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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 428

KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:42:00 PM | message detail
AW YEAH NOT GETTIN PAST 1000 VOTES

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Janus5000 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:42:53 PM | message detail
COMEBACK... MAYBE...
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/12/2006 11:44:03 PM | message detail
So the weakest character in the noble nine will be Crono. Interesting...
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JaKyL25 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:44:18 PM | message detail
THERE WILL BE NO COMEBACK

Full speed ahead Samus!
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zwong1 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:44:54 PM | message detail
Snake just need to stall for 15 mins more before he make a comeback like Tifa did.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:46:36 PM | message detail
MAYBE NOT
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dragoontheguy | Posted 11/12/2006 11:48:12 PM | message detail
2:30-5 hours in or so is pretty much snakes best time. I'd be scared if he wasn't cutting percentage off samus here and stalling, because that could potentially mean the match would end up even worse for him.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/12/2006 11:48:39 PM | message detail
Sc2k5 Unadjusted Rankings
Crono > Mega Man > Sonic > Solid Snake > Samus

Sc2k6 Unadjusted Rankings
Crono < Mega Man < Sonic < Solid Snake < Samus

What a bizzare contest...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/12/2006 11:49:12 PM | message detail
Tifa was still mostly stalling here, but let's not forget that Tifa was down by a fair bit less. And, impressive as that performance was...she still lost.

Snake could pull it out if his day vote was better than hers, but that's a real stretch. Although Tifa hasn't been shown to be that good with it all contest, and she ended up losing more percentage to Sonic than Snake did...

...bah.
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zwong1 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:49:21 PM | message detail
Sc2k5 Unadjusted Rankings
Crono > Mega Man > Sonic > Solid Snake > Samus

Sc2k6 Unadjusted Rankings
Crono < Mega Man < Sonic < Solid Snake < Samus

LOL.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:52:56 PM | message detail
And with that, Samus has surpassed her pace against Tifa. A sad, sad day.

Well, it must be for a Snake supporter such as yourself, but even in losing to Samus, he still had a ridiculously sick, sick run. Samus, not unlike Snake, doesn't get much contest love, she had that really bad loss to Mario, as well as her Tifa debacle a week or so ago. She didn't really have as many opportunities to out and out impress the contest audience, being stuck in the female half; I think she deserves to prove that she earns the fifth slot; it isn't that sad a day.

go Samus!
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/12/2006 11:53:51 PM | message detail
For those interested. How the Extraploated Stats would look if only the votes made in the first hour counted:

Samus – 50.00
Solid Snake – 47.79
Tifa – 46.98
Crono – 45.16
Zelda – 44.39
Mega Man – 43.48
Sonic – 41.01
Yoshi – 38.58
Vincent – 37.89
Ganondorf – 37.84
Squall – 37.48
Sora – 36.65
Dante – 36.60
Aeris – 36.29
Auron – 36.20
Bowser – 35.44
Yuna – 34.95
Ryu – 34.36
Luigi – 33.77
Peach – 33.27
Kirby – 33.03
Riku – 33.02
Jill – 31.93
Leon – 30.46
Sub-Zero – 30.33
Zero – 30.13
Chun Li – 29.47
Rikku – 29.15
Master Chief – 28.48
Alucard – 28.00
Gordon Freeman – 27.49
KOS-MOS – 27.43
Kratos – 26.91
Phoenix Wright – 25.95
Ryu Hayabusa – 25.17
The Boss – 24.67
Kairi – 23.71
Lara – 23.06
Claire – 22.59
Marle – 22.24
Prince of Persia – 22.22
Nidoran F – 22.17
Sheena – 22.16
Axel – 21.47
Captain Falcon – 20.88
Ivy – 20.61
Tidus – 20.04
Ada Wong – 20.01
Terra – 19.25
Celes – 19.17
CATS – 18.89
Tingle – 18.78
Kasumi – 17.15
Soma – 16.81
Amy – 16.63
Joanna Dark – 16.60
Roll – 15.99
Sarah – 15.83
Carmen – 15.02
Lenneth – 14.90
Cortana – 12.53
Alyx – 11.14
Daisy – 10.99
Jade – 9.18
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:55:24 PM | message detail
Assuming Link > Cloud > Sephiroth holds, and Mario > Samus:

