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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 432

xp1337 | Posted 11/16/2006 11:40:31 AM | message detail
...Am I the only one who doesn't care who wins... so long as the match is interesting in some regard?

And that goes for most matches, only exceptions are if there's a character I really prefer involved.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/16/2006 11:43:05 AM | message detail
And that goes for most matches, only exceptions are if there's a character I really prefer involved.

I only care if it's Mario, Sonic or Knuckles. The rest I have favorites, but I wouldn't really care if they lost or not.
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Miss_Rydia | Posted 11/16/2006 11:47:03 AM | message detail
A little part of me dies everytime Kefka loses. I stay interested in contests if for nothing other than Frog. And I would blow something up if Link ever lost again. Other than that, I'd care if some better old school FF characters got in (GBA/DS remakes hopefully help this cause). That's about it though.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/16/2006 11:50:16 AM | message detail
Oh for god's sake, EC. FF7 is the most powerful game on this site. In a villains only contest, Sephiroth of course is going to slaughter the opposition because he's the only one in the contest from FFVII. The villains contest should therefore not be considered in N vs. Square arguments, because the VC was just blatantly unfair and an auto-Sephy win from the beginning. 2003 and the games contest are the only "true" Square victories on this site.

Then how bout you start spewing "lol ff7faqs" then. It's okay for FF7 to be the most popular game on the site... but if something Nintendo wins "lollolol nintendcofadaqs"

Link, Link, Mario, Link, Samus, Zelda (the series), Link. That's SEVEN Nintendo victories - they are the single dominant force in these contests. Square has had...3, one of which was just plain unfair.

Not really. It's 5. Mario and Samus definitely do not count, they didn't win the contest, they won the main bracket. Link still won the contest last year, and Cloud or Link is going to win it this year. It's 5 for Nintendo, 3 for Square. And even if you DO want to count it, it's still 1 Nintendo Character left, as opposed to 3 non-Nintendo ones. I really am tired of hearing lol nintendofaqs every time someones preferred character doesn't win.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/16/2006 11:51:18 AM | message detail
Cheer up emo kid.
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shadow8021 | Posted 11/16/2006 11:52:49 AM | message detail
Imagine if Ceej decided to give us sprite pics tomorrow. Solid **** wouldn't even get 1% of the vote.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/16/2006 11:53:16 AM | message detail
Yes he would.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 11:53:43 AM | message detail
I don't think FFVII is the strongest game on this site anymore. It won two years ago, in a year with horrendous vote totals, before the big N boost, and only in around a 53-47 split over its closest competitor. FF7 being this site's strongest game is a myth (though it easily has a more hardcore fanbase judging from the Top 10 List) that will be dispelled the next time we have a game contest.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/16/2006 11:54:14 AM | message detail
Over 1% of the vote? lol turdspriteFAQs
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 11:58:33 AM | message detail
it's still 1 Nintendo Character left, as opposed to 3 non-Nintendo ones.

Lawl SFF?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:01:15 PM | message detail
Hmm, I forgot FF7's margin of victory over OoT was closer to 54% than 53%. I guess it wouldn't be a lock to lose, but I really wouldn't like its chances against OoT (though I'd pick it over TP in a heartbeat, don't underestimate the power of nostalgia).

And I took FF7 to win the Games Contest! (not to mention I have Cloud winning this year)
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/16/2006 12:01:38 PM | message detail
Right, because FF7 and MGS has never had SFF with each other before. Nope. Never.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/16/2006 12:02:38 PM | message detail
Then how bout you start spewing "lol ff7faqs" then. It's okay for FF7 to be the most popular game on the site... but if something Nintendo wins "lollolol nintendcofadaqs"

People do that a lot. It's established that FF7 is a powerful force...but the fact that - despite having more fleshed out characters (lol) - the characters from such a powerful game don't beat out the mute protagonist says a hell of a lot for the power of Nintendo in these contests.

And I HATE FF7. But Nintendo has most of the time been the more powerful force on this site.

