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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 425

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/10/2006 8:31:16 PM | message detail
From PortugalTheMann
Please take Snake to go 50/50 with Mario. Please.

Mario would beat him 55-45. You know all that boost Snake got? Yeah, say bye bye thanks to Nintendo SFF.

Though I would expect Snake to be as strong as Mario indirectly

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o4o22oo4 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:32:23 PM | message detail
A lot of you may feel inclined to believe that this year proves that the X-Stats are useless or that voters are inherently unpredictable and thus the contest isn't even worth analyzing.

I beg to differ. I think the positive growth trends of characters like Sonic, Sora, Tifa and Snake, as well as the negative decline trends for Crono and Mega Man, can pretty accurately be explained -- and I think these trends are likely to continue in 2K7 and maybe even 2K8.

The reasoning is simple: characters who haven't done anything lately are bound to slowly, gradually decline in their popularity, by tiny but still noticable intervals every year, espesically when GameFAQs continues to attract an increasingly casual crowd to its website.

On the other hand, characters who are still doing things lately are bound to grow as their characters continue to make headlines in the latest gaming magazines and get great reviews at GameSpot. If the hype's there, people are bound to continue to show interest and support these characters.

Nothing -- no other thing I can imagine -- better proves this point than the simple fact that Snake and Sonic are most likely going to be playable characters in SSBB. Think about it; the fact that Sega are (not so secretly) pushing for Sonic's inclusion in SSBB, and the fact that Snake is already in SSBB, suggets that Konami and Sega, Kojima and Team Sonic are still aggressively promoting Snake and Sonic in their marketing campaigns. Why? Because Snake and Sonic are going to be heavily involved in next-gen games. Because Konami and Sega haven't forgotten about them and thrown them and the back-burner. And as SSBB, MGS4 and the Next-Gen Sonic continue to make headlines, gamers are smacked upside the head every day with the latest Snake and Sonic news.

The same is true of Kingdom Hearts, which has led to a spike in Sora's recent popularity, because Square has done a masterful job marketing it; and so long as Square and Nintendo continue to milk the crap out of FFVII and Legend of Zelda, yes, Link and Cloud and Sephiroth are still going to remain constant in our top three.

These trends are going to continue. Unless a great next-gen Mega Man title is announced that resurrects the dying series, and unless a Chrono Trigger remake or a true CT-sequel is announced by Square, expect Mega Man and Crono to continue to ever-so-slowly decline. It will be a slow and steady decline, difficult to notice on a yearly basis, but it will happen. And the first sign may be in 2K7, when Vincent, Sora or Ganondorf will very likely be strong enough to upset Mega Man, causing the first NN-loss to a non-NN character.
Haste_2 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:32:49 PM | message detail
You could take Snake vs. Squall and Mega Man vs. Ryu as two arguments for Snake/Mega 2K6 being almost all Snake... there's more to oppose that, though... Mega/Sora, Snake/Yoshi, those being more significant due to being R3 matches, and the intangible matches.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/10/2006 8:34:25 PM | message detail
I didn't think it at first, but maybe Snake/Yoshi was partially a result of Solid ****?

I'll chalk Sora/MM up to Sora boosting to Ganondorf's 2k5 level <_<

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/10/2006 8:35:12 PM | message detail
Crono didn't decline. Higher votals help the more recognizable character. Which is why ZSS oombed to hell against Tifa.

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xp1337 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:35:32 PM | message detail
It figures that Crono is putting up a stall just as Sonic is knocking on 2000. =(
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SC2k6 (102/120) Sonic v Crono
Draco1214 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:35:58 PM | message detail
As much as I would love for Snake to win the whole contest, it isn't happening.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 11/10/2006 8:36:59 PM | message detail
Ceej better hurry up with those pictures.
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o4o22oo4 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:37:14 PM | message detail
I think the Solid **** effect of Snake losing votes in his sprite rounds can be fairly accurately proven just by digging up all the past years results in his sprite rounds (against Bowser and Yoshi, etc) and comparing to his other performances. Plus, it just makes sense that Squall would be stronger than Yoshi, but that wouldn't be true at all if there were no Solid **** effect.

In fact, Snake isn't the only one who was hurt by sprites. Remember Link's godawful Bible Belt sprite against Magus in 2K3? And everyone wonders why we overrated Magus so heavily in 2K4 and 2K5 -- our 33% Magus/Link stat in 2K3 was a farce, as Magus' awesome sprite was facing a sprite that didn't really look like Link at all.
o4o22oo4 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:39:02 PM | message detail
Crono didn't decline. Higher votals help the more recognizable character. Which is why ZSS oombed to hell against Tifa.


Ironically enough in an attempt to disprove my theory you prove it, merely by using different language. Crono is declining percentage-wise if higher vote totals from a casual influx of voters all support "the more recognizable character" and if "the more recognizable character" is, in this case, Sonic. And why would Sonic be the "more recognizable character" these days? Didn't I just explain that exact argument in that previous post of mine?
PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/10/2006 8:40:17 PM | message detail
It's Black Turtle, we ignore him.

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MattGrandprix | Posted 11/10/2006 8:41:57 PM | message detail
What are the chances of Crono fans voting for Snake in the next round, just to spite Sonic fans?
xp1337 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:43:18 PM | message detail
I can't see it being any worse than Mega Man fans voting Sonic just to spite Snake.

