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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 434
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/6/2006 9:21:55 PM | message detail |
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And I wonder if we'll get a FFVII-FFXII poll tomorrow. Here you have it. I know right now it's only fifteen minutes into it...but, uh, FF12 is currently behind FFX, FF8, and even FF9. It's nothing to get bent out of shape over right now, I know, but it's worth mentioning two things here. One, FFX dominated when it won GotY despite only being out for, what, three weeks? I know it didn't have to put up with SFF, but it's worth keeping in mind when GotY's roll around...and two, both FF8 and FF9 are probably suffering from FF7 more than FF12 is suffering from either FF7 or FFX. Just a guess though, and again, it's really too early to say...but I would think KH2 is still in line for GotY unless more people have Wiis here at the end of the year. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/6/2006 9:33:42 PM | message detail |
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Yesterday's poll went pretty much according to my expectations, but
this result is a little surprising. Especially Final Fantasy XII as the
least popular of the "real" Final Fantasys, and, to a lesser extent,
Final Fantasy X's strong hold on second place at the expense of Final
Fantasy VIII. I would have guessed XII, X, and VIII would all be pretty
close with IX trailing; instead we've got X comfortably ahead of VIII
comfortably ahead of IX and XII. I hope we get a Zelda poll (either split into 2D/3D or together) over the next day or two. I'll be interested to see where Twilight Princess ends up. Maybe it'll eat into Ocarina's support enough for Link to the Past to get a plurality! --- Mustache...and green... |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/6/2006 10:04:00 PM | message detail |
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Nah, I hope it's divided into 2D/3D. I'd like to see how LoZ:WW and
LoZ:MM hold up without the old-school classics and with LoZ:TP in the
mix. I'd also like to see how well LoZ holds up to LoZ:LttP without the
3D games, since LoZ did much better in the Top 100 List than LoZ:WW or
LoZ:MM yet fell inbetween them (being much closer to LoZ:MM [#5] than
LoZ:WW [#3]) in the last LoZ-fave poll we had: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225 Heh...besides, I wouldn't mind seeing how Zelda 2 performed in such a poll anyway. I'm gonna bring up the Top 100 List again though, now that I just mentioned it: remember when FF3/6 got #10 on that list, and FFX got #12? Just to name some small factors, but there were more 3D FF's on the drop-down box than 2D FF's...and we see in today's poll that FFX is trying to distance itself from the rest of the 3D FF's not named FF7...and we've since seen KH2 and FF12 be released and received well here...and we've had one new system for over a year now while two other big-time systems just got released, so that should bring in some new traffic of the new generation of gamers...and Celes bombed in her debut while Terra managed to somehow bomb worse this year...and, though Tidus was SFF'd, Yuna and Auron both showed great strength this year... ...just saying, would anybody take FFX over FF3/6? --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| ZFS | Posted 12/6/2006 10:09:56 PM | message detail |
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We must see a poll with Zelda after these are finished. Twilight Princess beats out Ocarina of Time! Believe! --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 12/6/2006 10:12:58 PM | message detail |
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Hmm, so it's as I thought. FFXII really is suffering from a bit of "FFI
syndrome". Really, I don't know how much stronger Vaan would be than
Zidane and I really can't see any FFXII character being stronger than
Vivi. --- Let the snow fall deep, the rain drive down, and the wind buffet my cloak. I care not for I've a road worth walking ~ Drizzt Do'Urden |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 12/6/2006 10:13:22 PM | message detail |
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*FFIX syndrome --- Let the snow fall deep, the rain drive down, and the wind buffet my cloak. I care not for I've a road worth walking ~ Drizzt Do'Urden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/6/2006 10:15:24 PM | message detail |
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Ha, and FF11 just has no excuse. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| zwong1 | Posted 12/6/2006 10:16:10 PM | message detail |
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I am sorry but what is FFIX syndrome. --- I am a Singaporean and hope Snake will do well for the rest of the contest. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/6/2006 10:16:31 PM | message detail |
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Isn't that "FFIX syndrome" meaning to say it's getting hurt because it