Noble Nine by the years (raw stats):
2002: Link > Sephiroth > Mega Man > Samus > Sonic > Mario > Crono > Cloud > Snake
2003: Cloud > Link > Sephiorth > Mega Man > Mario > Crono > Samus > Snake > Sonic
2004: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Samus > Crono > Mario > Sonic > Mega Man > Snake
2005: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Mario > Croon > Mega Man > Sonic > Snake > Samus
2006: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Mario > Samus > Snake > Sonic > Mega Man > Crono

Noble Nine by the years (my adjustments):
2002: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Mega Man > Mario > Crono > Samus > Sonic > Snake
2003: Cloud > Link > Sephiorth > Mega Man > Mario > Crono > Samus > Snake > Sonic
2004: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Samus > Crono > Mega Man > Mario > Sonic > Snake
2005: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Mario > Samus > Crono > Mega Man > Sonic > Snake
2006: Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Mario > Samus > Snake > Sonic > Mega Man > Crono

Funny how the order of the last four switched completely from last year.
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zwong1 | Posted 11/12/2006 11:59:09 PM | message detail
If Snake does not win the next few updates, i think it can concluded that Snake will not make any comeback anymore.

Anyway, it is a good run by Snake, see you in the BR then.
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trizob the hedgehog | Posted 11/13/2006 12:00:23 AM | message detail
How is Sonic behind Mega Man and Crono in those stats? Sonic beat Crono directly, and what Snake does on Samus shouldn't effect Mega Man compared to Sonic...
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rpgapzx | Posted 11/13/2006 12:00:34 AM | message detail
Tifa – 46.98
Crono – 45.16
Zelda – 44.39
Mega Man – 43.48
Sonic – 41.01


LOL Noble Nine

Sub-Zero – 30.33
Zero – 30.13


LOL Zeroes next to each other.

Alucard – 28.00
Gordon Freeman – 27.49
KOS-MOS – 27.43


LOL Universe Implodes

Ivy – 20.61
Tidus – 20.04
Ada Wong – 20.01


LOL Meg Ryan

Terra – 19.25
Celes – 19.17


LOL FF6.


CATS – 18.89
Tingle – 18.78


LOL potential 2k7 Match.

Amy – 16.63
Joanna Dark – 16.60
Roll – 15.99
Sarah – 15.83
Carmen – 15.02
Lenneth – 14.90
Cortana – 12.53
Alyx – 11.14
Daisy – 10.99
Jade – 9.18


LOL Female Fodder.
Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 12:01:56 AM | message detail
How is Sonic behind Mega Man and Crono in those stats? Sonic beat Crono directly, and what Snake does on Samus shouldn't effect Mega Man compared to Sonic...

if only the votes made in the first hour counted
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trizob the hedgehog | Posted 11/13/2006 12:03:32 AM | message detail
Oh... you mean overall? I thought you meant just the first hour of this match as the final percentage.

Never mind, then

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 12:04:43 AM | message detail
Oh... you mean overall?

How else could Tifa be below Snake after finishing with 49%+ against Samus?
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 11/13/2006 12:07:32 AM | message detail
RPGuy.... how can you have Mario behind Cloud and Seph and Mega Man in 2002? Mario BEAT Cloud.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 12:08:51 AM | message detail
Those are his adjustments. It's quite obvious Cloud was #2 in 2002, he just picked the wrong day to mess with Mario.
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trizob the hedgehog | Posted 11/13/2006 12:11:00 AM | message detail
How else could Tifa be below Snake after finishing with 49%+ against Samus?

That's what I was trying to figure out.

>_>
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 11/13/2006 12:12:41 AM | message detail
From: Karma Hunter
Those are his adjustments. It's quite obvious Cloud was #2 in 2002, he just picked the wrong day to mess with Mario.

I know they were adjustments. And I know that day was kinda fluky >_> But come on!