Not really. It's 5. Mario and Samus definitely do not count, they didn't win the contest, they won the main bracket.

How do they not count? They beat out 63 other competitors in a hard fought battle. And this year, going by the logic you yourself have presented (Samus > Mario indirectly), then Samus would finish fourth. Oh, and Mario turned around 10% on a guy he lost to a year before in 2005.

And even if you DO want to count it, it's still 1 Nintendo Character left, as opposed to 3 non-Nintendo ones.

And that 1 is stronger than any 2 of the other 3 combined. That makes no difference; hell, it makes Nintendo look even stronger when you consider that, despite being outnumbered, the N character is thrashing everything.

I really am tired of hearing lol nintendofaqs every time someones preferred character doesn't win.

They've got a good point. If they want to whine, at least whine with something that's pretty much the truth.
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:02:42 PM | message detail
Right, because FFVII and MGS exude the amount of SFF that Link has shown in the past.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/16/2006 12:04:07 PM | message detail
The amount he's shown against who exactly? Certainly not Samus.

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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:04:30 PM | message detail
Making Ganon look worse than CATS?
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/16/2006 12:05:15 PM | message detail
Hmm, the following makes no sense.

hard fought battle. And this year, going by the logic you yourself have presented (Samus > Mario indirectly), then Samus would finish fourth.

allow me to fix this.

Mario 2k5 wasn't a hard fought battle, but still, he beat 63 other characters.

What I meant was that if you rule out SFF and go off raw strength...going by EC logic, Samus WOULD finish ahead of Solid Snake and Mario.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 11/16/2006 12:05:19 PM | message detail
Snake is starting to drop off a lot now.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/16/2006 12:06:01 PM | message detail
Making Ganon look worse than CATS?

But Ganon is worse than CATS !!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:06:06 PM | message detail
Right, because FFVII and MGS exude the amount of SFF that Link has shown in the past.

Not to nitpick, but FFVII scored significantly more on MGS than OoT scored on Goldeneye 007, and MGS and Goldeneye are likely quite close in strength, probably with an edge to MGS...now, of course OoT and GE aren't going to have nearly as much overlap as Link and Mario/Samus (and OoT/SM64 proves this), but it's not something to downplay.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/16/2006 12:06:21 PM | message detail
Making Ganon look worse than CATS?


....okay I can't take your points seriously anymore.

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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:06:57 PM | message detail
But Ganon is worse than CATS !!

...but... uh...

Damn. You got me there! CATS FTW !!
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:08:00 PM | message detail
....okay I can't take your points seriously anymore.

I couldn't take yours seriously to begin with, EC. The only thing you've got right is the overratedness of the KH(II) Factor.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/16/2006 12:08:21 PM | message detail
It's a sad day when someone like EC is making more sense then anyone else in the stats topic.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/16/2006 12:10:32 PM | message detail
I couldn't take yours seriously to begin with, EC. The only thing you've got right is the overratedness of the KH(II) Factor.

Trying to prove Link's ability to SFF Mario/Samus, and then citing Ganon to show his prowess makes no sense at all. How about looking at Samus' match head to head with Link instead? FF/MG have shown to have a bigger overlap.

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shadow8021 | Posted 11/16/2006 12:10:50 PM | message detail
Actually, KH. OoT had 73% on Goldeneye, as opposed to FFVII's 71% on MGS.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/16/2006 12:12:08 PM | message detail
Judging by contest wins isn't a very good way of doing things. If the most popular character was Nintendo and the next 100 most popular characters were Square, a Nintendo character would still dominate the contests despite the site being blatantly biased towards Square. 2/3 members of Clinkiroth are Square while Nintendo has 1. Both have three members in the Noble Nine. The near-elites also have a mix of Square and Nintendo characters. Square really isn't all that much weaker than Nintendo.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:17:43 PM | message detail
Actually, KH. OoT had 73% on Goldeneye, as opposed to FFVII's 71% on MGS.