came out at the end of the generation? I really don't think that's the
case here. I think it's more because of how split Final Fantasy XII is
between the fans. It's one of those things that some will love and
others will hate. It just likes the appeal that most of the recent
Final Fantasy games have to a lot of its fans, I'd say. Although that
may be what you're referring to with "FFIX syndrome"; I just had always
seen that reference to show that it came out too late in a system's
lifespan. --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 12/6/2006 10:18:26 PM | message detail |
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I think it's more because of how split Final Fantasy XII is between
the fans. It's one of those things that some will love and others will
hate. It just likes the appeal that most of the recent Final Fantasy
games have to a lot of its fans, I'd say. Although that may be what
you're referring to with "FFIX syndrome Yeah, that's actually what I meant because the last FF isn't always the most unpopular of the trio (Hello FFVI) --- Let the snow fall deep, the rain drive down, and the wind buffet my cloak. I care not for I've a road worth walking ~ Drizzt Do'Urden |
| Yesmar | Posted 12/7/2006 11:03:27 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I was gonna post about how disappointing FFXII was doing, but
people have already beaten me to it. I wouldn't consider these numbers
that disappointing if the match was being held months from now, but the
game is just over a month old and it can't muster 10%. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 2:19:59 PM | message detail |
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I'll ask again: would anybody take FFX over FF3/6? --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 12/7/2006 2:26:23 PM | message detail |
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I would. I think it'd be close at any rate. FFXII being behind FFVII-FFX doesn't surprise me that much, really. Put it in a "What is your current GotY?" poll and it'll do noticeably better. Put it up against Final Fantasy games that most FF fans have already beaten, and it's going to have a difficult time doing AS well. After all, you're basically going to have to have beaten it before you want to place it above other FF favorites. In a GotY poll, it's not quite the same. --- "They said you were dead." - Raiden "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 12/7/2006 2:26:39 PM | message detail |
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However, FFXII is catching up to FFIX right now. --- "They said you were dead." - Raiden "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 2:36:09 PM | message detail |
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I agree it'll definitely do better in GotY polls, but wasn't FFX able
to outdo FF3/6 on a FF-fave poll shortly after its release once? FF12
is failing to outdo FF9 on a modern-FF-fave poll shortly after its
release...that's a huge difference. At any rate, I'm still inclined to take KH2 for GotY here. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 2:37:24 PM | message detail |
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I'll also agree that FFX would make it close with FF3/6 and very well
could win...I dunno if I'd take that risky upset, but it sure would be
tempting. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 12/7/2006 2:45:39 PM | message detail |
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I'd actually wager that Twilight Princess ends up winning the inevitable Game of the Year poll. --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/7/2006 2:49:44 PM | message detail |
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I'd say Twilight Princess had the best chance, if only because Kingdom
Hearts II and Final Fantasy XII will compete with each other a fair
amount. The only other big Nintendo game this year is New Super Mario
Bros. --- Mustache...and green... |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 12/7/2006 2:58:42 PM | message detail |
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If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on KHII winning for PS2. --- Let the snow fall deep, the rain drive down, and the wind buffet my cloak. I care not for I've a road worth walking ~ Drizzt Do'Urden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 3:01:01 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but say it goes to the Final Three like it has the past several
years. LoZ:TP might win at first (might even win it all if enough Wiis
are sold), but what games do you think will make the final GotY poll? I
predict LoZ:TP, KH2, and Oblivion...but whatever that third game is, as
long as it's not FF12, I'm keeping my money on KH2 taking it. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 12/7/2006 3:01:21 PM | message detail |
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I agree it'll definitely do better in GotY polls, but wasn't FFX
able to outdo FF3/6 on a FF-fave poll shortly after its release once?