Ahh I guess you're right.
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CB06 - Score: 122/160 Rank: Tied - 3594th Yesterday's Pick: Crono Today's Pick: Samus
Tomorrow's Pick: Samus Elim Losses: Cortana, Ganondorf, Zero, Master Chief, Kirby, Mega Man, Crono(2)
Haste_2 | Posted 11/13/2006 12:22:16 AM | message detail
I'll catch up on the stats topic later...don't know what everyone's been talking about yet.

Snake is losing to Samus...what on Earth? Samus'll only increase her percentage later on, too, perhaps even up to 54/55%. I was predicting about a 54% victory for Solid Snake, though ... Samus really did seem like she was worth about 39% on BL beforehand, looking at her matches against (over-rated) Rikku and Zelda...maybe those were unfair to Samus, and Rikku's 2K5 value was actually rather accurate, perhaps due to Ryu under-performing on Bowser in 2K5. It looks like Aeris will have a respectable x-stat value in the end, and Yuna...uh...o_O (not to mention Tifa).

Well, I figure's there's three decent ways to explain this:
One, Samus never lost a bit of ground since her peak..heck, she may have been under-rated even with her SC2K5 value. Of course, that would mean Samus was hurt like MAD with her ZSS on Samus, and was rSFFed by Zelda, almost surely.
Two, Solid Snake vs. Sonic the Hedgehog was a fluke and should've been much closer.
Three, which I get the feeling is a VERY popular opinion in the topic... Snake is being rSFFed by Samus because of Snake being in the SSBB trailor and all.

I could see any of those being the case...I want to say it's a little bit of combination of one and two, though. I definitely want to say #2 has a great shot at being true, since we had quite a bit of data with the quarter-brackets of both Snake and Sonic to compare between 2K5 and 2K6, and least-squares ...of course, least squares using a whole bracket is better, but still, 20+ 2K5 characters is better than doing it for even the entire bracket of Sp2K5. Considering the flukes, Nintendo Boostage, etc, the Sp2K5 stats actually ended up fairly accurate (yes, that's right...accurate, thought slightly high, and Sephiroth and Liquid were the anomalies). Of course, I -definitely- wouldn't count out bad luck on the least-squares math, especially since one messed up result in some unknown match can totally mess things up.

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the jp | Posted 11/13/2006 12:23:51 AM | message detail
Ganondorf – 37.84

And right there is why XStats are flawed and pointless.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/13/2006 12:26:40 AM | message detail
Considering these stats only count votes made in the first hour, they are flawed and pointless. But wasn't that obivous?
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Lopen | Posted 11/13/2006 12:26:57 AM | message detail
I still give Snake a chance to win this... but Samus > Mega Man and Sonic disappoints me!

Still think Mega could've SFFed her, though.
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rpgapzx | Posted 11/13/2006 12:27:27 AM | message detail
TRE: Can you do stats with a 52/48 finish? Please?

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Haste_2 | Posted 11/13/2006 12:27:59 AM | message detail
Still haven't read much, but before someone starts bashing what I say... I very much respect the idea of Snake/Samus being the fluke, since it makes Crono, Sonic, and Mega Man all very close together like last year.

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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/13/2006 12:29:39 AM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 12:32:02 AM | message detail
Meh, Snake/Samus isn't flukish unless Samus is seriously siphoning Snake's new boost (or if Solid is suffering from Ceej NOT FIXING THE ****ING POLL). Unless it's just plain weird.

Snake/Sonic being the fluke makes a lot more sense, and lines things up much closer to where you would expect (Tifa aside). I can't imagine Samus making Crono look as bad as she made Sonic look in 2004.

Though Crono really doesn't look good no matter what you do with him. What happened, man?
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Terran | Posted 11/13/2006 12:34:20 AM | message detail
Two, Solid Snake vs. Sonic the Hedgehog was a fluke and should've been much closer.

Not necessarily. In 2004 when Samus faced Sonic again, Samus got 57.51% of the vote, compared to the 54.99% of the vote Snake got against Sonic. I'm still a very big believer that rather then Snake being stronger then ever, Crono and Mega Man merely fell. Samus beating Snake seems to support that all the more.

