GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 429
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:43:14 PM | message detail |
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Let's see...using Sheena = Lloyd 2k5, Tifa is at 33.31, dead even with her 2k5 value but I don't buy that for a second. Using Aeris 2k6 = Aeris 2k2, Zelda is at 35.49, around Vincent's 2k5 level...I think I can get behind that adjustment, though it really is arbitrary. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/13/2006 4:48:04 PM | message detail |
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Crono - 38.72 (a little above Sonic 2k5) Mega Man - 37.03 (equal to Snake 2k5) Why in the world would MM be 2% below Crono when MM indirectly did better on Snake? --- I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/13/2006 4:49:47 PM | message detail |
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What happens if Sheena = Kratos <_< TuRtLe ~~~ Pretty much out of the contest lol x-stats |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:50:49 PM | message detail |
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Well, I guess that makes sense because Auron's at 35.23 by these stats.
If you assume Tifa was already a bit stronger (and the 2k5 stats say
it, plus she *is* FFVII) she could easily be at 36 or 37. The only problem is that it doesn't *feel* right to me. I'd take Auron over Tifa in a direct match...would anyone else? --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:52:39 PM | message detail |
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Why in the world would MM be 2% below Crono when MM indirectly did better on Snake? You didn't pay attention. I'm doing these stats by individual division, based on the idea that extrapolating through Snake (among others) is unreliable. Yeah, it's just a hunch, but I'm seeing where it gets me. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Lopen | Posted 11/13/2006 4:52:51 PM | message detail |
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I'd probably take Auron over Tifa in a direct match. I'd also take
Squall over Tifa without thinking about it. Does that mean I have a
problem with Tifa being stronger than either one indirectly? Nah. --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 11/13/2006 4:52:58 PM | message detail |
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Eh, gimme Tifa. 43-44% on Sonic > 45% on Ganondorf, easily. --- "A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own." - Solid Snake "I'll show you what true speed really is!" - Sonic |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:53:33 PM | message detail |
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What happens if Sheena = Kratos <_< Tifa is 100% legit this year if that's the case. Sheena = Kratos perfectly using a constant Samus. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 4:54:17 PM | message detail |
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I'd probably take Tifa over Auron.. as you said, she is FF7. that's really enough. --- zizzy |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/13/2006 4:54:40 PM | message detail |
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You didn't pay attention. I'm doing these stats by individual
division, based on the idea that extrapolating through Snake (among
others) is unreliable. Yeah, it's just a hunch, but I'm seeing where it
gets me. I really hope that's not how the stats are being done this year. --- I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/13/2006 4:54:53 PM | message detail |
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From Karma Hunter Well, I guess that makes sense because Auron's at 35.23 by these stats. If you assume Tifa was already a bit stronger (and the 2k5 stats say it, plus she *is* FFVII) she could easily be at 36 or 37. The only problem is that it doesn't *feel* right to me. I'd take Auron over Tifa in a direct match...would anyone else? I wouldn't. Although it would probably be close. TuRtLe ~~~ Pretty much out of the contest lol x-stats |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:55:37 PM | message detail |
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Then I guess we can use Jill 2003 for Tifa...it projects her to beat
Mega Man in my stats, but only by very little and it's not like people
weren't calling for his head against her before. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:56:39 PM | message detail |
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I really hope that's not how the stats are being done this year. I *know* cn wouldn't do that, and everyone uses his stats...but he's not the only one that makes stats, y'know. This is a second opinion. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 4:57:20 PM | message detail |
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several people made stats last year - Slow, myself, cn, probably some
others. you can make your own if you don't like the ones that are made. --- zizzy |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:57:24 PM | message detail |
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And if you want my guess, cn's just going to take the stats as is and
leave them be, other than the obvious cases of SFF. Tifa #2 be damned,
that's just how they came out looking. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/13/2006 4:58:04 PM | message detail |
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And if you want my guess, cn's just going to take the stats as is
and leave them be, other than the obvious cases of SFF. Tifa #2 be
damned, that's just how they came out looking. Isn't that what SFF-adjusted stats are for? --- I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 4:58:25 PM | message detail |
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yeah, cn only adjusts if it's obvious. Snake/Sora didn't get adjusted last year, for example. --- zizzy |
| Haste_2 | Posted 11/13/2006 4:59:21 PM | message detail |