However, I don't think revenge voting is ever really a factor.
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SC2k6 (102/120) Sonic v Crono
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/10/2006 8:43:55 PM | message detail
People outside of this board really don't care who wins or loses, aside from the morons who come and say "Character x beating character y? Character x sucks!!!!!!!!!!11"

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dethfdddddh | Posted 11/10/2006 8:46:01 PM | message detail
The ONLY time I think revenge voting did anything was Cloud/Seph 2k3.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/10/2006 8:49:51 PM | message detail
The only bad thing about this result is that it makes Bowser look worse.
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xp1337 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:50:15 PM | message detail
I'd argue maybe Mario/Crono 2k3, but as it turned out, it wouldn't have mattered really, besides taking away all the fun that night led to.
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SC2k6 (102/120) Sonic v Crono
BDawg | Posted 11/10/2006 8:54:24 PM | message detail
You know the sad thing is looking at leaderboard destruction is gonna be a lot more interesting than this match.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/10/2006 8:54:54 PM | message detail
You know the sad thing is looking at leaderboard destruction is gonna be a lot more interesting than this match.

Are you kidding?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/10/2006 8:56:13 PM | message detail
The pics are probably up, but on a URL we don't know <_<

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/10/2006 8:56:23 PM | message detail
I was gonna vote Snake regardless. Unless he went up against Crono. Then I'd go insane.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/10/2006 8:56:35 PM | message detail
Or not.

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Big Bob | Posted 11/10/2006 8:56:44 PM | message detail
I think the anti-Sonic fans were more annoying than the Sonic fans. Even Smurf wasn't claiming Crono sucks and that Chrono Trigger's overrated, but I saw a ton of topics deriding Sonic.
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triviaman | Posted 11/10/2006 8:58:26 PM | message detail
Snake beating Mega Man i saw as a possibility. (i didn't think it was likely before the contest started, but still possible.) Sonic beating Crono i also saw has unlikely, but possible. but Zelda over Samus? there is NO WAY that one is happening. i know a lot of matches haven't made much sense lately, but all signs of logic point to Samus breezing past Zelda with ease. this match had better maintain SOME semblance of sanity by Samus winning with at least 57%.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 11/10/2006 8:58:44 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb561.jpg

Heh, I thought this would happen. Good choice, Ceej.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 11/10/2006 8:59:04 PM | message detail
#39 on the leaderboard.

And then I'm done...

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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/10/2006 8:59:26 PM | message detail
Beautiful picture. Who made it?
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/10/2006 8:59:33 PM | message detail
I can handle that pic!

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/10/2006 8:59:59 PM | message detail
That's a really awesome picture.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:01 PM | message detail
Thats...a really funky semi-finals match pic. I'm sure I'll get used to it though. I mean, its good but....unique.
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Garsha_III | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:03 PM | message detail
You couldn't be anymore wrong, Bob. If Sonic lost, the Sonic whining would have been FAR worse.
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swirIdude | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:07 PM | message detail
OMG THERE A SPOIELR IN THAT PIC
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:26 PM | message detail
Samus Aran 46.03%

29
Zelda 53.97%

34
TOTAL VOTES 63

Boo, and nice pic...I guess
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Samus vs. Zelda - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (104/128)
MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:33 PM | message detail
...Holy crap at that prediction percentage.

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Janus5000 | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:44 PM | message detail
Samus Aran 42.31% 22
Zelda 57.69% 30
TOTAL VOTES 52

Bastards.

lawl 13.31%
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/10/2006 9:00:49 PM | message detail
Samus Aran 42.59% 23
Zelda 57.41% 31
TOTAL VOTES 54

Also: http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb561.jpg
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:02 PM | message detail
13.31% for Sonic, OMFG
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Samus vs. Zelda - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (104/128)
Dilated Chemist | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:06 PM | message detail
Zelda is gonna win.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:14 PM | message detail
13.31?!!!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:31 PM | message detail
Ouch. Ugly beatdown for Zelda. Ah well!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:34 PM | message detail
XD prediction precentage

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:40 PM | message detail
Holy **** at the leaderboard...
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Who Cares? | Posted 11/10/2006 9:01:46 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb561.jpg

*Gasp* Sweet Ceej used my pic! :)
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/10/2006 9:02:05 PM | message detail
Ouch. Ugly beatdown for Zelda. Ah well!

It's not really what I call ugly...especially during the board vote.

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swirIdude | Posted 11/10/2006 9:02:16 PM | message detail
That leaderboard change was awesome! 2 Zelda champs! 1 Mega! 2 Crono! Top 3 all have Snake! MUWHAHAHA!
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/10/2006 9:02:41 PM | message detail
Looks like Samus is holding her own right now.
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WaterMario222 | Posted 11/10/2006 9:02:46 PM | message detail
lol 50th Crono
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/10/2006 9:02:57 PM | message detail
17 MasterMoltar 120 Samus Aran

AWW YEE! And that's WITH Sheena winning her four-pack. It'd be in the Top 6 if I didn't do that, heh.
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Samus vs. Zelda - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (104/128)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/10/2006 9:03:00 PM | message detail
Good to see that Board 8 was pretty much purged from the leaderboard

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TheCruelAngel | Posted 11/10/2006 9:03:17 PM | message detail
Poor Zelda. =(
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