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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 433

The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/19/2006 5:35:32 AM | message detail
Oh man, Link is coming back with the morning vote. The lead is down to 77 whoamg!
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ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand.
SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/19/2006 6:38:31 AM | message detail
Are we going to get an update table for this?
I'd love to see that.
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Ranked: #16th in the Character Battle 2006. (207 Points)
HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 8:39:44 AM | message detail
Link is coming up on the lead quick. Solano may be doomed.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/19/2006 9:08:24 AM | message detail
The Drones yet again prove why only WoW fans are worse than them.

~*ST*~
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PWNED BY RUFUS SHINRA in the Guru contest! Congrats!
Now Playing: Disgaea 2, KH:COM (Sora), FF5A, Castlevania: LoI
AmazingKirby | Posted 11/19/2006 9:35:35 AM | message detail
The lead is down to 6 now!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 11/19/2006 11:46:06 AM | message detail
7 people fell off the Top 50 today. Exystence, knick_ch, supercuts, geno_16, dandyandy1130, cloudff72000 and SquallidSnake did not have Snake going out this round.

Whoa, I was on the leaderboard and I didn't even KNOW it?!
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"They said you were dead." - Raiden
"No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake
E_Gadd | Posted 11/19/2006 11:48:15 AM | message detail
How long has Solano had a lead of 10 on Link? It seems that they've been this way for a while now.


Link 49.78% 1131
Jay Solano 50.22% 1141
TOTAL VOTES 2272
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Gaddswell
The meaning of 'E' is up to you.
SquallidSnake | Posted 11/19/2006 11:48:45 AM | message detail
*looks at SquallidSnake's bracket*

...How in the world did this thing end up on the top 50? Heh, my female bracket SUCKS. Took a lot of strange risks with it.

Only missed one on the male side though. Rather weird.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
E_Gadd | Posted 11/19/2006 11:57:49 AM | message detail
They're 50-50 now. Link is going to take the lead soon...


Link 50% 1145
Jay Solano 50% 1145
TOTAL VOTES 2290
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Gaddswell
The meaning of 'E' is up to you.
E_Gadd | Posted 11/19/2006 12:13:58 PM | message detail
Link leads!

Link 50.13% 1162
Jay Solano 49.87% 1156
TOTAL VOTES 2318
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Gaddswell
The meaning of 'E' is up to you.
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2006 12:14:56 PM | message detail
10:00 | 58 votes lead (when andy started rallying)
10:15 | 22 votes lead (when the topic was finally deleted)

****ing andy.

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I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis
SquallidSnake | Posted 11/19/2006 12:39:45 PM | message detail
Solano winning defeats the entire purpose of him getting into the contest.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
therealmnm | Posted 11/19/2006 12:47:49 PM | message detail
I don't know what the big deal is. All the calling out Nintendrones is unnecessary. It's not like this was a coordinated effort to make Link lose. It was a surprise. A bunch of people (including me) thought that the plan was to still make Jay Solano look absolutely pathetic. You can't blame people for instinctively voting Link. And not everyone was in on the Jay Solano fad anyways. Calling out Nintendo fans because of this match is rather lame...
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FFDragon | Posted 11/19/2006 12:55:10 PM | message detail
Are we adding Jay to lol x-stats? Because we should... >_>
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Rufus: What a crew. Well, I'm Rufus Shinra. The Guru of Board 8. (Metal Gear Solid 2)
Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 11/19/2006 2:15:27 PM | message detail
So anyone play TP yet? How good is it?

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HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 3:15:30 PM | message detail
I'll say this: if Cloud had somehow won, there would be no way Jay loses today.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
transience | Posted 11/19/2006 3:17:23 PM | message detail
no, the reason he said that is that someone went to the TP board to rally against an N-Gage character. :)
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 3:38:43 PM | message detail
THAT MEANS WITHOUT TP LINK IS SO SCREWED
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/19/2006 4:23:42 PM | message detail
If this keeps up, Jay Solano seems to have this in the bag, unless Link somehow comes back at the very end
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Rufus Shinra is a better guru that me and Mel Gibson combined. Congrats!
transience | Posted 11/19/2006 4:56:23 PM | message detail
this tells me that we hyped Jay Solano a weeeeeeee bit too much. no way do all these people vote against him - some, but not all.
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When conflict on the Ixan border reaches crisis point, they know who to call... Jay Solano! This one man army will enforce peace by any means necessary!
DeepHyren12 | Posted 11/19/2006 5:06:30 PM | message detail
NN = teh broken. Base solano IMO!
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"Some say there's no subtelty to destruction. You know what? They're dead!" --Jaya Ballard, Task Mage.
roofroofroof | Posted 11/19/2006 5:08:20 PM | message detail
Jay probably has like 100 times more votes than his game sold copies.

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Mister Mario | Posted 11/19/2006 5:10:09 PM | message detail
Solano is a powerhouse :O

thx ceej <3<3<3
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Lopen | Posted 11/19/2006 5:14:06 PM | message detail
Base Solano...

BS.

Think about it. This is a revolution!
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Rufus Shinra 18 used a little fear to control the minds of the common gurus. There was no need to waste money on us.
HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 5:20:21 PM | message detail
I think if this match had never been close, that Jay would be receiving less votes...

...wait, let me say that in a way that doesn't sound so stupid and obvious...

...if this match had been on the main page and Link was obviously blowing Jay out of the water like nobody's business, then Jay wouldn't be getting any votes that would be in hopes of an upset or close match. As is though, since Jay has a very legit shot, people are voting for the joke -- think Ansem/CATS, but a pure-board creation against so much stronger of an opponent in the only possible way he has even a chance to win.


On the bright side, maybe this will encourage CJay to let Solano be in next year (in place of CATS, hopefully), and we can see the true "power" of Jay then!
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
Janus5000 | Posted 11/19/2006 5:38:00 PM | message detail
Man, Link's not even resisting anymore.
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Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Rufus Shinra 18 decides everything.
http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4
leo3leo | Posted 11/19/2006 6:38:17 PM | message detail
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FFDragon | Posted 11/19/2006 7:03:26 PM | message detail
(in place of CATS, hopefully)

No. CATS is tradition. CATS is the only character to appear in every single character contest main bracket, to include the Villains contest.
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Rufus: What a crew. Well, I'm Rufus Shinra. The Guru of Board 8. (Metal Gear Solid 2)
HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 7:27:46 PM | message detail
Hey, I like tradition too...but CATS doesn't look like he'll ever live up to his performance in the VC and Jay would have made for a better joke character than CATS this year given the crazy nomination drive we had. Add to it the AYB fad is SOOO dead (sadly), and the tradition CATS has made is now replaceable.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
FFDragon | Posted 11/19/2006 7:30:38 PM | message detail
I'll take a Classic joke character with tradition over a joke character that really doesn't have anything going for him besides the whole "no one knows me because I'm from an N-Gage game" thing.

*shrugs* I'll nominate CATS for every contest he's elligable for. I can see why some may want to replace him, but I just can't.
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Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE!
Rufus: What a crew. Well, I'm Rufus Shinra. The Guru of Board 8. (Metal Gear Solid 2)
transience | Posted 11/19/2006 7:31:18 PM | message detail
Jay has tons going for him. anything involving Solano makes me laugh.
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When conflict on the Ixan border reaches crisis point, they know who to call... Jay Solano! This one man army will enforce peace by any means necessary!
Big Bob | Posted 11/19/2006 7:41:48 PM | message detail
Who know who we need to nominate next year? Epona.

Who's the strongest character she could beat?
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The following people caused me to lose to Rufus Shinra in the Guru contest: Yoshi, Snake, Vincent, KOS-MOS, Sub-Zero, Gordon Freeman...
therealmnm | Posted 11/19/2006 7:48:17 PM | message detail
After Twilight Princess???? Epona would definitely be at least a low midcarder !!
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 7:49:33 PM | message detail
Vyse...heh.





I like CATS being in, but I don't more than one joke character a contest and I would rather see Solano than CATS for a contest.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2006 7:50:13 PM | message detail
What about Vyse?

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I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis
HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 7:51:47 PM | message detail
Epona > Vyse (which used to be heavily debated in these topics). I said it more as a joke than anything.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2006 7:52:34 PM | message detail
Who wouldn't take Epona over Vyse? And this is coming from his biggest fan. I'd take Epona over a decent amount of the field.

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I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis
therealmnm | Posted 11/19/2006 7:59:11 PM | message detail
This was way back when the topic refused to believe that voters would vote for "a ****ing horse". I've been saying since the beginning that Epona could have a bit of strength in a contest setting. Everyone who's played Ocarina of Time knows who she is... and unlike Master Hand, Epona actually has fans. Somewhat at least. Call her a concentrated Pac-Man. Give her an opponent that Zelda fans don't care about in the slightest and Epona could very well tap into that fanbase and be a threat.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 8:04:39 PM | message detail
Where is Tingle expected to be in the stats right now, by the way?
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Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me.
Janus5000 | Posted 11/19/2006 9:00:37 PM | message detail
Jay with 0.1337% of the brackets.
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Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Rufus Shinra 18 decides everything.
http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4
WhatTheDarn | Posted 11/19/2006 9:04:31 PM | message detail
Jay Solano is the most destructive force ever seen in this contest. Even Link at his absolute apex was cut down mercilessly.

XD
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OoT took me about 60 hours because I got stuck in Links treehouse at the very beginning. - Detritus
FFDragon | Posted 11/19/2006 9:06:00 PM | message detail
*watches the Noble Nine crumble*

He needs a page on Ulti's/MMX's site once it gets bandwidth back. The only undefeated character in SC history!
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Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE!
Rufus: What a crew. Well, I'm Rufus Shinra. The Guru of Board 8. (Metal Gear Solid 2)
HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2006 9:17:55 PM | message detail
So does this match go onto any lists?
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Rufus Shinra: like a true Guru should, he owned me.
WhatTheDarn | Posted 11/19/2006 9:36:25 PM | message detail
Lowest vote count.
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OoT took me about 60 hours because I got stuck in Links treehouse at the very beginning. - Detritus
transience | Posted 11/19/2006 9:36:58 PM | message detail
and best match ever, of course
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When conflict on the Ixan border reaches crisis point, they know who to call... Jay Solano! This one man army will enforce peace by any means necessary!
MegatokyoEd | Posted 11/19/2006 9:37:27 PM | message detail
I'm sure it places on the closest matches list.
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Demyx is better than Axel.
Just like Rufus Shinra is better than me for winning the Guru Contest.
Janus5000 | Posted 11/19/2006 9:38:17 PM | message detail
Least impressive winner, too.

Probably would've been lowest prediction % as well.
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Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Rufus Shinra 18 decides everything.
http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4
Applekidjosh | Posted 11/19/2006 9:40:26 PM | message detail
if it were a real match, it would've won "most people axed during the day"
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Hail to the chief! Rufus Shinra > Applekidjosh
Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/20/2006 12:24:32 AM | message detail
So what are we going to do with Jay now that he won over Link? Retire him and make him the only character who hasn't lost in a poll, or nominate him for a rematch on the front page?

Personally I rather see Jay being the ultimate champ, especially since the Noble Nine is now broken (Thanks Link!)
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Rufus Shinra 18 had Luigi over Sonic and he still PWND me in the guru contest.
Haste_2 | Posted 11/20/2006 12:49:21 AM | message detail
So, is Mega Man constant, or not?

Let's look at Mega Man's division, using Mega Man 2K5:

Sora - 35.47%
Tingle - 17.30%
Gordon Freeman - 25.59%
Phoenix Wright - 21.39%
Kratos - 27.92%
Ryu - 32.55%
Mega Man - 38.79%
Axel - 23.37%
(Solid Snake - 43.42%)

Now, let's arbitrarily just use Ryu 2K5 as the standard:

Sora - 32.67%
Tingle - 15.93%
Gordon Freeman - 23.57%
Phoenix - 19.70%
Kratos - 25.71%
Ryu - 29.98%
Mega Man - 35.73%
Axel - 21.52%
(Solid Snake - 39.99%)

Let's look at the first set: Ryu and Kratos look too strong...Ryu barely outdid Alucard on Kratos (yes, Kratos boosted, but that much?), yet Alucard was destroyed by Auron and was beaten by Sora the previous year...in fact, Kratos is expected to beat Alucard with 55.35% using raw x-stats. I could see Kratos winning there, but... not by that much. You can make a case for Freeman-linearity, but Gordon & Phoenix being lower doesn't hurt.

Basically, there are five advantages to this I can see:
1)Mega Man has been consistant throughout many contests, and there's no apparent reason he'd drop, besides just his aging finally getting to him some random year.
2)Ryu's kinda on his 2K4 level (though still a bit higher than his highest past value).
3)Mega Man's placement, assuming Sonic/Snake wasn't a fluke, is actually pretty fitting... Luigi vs. Mega Man is predicted almost exactly the same this year as last year.
4)Using 5 characters isn't a whole lot of data to say for sure if Sonic/Snake was/wasn't a fluke.
5)Assuming both MM/Snake and Sonic/Snake are accurate is the null hypothesis.

Arguments 1 and 2 are weak, but 3,4, and 5 are pretty strong, I say. Sora's looked weak against fodder in past years, and this year may be no exception. Plus, Riku did loads better in 2K6 than in 2K5, and judging -purely- by that, I could see Sora boosting to 35% on BL with his relatively superior role in KH2 (Riku's part in KH1 was much more interesting than in KH2). I figure Ryu and Kratos could be that strong, though you could blame their high x-stat values partly on the Ryu/Mega Man picture mis-match if you really wanted.

Looking on the other perspective again, Mega Man being constant means that Snake has boosted an insane amount, meaning either Samus has boosted through the roof somewhere between 2K4 and 2K6 (Riiiiiiight), or Samus/Solid Snake was a fluke (which, by itself, actually makes more sense than a Sonic/Snake anomaly). Plus, Zero totally bombed, which adds a little more credibility to a Mega Man drop.

I'd say more, but I've said enough already. Okay, I have to hurry and add that using (roughly) Ryu 2K5 as a measuring stick, and assuming Snake/Squall was the fluke rather than Snake/Yoshi...er, that makes things fit well (after adjusting Sonic and his victims, of course).

One last thing...you're pretty much obligated to say that either Solid Snake vs. Sonic the Hedgehog or Samus Aran vs. Solid Snake was an anomaly. There's no escaping one of those!

(Need opinions!)

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