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I checked GameFAQs on IE...the poll was in its normal position in the upper-right corner of the page. Could Zelda manage 48% on Solid Snake, judging by Zelda/Samus and Snake/Samus? Don't think so, unless Zelda boosted through the roof from Zelda: TP hype...but, she only got 57% on Yuna just a few days before that, so that doesn't seem reasonable. Yuna was stronger yes, but she only got 61% on Chun Li, and and that makes Zelda look barely stronger than Bowser, so I think Yuna only boosted 3% from the previous year. So...with Samus/Zelda and Samus/Tifa apparently being anamolies, and with Rikku being a big question mark as to her standing from last year (was the "canceled out" Ryu idea from 2K5 correct, or did Ryu just have a bad year?), it's tough to say for sure if Samus/Solid Snake truly tells of Samus' correct strength. Oh, and then there's the fact that Yuna boosted since last year...maybe Rikku, as well? Plus, there's the situation of the poll's placement on IE, which might've messed Samus/Snake up a little. I mean...what if Zelda/Samus was the accurate match for Samus, Rikku behind an over-rated Bowser WAS correct (rather than that canceled-out Ryu idea), and Samus is just winning (SSBB SFF?), despite being indirectly weaker than Solid Snake and is around 39% on BL? Then, you could go either way about a Snake/Sonic situation and still be somewhat reasonable. Or, you could say Samus beating Snake was legit, Rikku being behind that "canceled out" (unadjusted) 2K5 Ryu is roughly correct (OR maybe Rikku just boosted like Yuna did), Zelda rSFFed Samus or whatever, and the Tifa/Samus error is more extreme. Then, you'd basically be obligated to say Snake overperformed against Sonic a whole bunch, unless Samus was truly that much of monster this year at 45% on BL, making Rikku ridiculously high, and making the error or Samus/Tifa and Samus/Zelda even MORE extreme. I'd stick with a roughly constant Samus in this case, personally. I think the latter idea would be a bit more credible, because there's a good chance Rikku boosted like Yuna did since last year ANYWAY, if her value was over-rated in 2K5 in the first place; also, you wouldn't have to say Samus has fallen in popularity, either. I find the Zelda vs. Samus result disturbing, though... but then again, Samus rSFFing Snake probably makes less sense. --- Antivote this petition, it sucks and would be wasting bandwidth: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 4:59:30 PM | message detail |
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There are more adjustments that one can make other than blatant cases
of SFF. People did so last year, and some adjustments served them well
(like the Dream Division being adjusted down). Others didn't do so
great (like the Devil Division being adjusted down). --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 11/13/2006 4:59:31 PM | message detail |
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Creative won't adjust if there's...well, nothing to base an adjustment
on. In Tifa's case, there isn't. The lack of veterans in her division
kinda prevents that. --- "A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own." - Solid Snake "I'll show you what true speed really is!" - Sonic |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:00:36 PM | message detail |
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I checked GameFAQs on IE...the poll was in its normal position in the upper-right corner of the page. Yeah, it got fixed right as the day vote started. Though Snake held up much better than I thought he would with it, which is encouraging! --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:01:29 PM | message detail |
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And by that I obviously mean afterschool vote. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Mister Mario | Posted 11/13/2006 5:04:29 PM | message detail |
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Doesn't making all sorts of arbitrary adjustments to the x-stats make
them... have no point? I understand things like Aeris are inexplicable,
but leaving her as is is probably much better than adjusting her to fit
a four-year old standard. If something is this inexplicable, aren't you
being burned either way when the next contest proves the
non-adjustment/adjustment to be wrong? --- Z1mZum more like Z1mAwesome. Support Toadette in the S2k6 Character Contest! |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 5:06:10 PM | message detail |
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leaving them as they are has even less of a point. feel free to use them unadjusted. though we should mention that we just have fun adjusting stats for some reason. this is intrinsically fun to us. --- zizzy |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:06:17 PM | message detail |
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The adjustments aren't perfect, but neither are the X-Stats. They're a guideline,
which is something people need to get drilled into their heads. In my
stats, I find it more helpful to assume Zelda *isn't* stronger than
Sonic, Mega Man, and Crono this year, and thus I will adjust her. I
find it more helpful to assume Tifa isn't the second strongest
character in the bracket. I hardly think I'm going to get burned by
doing this. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 11/13/2006 5:07:59 PM | message detail |
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Incidentally, is anyone planning on an update topic? I modified my
usual spreadsheet to work for between 2-6 entrants, but without cn's
update script running, I'll need to get votals at the fifteen minute
marks from somewhere... --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:08:21 PM | message detail |
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And yes, tweaking these numbers is actually a very compelling
hobby...not to mention seeing Snake above 40 on BL takes away the sting
of this horrible match! ;_; --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 5:08:39 PM | message detail |
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I was going to make one, RPGuy. I have zero idea how to do it other
than to copy/paste the results every five minutes and post it. --- zizzy |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/13/2006 5:09:34 PM | message detail |
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Interesting idea. Well, could you upload the spreadsheet so everyone can use it? --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/13/2006 5:13:24 PM | message detail |
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Ahh, my poll disappeared for a few seconds. I don't mean it changed positions, it just disappeared >_> Weird --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:14:22 PM | message detail |
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That happened to me once earlier, but I simply assumed I'd gone insane at that point. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 11/13/2006 5:15:11 PM | message detail |
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Certainly. http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/BattleRoyale.xls Filling in the vote totals on the Votal tab generates the stuff on the Update tab. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/13/2006 5:15:18 PM | message detail |