Hmm, I must have been thinking of it the other way around. Well, either way you slice it there's a significant overlap, which is why I'm quite confident in thinking Cloud gets the majority of Snake's votes when he goes out. It's just the severity of the split that matters, which we'll get to see tomorrow if Sephiroth goes out. If Cloud can keep it decently close with Link in Sephy's absence, I think he can pull it off.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:20:43 PM | message detail
And yeah, TRE's definitely got the right idea. Nintendo and Square have been pretty much even for most of this contest's history, it's only since 2005 that Nintendo has demonstrated a significant edge...and even then, they're still very close. Zelda/Final Fantasy was a 51-49 match.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/16/2006 12:26:41 PM | message detail
Christ. Calling this place NintendoFAQs is downright moronic. What makes up the three strongest characters? 1 Nintendo, 2 Square. What makes up the strongest nine characters? 3 Nintendo, 3 Square. How about the next 10? Vincent, Squall, Auron, Tifa, and Sora vs Ganondorf, Zelda, Yoshi, and Bowser, 5-4 Square. Go down further, and it's still split pretty evenly. Nintendo and Square are even in strength, it's just that Link is marginally stronger than Cloud.

If this place was NintendoFAQs why the hell did Samus and Mario go out first in the Battle Royale?
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Draco1214 | Posted 11/16/2006 12:30:40 PM | message detail
The reason why people are calling this place NintendoFAQs is because of the 5 debated matches we had pre-contest that featured a NIntendo character, Nintendo won 4 of them (Nintendo lost Vincent/Ganon).
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:32:08 PM | message detail
If this place was NintendoFAQs why the hell did Samus and Mario go out first in the Battle Royale?

Devil's Advocate: If this place wasn't NintendoFAQs why the hell did Samus and Mario win SC2K5 and SC2K6?
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TRE Public Account | Posted 11/16/2006 12:33:00 PM | message detail
Devil's Advocate: If this place wasn't NintendoFAQs why the hell did Samus and Mario win SC2K5 and SC2K6?

Because they removed Clinkiroth.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:33:02 PM | message detail
Why were Cloud and Sephiroth (Sephiroth, especially) taken out of the main bracket? Why ask why...
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/16/2006 12:33:30 PM | message detail
So? Square went 1-1 (Vincent/Ganondorf and Sonic/Crono), and Square's near-elites looked a lot better in their losses than Nintendo's.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/16/2006 12:34:29 PM | message detail
2-1, even, with Kairi/Claire.
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:34:40 PM | message detail
Devil's Advocate #2: All of NintendoFAQs strength went to Link, as no one has even come close to him.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:34:49 PM | message detail
Nintendo definitely looked a lot better at the end of this year's contest if you want to go by X-Stats...but actually, it's more like the females looked a lot better than the males. YAY Yuna > Ganondorf
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/16/2006 12:36:45 PM | message detail
So if Sephiroth went out first and Cloud outdid Link with Samus, Mario, and Snake in the poll (which he obviously would), it would be lol SquareFAQs, right?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/16/2006 12:37:31 PM | message detail
So if Sephiroth went out first and Cloud outdid Link with Samus, Mario, and Snake in the poll (which he obviously would), it would be lol SquareFAQs, right?

Obviously not. NintendoFAQs because Nintendo characters outlasting Sephy.

lol double standards.
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 11/16/2006 12:38:01 PM | message detail
Devil's Advocate #3:

All around me are familiar users
Worn out losers, worn out users...
Bright and early for the daily poll start
Sit and refresh, sit and refresh...
Their whining filling up the front page
Making no sense, making no sense...
Gordon Freeman went and won his first match
No universe, no universe...

And I find it kind of funny,
I find it kind of sad
The Noble Nine is crumbling,
and it isn't just a fad.
I find it hard to tell you,
I find it hard to type,
When trolls argue in circles
It's a very very, mad board, mad board...

Children waiting for the after-school vote
Damn you kiddies, damn you kiddies...
Snake fought hard only to lose to Samus
NintendoFAQs, NintendoFAQs...
Tifa placing second in the x-stats
Out of nowhere, out of nowhere...
Nearly all contest traditions broken
Board 8 weeping, Board 8 weeping...