Three, which I get the feeling is a VERY popular opinion in the topic... Snake is being rSFFed by Samus because of Snake being in the SSBB trailor and all.

I don't really see that being the case. I can maybe see board voters factoring in Snake's impending SSBB performance but I don't think more casual voters are going to vote for Snake over a game that's coming out sometime next year. I think if Snake is going to get a significant SSBB boost, that will actually come in next year's contest.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 12:38:08 AM | message detail
And not to harp on it or seem biased (<_______________<) but we're on track to have the lowest voted poll since Crono/Auron.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/13/2006 12:39:52 AM | message detail
Ah, my bad, Crono/Sonic. Guess it's not so bad then. Into the paddywagon with me!
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zwong1 | Posted 11/13/2006 12:41:39 AM | message detail
It is pretty annoying that the poll keeps shifting down to the lower part. I think this malfunction does indeed hurt Snake because Snake is better with higher votals.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 11/13/2006 1:03:36 AM | message detail
srsly lol x stats
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/13/2006 1:34:54 AM | message detail
Er, I didn't mean I thought all of those three theories were true. I meant that one or more of those were possible.

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Haste_2 | Posted 11/13/2006 1:45:48 AM | message detail
I have to mention a certain interesting thing...if Ryu beats Rikku the same way now as last year, and both their losses to Mega Man and Samus were legit, Samus beats Mega Man with 58.29%. So, Samus needs to beat Snake with 53.66% to make the Ryu/Rikku proportion still perfect, and it looks like she's well on her way to that. It's all working out!!!

On a side note, I hope Axel still ends up above Kairi in the final x-stats.

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Haste_2 | Posted 11/13/2006 2:39:27 AM | message detail
I hate to triple post, but blast everyone for being asleep, and blast myself for being such a night owl!

SC2K6 has shaped up to be one of my favorite contests ever, and that's without the Battle Royale... You see...Samus is my favorite of all the Noble Niners, and I just -hated- how SC2K5 ended... I was hoping to see some sort of upset involving the Noble Nine, and it indeed happened...but ONLY with Samus, who was flat out embarassed. On top of that, many had doubts Samus was anywhere near Mario in popularity... :( This year...nearly the opposite came true...Samus becomes an underdog for the last few rounds only to win the bracket, and two more upsets involving the Noble Nine occur, and they do not even involve Samus. :)

Maybe the vote totals will actually get LOWER as the Battle Royale goes on, and the all-time record will be on Day 1...? It's a crazy theory, but the characters will get fewer as the days go by. Actually, I could see something like... Day 1: 160,000; Day 2; 170,000; Day 3; 180,000; Day 4; 170,000; Day 5; 160,000; Day 6; 160,000. Or something weird like that....

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/13/2006 2:55:16 AM | message detail
Tifa was in the lead at this time

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Terran | Posted 11/13/2006 2:55:52 AM | message detail
Tifa's probably going to end up finishing 2nd in the x-stats >_>

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__Smurf__ | Posted 11/13/2006 3:10:33 AM | message detail
I think for the adjustments.
Tifa = Vincent
Zelda = Ganondorf

That makes much more sense.
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jonthomson | Posted 11/13/2006 3:24:35 AM | message detail
Hmm, it's been quiet in this topic for the past couple of hours. Strange, seeing how Snake's chipping away at the lead, if only by a couple of hundred.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/13/2006 3:29:28 AM | message detail
He's also about 20-30 minutes away from the morning vote
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SONICBETTASAMUS | Posted 11/13/2006 3:29:50 AM | message detail
hay guys.
MasterOfHunters | Posted 11/13/2006 4:54:49 AM | message detail
Congratulations Jakyl25! Or is it too early to declare the winner before the battle royale?
Adept of Aiur | Posted 11/13/2006 5:27:21 AM | message detail
Congratulations Jakyl25! Or is it too early to declare the winner before the battle royale?

Too early. Jakyl25 posted in here, and I liked him, so I'd like if he won, but if I remember his battle royale at all, he might lose there.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 11/13/2006 8:49:54 AM | message detail
Bleh.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 11/13/2006 8:50:07 AM | message detail
Snake should be winning.
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