FF12 is failing to outdo FF9 on a modern-FF-fave poll shortly after its
release...that's a huge difference. Well, the release of FFX and FFXII were different circumstances as well. Final Fantasy X was pretty much one of the most highly anticipated PS2 games ever at the time. It was the first game on the system, and with all of the new changes made to the series, people were looking forward to it. FFXII got caught in the transition era. Basically, it's possible that it will suffer from the FFIX Syndrome here. --- "They said you were dead." - Raiden "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 12/7/2006 3:02:05 PM | message detail |
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First Final Fantays game on the system, that is... --- "They said you were dead." - Raiden "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 12/7/2006 3:03:01 PM | message detail |
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TP is a lock to win it all. Remember, TP will be out for GC in a little over a week --- Let the snow fall deep, the rain drive down, and the wind buffet my cloak. I care not for I've a road worth walking ~ Drizzt Do'Urden |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 12/7/2006 3:03:04 PM | message detail |
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Keep in mind that it is a transition to the joke that is the
Playstation 3. I wouldn't be too worried about FFXII suffering the FFIX
Syndrome if I were you. ~~~ Larsa > Balthier > Basch > Fran > Vaan > Vayne > Penelo > Montblanc > The Dungeon Seeqs > Ashe http://www.flowsion.net/blogs/?w=Genesis |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 3:03:33 PM | message detail |
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Even still, that difference is massive. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 12/7/2006 3:04:16 PM | message detail |
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Oh, it won't suffer nearly as much, I agree (After all, it still might
catch FFIX by the end of the poll), but it sure doesn't help,
especially with the transition that this site has made to Nintendo
since FFX was released. --- "They said you were dead." - Raiden "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 3:06:23 PM | message detail |
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I'm curious how well LoZ:TP on GC is actually going to sell. I mean,
yeah, it's going to take GC's GotY this year with ease, heh, not to
mention help LoZ:TP-Wii's chances, but that's something I'm curious
about. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 12/7/2006 3:11:54 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but say it goes to the Final Three like it has the past
several years. LoZ:TP might win at first (might even win it all if
enough Wiis are sold), but what games do you think will make the final
GotY poll? I predict LoZ:TP, KH2, and Oblivion...but whatever that
third game is, as long as it's not FF12, I'm keeping my money on KH2
taking it. I don't think Twilight Princess is going to have that much competition winning the Game of the Year poll. It will be out all over the world in a few days on Wii and then it's coming out on the GameCube worldwide next week. Pretty much everyone who wants to get the game will be able to well before these polls even start. Regardless of whether it's KH2 or FFXII in the final, TP should win without too much of a problem, I don't think. --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| therealmnm | Posted 12/7/2006 5:35:01 PM | message detail |
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FFXII doesn't have NEARLY the excuse of "FFIX syndrome" as FFIX itself.
FFXII came after a 5-year drought since the last proper FF game? Not to
mention Square not really doing much for itself besides KH2. FFIX not
only had to deal with being overshadowed by the PS2 release and people
anticipating FFX, but it also had TONS of competition from other Square
RPGs. It was released not too long after FFVIII and also had to compete
with the likes of Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, Threads of Fate,
Parasite Eve 2, etc. Frankly, I'm happy IX is doing this well!!! --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 6:32:25 PM | message detail |
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Also, as already mentioned, throw in that the Playstation 2 was so much
more anticipated than the Playstation 3...and FF12 just doesn't really
have any excuse to be doing like this. Even if it finishes ahead of FF9
now, it should have been doing much better. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 6:37:50 PM | message detail |
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I dunno. I really didn't expect FFXII to beat FFIX today. Sure, it's
got recency and all that, but it still wasn't pushed nearly as much as
FFX was. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 7:01:21 PM | message detail |
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I was thinking it would wind up around wherever FF8 would land, maybe a
bit better. To be below/even with FF9 for favorite-modern-FF, and for
it to be considered as a love-hate type of game...that doesn't fare
well for it, that's all. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 7:06:15 PM | message detail |
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FFXII above FFVIII? Why would you expect that? Because it's new? FFVIII
is usually right there with FFX, and you knew there was no way FFXII
would beat that one out. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 7:44:07 PM | message detail |
