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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 433

BDawg | Posted 11/18/2006 9:53:36 AM | message detail
If I wanted personality I'd go on a date instead of playing video games!
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Should I start running now?
XIII_rocks | Posted 11/18/2006 9:54:52 AM | message detail
Shut up.

So simple, but so beautiful
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Rufus Shinra 18 made me look like Jay Solano in the guru contest
SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/18/2006 9:54:52 AM | message detail
So what do you grade a character on if it isn't personality?
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President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards)
HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2006 10:04:23 AM | message detail
Sex appeal.

That's why Knuckles and Mega Man are my favorite.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
therealmnm | Posted 11/18/2006 10:08:59 AM | message detail
Zero is sexier than Mega Man...
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therealmnm | Posted 11/18/2006 10:09:24 AM | message detail
But you can't go wrong with Knux > All
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zwong1 | Posted 11/18/2006 10:10:45 AM | message detail
But you can't go wrong with Knux > All

No, Mario is sexier.
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I am a Singaporean and hope Snake will do well for the rest of the contest.
LeonhartForever | Posted 11/18/2006 10:48:43 AM | message detail
...Poor Cloud, looks like he might not even get what Sephiroth got last year. Oh well, not entirely unexpected. Solid Snake being the star of this contest instantly puts it near the top for me.

And CJayC is a Board 8 lurker? I KNEW IT! How else would we get that four-pack with Kirby, Luigi, and Zero in it?
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"They said you were dead." - Raiden
"No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do." - Solid Snake
TheCruelAngel | Posted 11/18/2006 10:52:58 AM | message detail
OVER 9000 VOTES!!! and all of that. =D
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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/18/2006 11:34:03 AM | message detail
That four-pack and a few other matches pretty much proved it to me. Him coming out and saying it was no shock.
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If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot.
Me, owned? Damn you Rufus Shinra, Guru Champion.
Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/18/2006 11:49:17 AM | message detail
So what do you grade a character on if it isn't personality?

You know, it's entirely possible that giving a character a personality can make you like them less, and that's definitely true with Cloud. Personally, I'm loving this beatdown, but Link and Cloud are still my two least favorite characters in the BR.

As for what makes Link > Cloud? Playing as Link is fun. Isn't that enough?
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"Luckily, I brought my smart sword. It won't hurt anyone 'friendly'. In fact, it makes them talk!" - Princess Zelda
Mister Mario | Posted 11/18/2006 1:19:57 PM | message detail
So, Chichiri. Closest Link Vs. Cloud match since 2003, eh?
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Z1mZum more like Z1mAwesome.
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Lopen | Posted 11/18/2006 2:20:33 PM | message detail
What if Link's not an indestructible god, and Cloud just dropped for some bizarre reason?

We'll never know with this format for sure. Okay, the BR implies otherwise. But we've only seen Link in 3 direct matches since 2004, you never know. It could be some sorta non-linearity in favorites polls nonsense going on there.

Not saying it's true... but what if?
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Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef
MasterOfHunters | Posted 11/18/2006 2:21:43 PM | message detail
The 8.8 factor causes Link's demise!
TheCruelAngel | Posted 11/18/2006 2:46:28 PM | message detail
From Lopen Posted 11/18/2006 5:20:33 PM #263
What if Link's not an indestructible god, and Cloud just dropped for some bizarre reason?

We'll never know with this format for sure. Okay, the BR implies otherwise. But we've only seen Link in 3 direct matches since 2004, you never know. It could be some sorta non-linearity in favorites polls nonsense going on there.

Not saying it's true... but what if?


Then every character in the bracket must've had a bizarre drop with Cloud. ;p
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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
transience | Posted 11/18/2006 2:48:45 PM | message detail
not really. we really have no idea what's up with any of the BR guys.
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xyzzy
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/18/2006 2:53:02 PM | message detail
What if Link's not an indestructible god, and Cloud just dropped for some bizarre reason?

Considering how far away Sephiroth is and how far away Mario and everybody else is from Sephiroth, it amounts to the same thing. Also keep in mind that TP still isn't out yet.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 4:38:39 PM | message detail
Okay, mnm's right. This topic is way too quiet. I mean, I had Cloud *winning* this match, and I've had more to say than most of the people in here! Link supporters could at least deign to gloat or something. <<

Although nice to see Cloud not ending *too* pathetically after that abysmal start of his. He should push 46% by the end of this, doing around 1.5% worse than last year. That's not insane dominance, though I probably will need more than a FFVII remake to take Cloud over Link ever again thanks to TP (not to mention my perfect streak of calling Link/Cloud matches comes to an end today...).

