round:
Ocarina of Time
Link to the Past

Final: Ocarina of Time
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/17/2006 9:19:32 PM | message detail
I guess.

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Z1mZum | Posted 12/17/2006 9:57:55 PM | message detail
So uh...

Whats going on?
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Big Bob | Posted 12/17/2006 10:28:36 PM | message detail
Snake overperforming on Sonic would explain a lot of things, actually:

Zero (2006c) VS Ryu Hayabusa (2006c)

Zero has a strength of 28.52.
Ryu Hayabusa has a strength of 25.36.

Zero wins with 55.54% of the vote!
A win of 13,889 with 125,351 total votes cast.

Does anyone really think Zero dropped THAT much?

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Ganondorf (2006c) VS Yuna (2006c)

Ganondorf has a strength of 35.16.
Yuna has a strength of 35.26.

Yuna wins with 50.14% of the vote!
A win of 373 with 131,622 total votes cast.

Uh-huh. A 20-second cameo turns a 60-40 beating into an upset.

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On top of that, Snake seemed leagues above everybody else until he hit Samus, where he reverted back to his old self + maybe 3 percent, which is a reasonable boost.

Samus (2005c) VS Snake (2005c)

Samus has a strength of 41.69.
Snake has a strength of 36.97.

Samus wins with 55.66% of the vote!
A win of 11,363 with 100,369 total votes cast.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 12/18/2006 5:33:44 AM | message detail

Ganondorf (2006c) VS Yuna (2006c)

Ganondorf has a strength of 35.16.
Yuna has a strength of 35.26.

Yuna wins with 50.14% of the vote!
A win of 373 with 131,622 total votes cast.

Uh-huh. A 20-second cameo turns a 60-40 beating into an upset.


lol has nothing to do with sonic lol

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__Smurf__ | Posted 12/18/2006 5:56:39 AM | message detail
Nonsense. There is nothing suspect whatsoever about Sonic v Snake.

Sonic (2006c) VS Tifa (2006c)

Sonic has a strength of 38.70.
Tifa has a strength of 41.01.

Tifa wins with 52.82% of the vote!
A win of 7,954 with 141,218 total votes cast.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 12/18/2006 12:51:44 PM | message detail
Because Tifa is totally legit.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/18/2006 1:16:02 PM | message detail
On top of that, Snake seemed leagues above everybody else until he hit Samus, where he reverted back to his old self + maybe 3 percent, which is a reasonable boost.

Samus (2005c) VS Snake (2005c)

Samus has a strength of 41.69.
Snake has a strength of 36.97.

Samus wins with 55.66% of the vote!
A win of 11,363 with 100,369 total votes cast.


Putting Samus 2k4 in there makes Snake look somewhat more impressive.

lol has nothing to do with sonic lol

Why not? Ganon seems plenty underrated, and he was behind Sonic.

Luigi vs. Sonic is also fairly compelling evidence that Sonic's division is underrated. Sonic made Luigi look weaker than Luigi 2k5, despite Luigi's string of amazing performances.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 12/18/2006 5:15:32 PM | message detail
I never said I have a problem with Sonic being possibly underrated, I didn't take it into account in my stats, but it's possible. My point was that match with Tifa has little to do with Sonic, that's because of extreme Tifa overration.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/18/2006 5:27:12 PM | message detail
Well, that and possible Samus/Snake overperformance. Honestly, Zelda being stronger than every male except for Snake ain't right. She didn't put up the numbers to warrant that.

Of course, maybe she overperformed on Samus, too, but who knows?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/18/2006 9:16:35 PM | message detail
She probably did.

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Haste_2 | Posted 12/18/2006 9:24:18 PM | message detail
Well, I'd be hard-pressed to place Zelda above Ganondorf... that makes her quarter-bracket seem too strong, except Aeris. Basically, if Zelda vs. Samus was accurate, that means Samus would be worth around 40% on BL. Maybe it -could- be the case, as it makes Tifa's overperformance on Samus seem a little more feasible. Then, you'd be nearly forced to say that Snake/Sonic was a major anomaly as well, and that Mega Man weakened quite a bit from 2K5 (i.e. struggle to beat Vincent), unless you believe Samus truly rSFFed Snake almost to Mario/Samus proportions.

I'd rather say Samus didn't weaken at all, though, and Zelda/Samus rSFF does make some sense to me.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/18/2006 9:26:43 PM | message detail
There's no doubt Mega Man struggles against Vincent. Sonic barely beat him by 5000 votes.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 12/19/2006 8:38:30 AM | message detail
I'd rather say Samus didn't weaken at all, though, and Zelda/Samus rSFF does make some sense to me.

Stick it, EC!
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 12/19/2006 11:27:27 AM | message detail
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LeonhartForever | Posted 12/19/2006 2:08:54 PM | message detail
Probably a jab somewhere along the lines of your unwavering support of Samus all throughout the contest.
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