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FF8 is usually the next-closest, sure, but I wouldn't say normally side-by-side... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=762 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1178 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1443 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1573 http://transience.paragonsigma.com/top100.txt http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2593 ...there's probably our best sources for comparison since FFX's release. We know the first poll certainly shouldn't count. However, the second one probably should, and it's interesting to see that the third and fourth ones -- where FFX and FF8 are the closest -- are where FFX-2 is introduced into these polls. We see FFX outranked FF8 on the Top 100 List (which didn't have FFX-2 in the drop-box, for whichever way you want to argue that point), and we see that -- despite FFX-2's presence in today's poll -- FFX is in a firm second place. Now, granted, I thought FF8 was going to make it closer to FFX in today's poll than this, but I'm not sure how fair it is to say it's always been close to FFX unless you want to redefine close. Even if you do, FFX has still always managed to come ahead in every comparison made except for characters. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 7:47:41 PM | message detail |
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FFVIII has been close enough to FFX that if FFXII were to surpass it,
I'd be surprised. It's just going to be too hard to displace something
like FFVIII unless it's something special, something FFXII was never
heralded to be, no offense to those who voted for it. Yes, it received
great reviews, but it just never received the necessary mainstream hype. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2006 7:57:32 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. FFXII was just too different, I think, for a lot of people to
really get hyped up about. Not to say that's bad that it was different,
but that just leads to splitting the fanbase on those who will love it
and those who will hate it. Looking at the reviews on here, it seems
like was that way at least. --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 8:10:34 PM | message detail |
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What's ZFS short for, HM? --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2006 8:14:46 PM | message detail |
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Zelda Four Sword. Fanboyish without being fanboyish. My genius at work again. ...or something like that! So what is the expectation for tonight's intense poll? Zelda? Mario? Another next-generation question (because we can never get enough of them)? --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 8:16:15 PM | message detail |
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A Zelda poll seems most likely, all things considered, if there is going to be another series poll. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2006 8:16:20 PM | message detail |
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Or I suppose you can do what my friend did with it and go with "Zelda
Freakin' Sucks" if you're not one of the enlightened Zelda fans !! --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 8:16:46 PM | message detail |
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I figure Zelda-2D/3D, and I hope CJay does the same for Mario and even Metal Gear. --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 8:17:26 PM | message detail |
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A 2-D Metal Gear poll? That's--what, two games? --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 12/7/2006 8:18:15 PM | message detail |
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If it's Zelda related, I'll be interested to see if he splits the poll into 2D/3D like he did with Final Fantasy. But, and I just thought of this, maybe he'll do another Final Fantasy poll with all of them in there? --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 8:18:51 PM | message detail |
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Ha, probably, but think of the 3D poll! --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 8:19:24 PM | message detail |
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Or maybe a FFVI vs. FFVII poll? IMAGINE THE MAYHEM! --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 12/7/2006 8:20:38 PM | message detail |
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I like that idea. ...Board 8 probably wouldn't !! --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2006 8:21:46 PM | message detail |
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No guys, CJay has to save the SFF matches for the next contest! --- Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=32191952 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 12/7/2006 8:23:23 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of which, the next contest needs to be a Games Contest. It may
have been said a million times -- consider this a million and one -- but we have enough new stuff out and tons of older games that missed out last time. --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 12/7/2006 8:24:19 PM | message detail |
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There's too much potential for a Games Contest not to have one now, unless Ceej absolutely wants to wait for SSBB and MGS4. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 10: Jack Skellington - W, 34-8 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 12/7/2006 8:31:17 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. It will have been about three years, all of the next-gen systems
will have been out for a while, tons of big games have come out since,
and the whole site really has taken a different shift in the past few
years. I would hope that two games wouldn't hold him back, especially since you probably have the biggest game worth waiting for already out (Twilight Princess). --- "A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage." |