And I find it kind of funny,
I find it kind of sad
The Noble Nine is crumbling,
and it isn't just a fad.
I find it hard to tell you,
I find it hard to type,
When trolls argue in circles
It's a very very, mad board, mad board...
Enlarging your board, mad board...

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/16/2006 12:43:51 PM | message detail
Sephy's starting to cut now...argh, I'm so unhappy I'm not going to be around to see what'll likely be a photo finish!

Don't let me down, Snake! Beat Sephiroth with that ol' Melty pic of yours!
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lolxstats | Posted 11/16/2006 1:05:23 PM | message detail
Why are you people looking at the number of tournaments won by a Nintendo Character as a proof to say "nintendofaqs lol"? A much, MUCH better way to look at it is to go by the percents. Link beats Cloud on average by what? 2% maybe? Maybe less? Wow, "nintendofaqs lol", I mean, ~51% of people here prefers Link over Cloud, omg. This is total proof that this site is literally DOMINATED by Nintendo fanboys.

Seriously, it's almost an even split, don't give me that crap about Link winning more tournaments, the truth remains that he barely wins them. Also, I think Mario is a much better representation of Nintendo's fan base than Link, although I might be wrong.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/16/2006 1:26:09 PM | message detail
Noble Nine crumbling? If anything, they've had their best year as an overall group. The only non-NNer that was even an option to break it this year was Tifa, and she needed the most biased picture in contest history and a large influx of FF12 fans to accomplish that.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/16/2006 1:27:24 PM | message detail
And about all this "lol nintendofaqs" crap, I much prefer it to the FF7FAQs days of old. At least nowadays you have fans of FF7 and all sorts of other games instead of everything relating to Cloud or Sephiroth.

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creativename | Posted 11/16/2006 1:50:53 PM | message detail
Judging by contest wins isn't a very good way of doing things. If the most popular character was Nintendo and the next 100 most popular characters were Square, a Nintendo character would still dominate the contests despite the site being blatantly biased towards Square. 2/3 members of Clinkiroth are Square while Nintendo has 1. Both have three members in the Noble Nine. The near-elites also have a mix of Square and Nintendo characters. Square really isn't all that much weaker than Nintendo.

Agreed.

I think a lot of what is causing these feelings is change. Things are changing from what they were, and people tend to feel a sense of entitlement to what they already have. That's what causes a lot of BS in politics too.

I'm more of a Square fan myself, though I like Nintendo better than just about anything else other than Square. This place being either NintendoFAQs or SquareFAQs makes sense, and I think it's also better than anything else we could get.

Maybe some love for sports games (poor Madden) is the only thing missing.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/16/2006 1:54:12 PM | message detail
The only non-NNer that was even an option to break it this year was Tifa, and she needed the most biased picture in contest history and a large influx of FF12 fans to accomplish that.

Just to be picky, the picture wasn't biased, though the result certainly made it seem so -- people just love the power-suit.
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creativename | Posted 11/16/2006 1:54:55 PM | message detail
Sephiroth looks to be trying to make a match out of this one. He's gaining pretty rapidly right now.

In the first match he went from +2.77% from now to +3.31% by the finish, a swing of +0.54%. In Match 2 he went from -0.54% to +0.11%, a swing of 0.65%.

Right now he needs to swing 0.78%. It might not be likely, but it certainly isn't out of reach.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/16/2006 2:10:35 PM | message detail
How did this get 150 posts... forget it.

If this place was NintendoFAQs why the hell did Samus and Mario go out first in the Battle Royale?

Because Link is on steroids.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/16/2006 2:55:11 PM | message detail
If this place was NintendoFAQs why the hell did Samus and Mario go out first in the Battle Royale?

Because Link is on steroids.


Ah. In that case, why has Nintendo not yet had more than 50% of the vote (no, Snake is NOT rSFFing Link), like many expected them too? I hardly call that NintendoFAQs.
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