But what about stats? Should we try and incorporate Link/Cloud/Sephiroth/Mario into some final stats, or do we leave them be? And who are we trying to base the stats off this year, anyway? NGamer's X-Stat calculator pegs Samus at like 46.00 on BL or something, which just comes off as insane to me (but was likely completely arbitrary, so whatever).
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Commit it to memory.
Ngamer64 | Posted 11/18/2006 4:39:02 PM | message detail
Eh... I'm going to hold Cloud constant and boost Link's 2006 value on lol xstats.

And then tomorrow I'll get to add a Solano number! Right? Right?!

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Ngamer64 | Posted 11/18/2006 4:40:32 PM | message detail
The current values were set by putting 2005 Mega Man = to his 2006 version. That's just a placeholder until I hear a hard number from creative.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 4:44:30 PM | message detail
If there's a character I would venture to say was constant this year, I would say Luigi. Just throwing that out there...
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2006 4:45:33 PM | message detail
I'd say CATS. Base the stats off of CATS.
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Rufus Shinra won the Guru Contest. I didn't. Rufus > Kleenex.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 4:48:29 PM | message detail
CATS? No way. Face CATS pegs Sonic to be at Sephiroth level or thereabouts (with him being behind MC and in the VC being no small factor there), I think, while Eggplant CATS (aside from being two years outdated) implies a significant Sonic drop.
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 4:49:37 PM | message detail
And most would say that was more like a Hybrid CATS this year, a combination of the two.
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
therealmnm | Posted 11/18/2006 5:00:15 PM | message detail
I missed a lot in the past week. What was the final verdict about Zelda doing so well against Samus? I know I randomly threw out a potential "Villains Contest overperformance" for the female bracket. It was kinda brushed aside... but Zelda beating Sonic 53/47? And through Snake, Samus beats down Sonic about as bad as she did in 2004. That also means she would indirectly beat Crono and Mega Man just as bad. So did Samus BOOST? Sonic DID look stronger in 2k5 right? Or maybe we shouldn't have kept Crono constant last year? Everything seems... weird.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 5:03:33 PM | message detail
If I had to guess, I'd say rSFF on Zelda's part (though I really don't get Ganondorf doing so much worse, unless he's really just that much of a leech). Still, we all know Zelda's not that high. Heck, Yuna beats Ganondorf going by the stats.
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
Tediz247 | Posted 11/18/2006 5:04:08 PM | message detail
Just put Samus at 50% and go from there. Base Link is outdated and irrelevant, and I've never understood why people insist on using him. As for Tifa, put her at 2K5 Vincent's level.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through to the end.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 5:05:33 PM | message detail
We use Base Link to measure from year to year. If you want to use another measuring stick, feel free to suggest one. Otherwise kindly shut up.
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
therealmnm | Posted 11/18/2006 5:33:35 PM | message detail
Well to be honest... I was never a fan of "Base Link" either. Since I still don't believe that Link 2k3 = Link 2k2... <_<;
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/18/2006 6:10:42 PM | message detail
Yes, indeed...Link was slightly stronger in 2K2. Ha!

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Antivote this petition, it sucks and would be wasting bandwidth:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799
therealmnm | Posted 11/18/2006 6:52:46 PM | message detail
Yes, indeed...Link was slightly stronger in 2K2. Ha!

Uh, that was my point!!
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Lady Ashe | Posted 11/18/2006 7:03:20 PM | message detail
Alright, so what do you guys think about the upcoming Link/Jay Solano match?
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The one. The only. Lady Ashe.
perdevious | Posted 11/18/2006 7:06:00 PM | message detail
Solano for the win... ning of the board vote!
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Kaxon | Posted 11/18/2006 7:06:10 PM | message detail
Eh... I'm going to hold Cloud constant and boost Link's 2006 value on lol xstats.

Considering the lack of any other data, it would make more sense to consider half of it a Cloud drop and half a Link increase.
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Owned by Rufus Shinra 18 in the Summer 2006 Guru Contest
Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2006 7:07:32 PM | message detail
Meh, if Link 2k2 and 2k3 are different, it's because Link was stronger in 2k3. Now, that doesn't mean he necessarily lived up to his full POTENTIAL that year thanks to his WW pics, but no amount of pic factor could overshadow the gains he made with the actual Wind Waker game, not to mention his much-hyped appearance in Soul Calibur II. And we all know that Link's indisputably worst performance that contest had nothing to do with WW pics at all...
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
Ngamer64 | Posted 11/18/2006 7:11:20 PM | message detail
Why would Cloud drop though? He was in KH2, AC was officially released in the US, and the majority of his FF counterparts were up this year on the strength of DoC/AC/FF12/what have you. I'd think 2006 Cloud would be at least on the level of his 05.

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Kaxon | Posted 11/18/2006 7:18:43 PM | message detail
And we all know that Link's indisputably worst performance that contest had nothing to do with WW pics at all...

Link vs Samus?