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I haven't had any problems with the poll all day. I use FireFox 2.0, though, maybe that makes a difference. --- I suppose people like IX because it was most similar to their favorite cartoon, Dragon Ball Z.- poupadis |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/13/2006 5:17:29 PM | message detail |
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Cool. I can do the updates at about 6 AM and on. It's a pretty dead time so it might help. --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 5:18:45 PM | message detail |
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nifty - I guess I'll make an update topic. maybe I'll even install excel at home, too! --- zizzy |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 11/13/2006 5:18:55 PM | message detail |
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Updates look something like this: Time | Link | Cloud | Sephiroth | Mario | Samus | Snake | Total Votes 00:15 | 19.74% | 15.79% | 13.16% | 8.77% | 6.58% | 8.77% | 228 00:00 | 32.26% | 19.35% | 19.35% | 12.90% | 6.45% | 9.68% | 62 Although I can probably get that to align better. Maybe add more fields, but with six characters that's kinda tricky. I don't want to have to wrap around updates. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 5:19:41 PM | message detail |
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that's good enough I think. it might not be the prettiest thing, but it's a one-day thing anyway. --- zizzy |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/13/2006 5:21:36 PM | message detail |
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Is there a guide on how to make a set of stats? Because I'd really be
interested in making my own and comparing them to some of yours TuRtLe ~~~ Pretty much out of the contest lol x-stats |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 11/13/2006 5:25:14 PM | message detail |
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Time . | Link . . | Cloud .. | Sephy . | Mario . | Samus . | Snake . | Total Votes 00:15 | 19.74% | 15.79% | 13.16% | 08.77% | 06.58% | 08.77% | 228 00:00 | 32.26% | 19.35% | 19.35% | 12.90% | 06.45% | 09.68% | 62 That's better. All you need to do is define a new format for cells (00.00%), and add some periods to take up space in the names. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:27:23 PM | message detail |
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Is there a guide on how to make a set of stats? Because I'd really
be interested in making my own and comparing them to some of yours *Extrapolated Standings* Explanation of Extrapolated Standings: http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11 Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings: A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 11/13/2006 5:28:44 PM | message detail |
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Although, heh, my total vote counter is wrong. Redownload to get proper alignment and proper vote counts. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 5:29:20 PM | message detail |
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okay, made a topic: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=31742687 hopefully we get some good support so we don't miss many updates. --- zizzy |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/13/2006 5:30:49 PM | message detail |
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With regard to stat adjustments being arbitrary, just look at the Games
Contest. Those adjustments were based on absolutely nothing. --- "Luckily, I brought my smart sword. It won't hurt anyone 'friendly'. In fact, it makes them talk!" - Princess Zelda |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 11/13/2006 5:32:02 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm...If there are pictures for the Battle Royale, would they start on 64, or would they be like br, or something else? --- "A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own." - Solid Snake "I'll show you what true speed really is!" - Sonic |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:32:33 PM | message detail |
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The Games Contest was the only contest where the stat adjustments were
actually upsetting. I can't let go of the fact that freaking Legend of Zelda got an adjustment for its match against SMB3 when there were a ton of other far more obvious SFF affairs in the bracket. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/13/2006 5:33:03 PM | message detail |
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I'm thinking we're not going to get one, actually. makes me wonder how it will affect both the vote totals and the results. --- zizzy |
| rpgapzx | Posted 11/13/2006 5:34:16 PM | message detail |
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I don't see why it would be hard to do pictures. 6 Vertical profile
shots would work. I guess it would be difficult to think of a new theme
each day though. --- Poker is proof that men are the irrational sex. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 5:34:26 PM | message detail |
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Link would have definitely suffered from no picture if Zelda had pulled
the upset over Samus. Other than that...eh, Samus probably suffers no
matter what, which is something she really doesn't need. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 11/13/2006 5:34:50 PM | message detail |
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Hey, let's see how the stats look if Samus was underrated (let's just say she's at 45% on BL)! Samus - 45.00% Snake - 42.12% (assuming he finishes with 46.80%) Sonic - 37.91% Mega Man - 37.63% Crono - 37.33% ...You go another percent up and you get Samus half-way in between Seph and Mario, Snake equal to Mario, Sonic slightly above his 2005 value, Mega Man slightly below, and Crono down a % from last year, which looks better, but puts everyone a bit high. Oh yeah, and Samus and Tifa adjusted seperately, and Rikku...I guess was underrated along with Ryu or something? Yeesh, I'll leave the stats doing up to you guys... --- Moltar Status: 10th on the leaderboard! Go my alt! Samus vs. Snake - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (120/160) |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 11/13/2006 5:36:12 PM | message detail |
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http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/BattleRoyale.jpg It's too big, but that's what I would have liked to see for the Battle Royale. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