=P
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....TCELES B HSUP
Owned by Rufus Shinra 18 in the Summer 2006 Guru Contest
HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2006 8:22:11 PM | message detail
I don't mind having a Base Link -- hell, we need to in order to best judge older characters statistically (though you have to consider other things, of course)...

...but with such insane change this year due to a huge E3 and the release of the 360, not to mention the new change that will be set next year due to the PS3/Wii/LoZ:TP/FF12, then throw in such potential weirdness as Samus/Tifa, Solid/Yoshi, Luigi's run (though stretches for all three of his matches), and whatever else...I think next year will simply require a new Base Link and deem all other stats we have except maybe this year's stats obsolete.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
creativename | Posted 11/18/2006 8:27:37 PM | message detail
Thanks to Aprosenf for the first 45 minutes of updates for this match.

Also I will not be calculating any Base Link or Link stats. Just normal Samus stats, with a footnote on Tifa overperformance. Don't know when I'll get the chance to put them up, this week sometime.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/18/2006 8:28:14 PM | message detail
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Overall prediction percentage: 8.52%

Oops, forgot to post this yesterday. As you might expect Snake surviving this long was a surprize to most people. Nobody in the Top 8 tiers got it right. It isn't until the -33s do the tiers start having a prediction percentage above 0 consistantly.

7 people fell off the Top 50 today. Exystence, knick_ch, supercuts, geno_16, dandyandy1130, cloudff72000 and SquallidSnake did not have Snake going out this round.

40 of the Top 50 members managed to hang on despite getting the match wrong. Penguinonfire, Sturmtiger_Four, chris3131, BloodFalcon87, ChromeGadget, Arawok, Heroic_Rufus, SavvySam, Supernova36, leadrboardsteve, MasterMoltar, Guitarfan1986, OBoxK, Devourer_Kwi, Adam2095, evilhomer14, SocomGirl, pheonix_thief, GameFreak0909, hero26, stackdaddy, Gnarkillv88, Ciaran87, SingToMe14, Elendile, CaptnNGameMastr, psxfreak1011, PrimeZ, pmongold, ScottMaster, Zigman29, ______________l, hypertailz, KHmaster5, Ruisu-X, nightowl30, MegaMeh, underloud, TellYourFriends and Jakyl25, who once again stayed in 1st place after getting a match wrong, did not have Snaking going out this round either.

Only 3 people on the Top 50 got the match correct. HeroicMint, SWFreekLUE and Lord_Yggdrassil correctly predicted another failing on Clinkeroth and had Snake going out in the third round outlasting Sephiroth.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2006 8:33:17 PM | message detail
Also, as for Cloud/Link...I know it's hard to imagine, but I don't see how Cloud didn't gain in some fashion. He was in KH2 (I don't know how big a role, but I don't think it was small), he was the star in FF:AC, any FF12/DoC:FF7 influx that may have come could help him...then we have already seen Tifa and Vincent impress this year while Aeris looks to be at her 2k3 value from what I hear, then Sephiroth only disappointed because of the format...and if Solid can kick ass like he did this year off of SUPPOSEDLY just hype (though I don't think MGS3:S and such did too much for him either), then Link doing so well a week before the Wii and LoZ:TP release cannot be out of the question either. For kicks, Ganon and Zelda did well this year as well.

Still though, just...weird to think about.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
Janus5000 | Posted 11/18/2006 9:01:00 PM | message detail
Yes, I got my pre-order 55.56% 5
Yes, I stood in line 0% 0
Yes, I just found one on the shelf 0% 0
No, still waiting on my pre-order 0% 0
No, even after standing in line 0% 0
No, I'm not planning to get one now 44.44% 4
TOTAL VOTES 9

Go Not Jay So-... oops.
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Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Rufus Shinra 18 decides everything.
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BDawg | Posted 11/18/2006 9:01:52 PM | message detail
Someone should force those idiots to do the things they claimed.
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Should I start running now?
HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2006 9:02:11 PM | message detail
Not only is there no Jay, but the options for this poll are horrible.
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Diddy did it. Diddy did it.
DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?!
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/18/2006 9:04:35 PM | message detail
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/AfterContest_Vote1.PNG

=D
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rpgapzx | Posted 11/18/2006 9:33:57 PM | message detail
Vote Accepted
Link 70%

7
Jay Solano 30%

3
TOTAL VOTES 10
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Congratulations to Rufus Shinra, SC2k6 Guru Contest Champion.
AmazingKirby | Posted 11/18/2006 9:35:44 PM | message detail
Whoa, Jay is worth 37% on Link!! >_>
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/18/2006 9:37:27 PM | message detail
The board is doing it all wrong! Solano's not supposed to do good against Link!
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Final SC2K6 score: 176
xp1337 | Posted 11/18/2006 9:37:42 PM | message detail
Jay Solano > Sephiroth?

Believe.
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SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile