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Draco1214 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:17:51 PM | message detail

I wouldn't bat an eye if Samus approached 60% on Zelda.
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The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/7/2006 9:18:42 PM | message detail

I wouldn't bat an eye if Zelda doubled Samus.
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The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/7/2006 9:19:08 PM | message detail

Or rather, I won't bat an eye when Zelda doubles Samus.
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zwong1 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:19:24 PM | message detail

if you could travel back in time, and reveal the result of one match to pre-contest CS&D, which match would it be and why?

I think it will be Snake vs Mega Man and if only Snake won.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 9:21:23 PM | message detail

Whoa. I didn't even realize that Snake/Mega Man is tomorrow.

Good stuff.

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Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:21:30 PM | message detail

*takes Samus love. Ties it in a bag and beats it with baseball bat*

ZELDA > SAMUS, YO!
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nobleIII | Posted 11/7/2006 9:22:13 PM | message detail

Guys, Serious question.

If Zelda is this strong..how strong were Vincent and Ganondorf?

Draco1214 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:22:36 PM | message detail

Well, there are two possibilities here that could explain Yuna's underratedness (if she is at all).

1) Yuna is underrated through Samus/Mario, meaning Samus is likely even stronger than she looks, which means she's quite a ways ahead of Zelda, assuming Ganondorf wasn't SFF'd by Samus.
2) Yuna is underrated through Samus/Ganondorf, which means Samus SFF'd Ganondorf (putting an end to all the "BUT SAMUS CAN'T SFF ANYTHING" talk), which would mean Samus would do the same to Zelda.
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Janus5000 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:22:47 PM | message detail

Strong enough for Sonic to win the male bracket!
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Haste_2 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:22:52 PM | message detail

Whoa. I didn't even realize that Snake/Mega Man is tomorrow.

It's about time we have an uncertain match.

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 9:24:19 PM | message detail

I think there are some other debatable factors that go in Yuna's favor that ultimately end up with her being stronger this year, underrated or not. But it's not worth going into for this match when we'll get to see Zelda/Samus in just a few days.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:24:53 PM | message detail

Eh, Yuna appearing in Kingdom Hearts II is enough for me to suspect she got even a little stronger.
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Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:26:10 PM | message detail

And the pic for Samus/Zelda HAS to be Zero Suit Samus VS TP artwork Zelda!!!
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/7/2006 9:27:29 PM | message detail

People talk like if Samus SFF'd Ganon any then she HAS to SFF Zelda too...but that's completely not the case. Zelda's got more intangibles in her favor against Samus than Ganon does.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/7/2006 9:27:54 PM | message detail

Believing Yuna boosted because of KH2 is more stupid then believing Tifa boosted from it.

What will you tell me next? Crono boosted from Chrono Cross? Dante boosted from Viewtiful Joe? Mario boosted from OoT?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 9:28:32 PM | message detail

Eh, Yuna appearing in Kingdom Hearts II is enough for me to suspect she got even a little stronger.

Like .01% stronger? Aeris should've gotten a far bigger boost from KH2 than Yuna, and we know how that turned out...
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 9:29:39 PM | message detail

Zelda v. Aeris
0:05 -- 61.96%
0:10 -- 60.62%
0:15 -- 60.10%
0:20 -- 59.92%
0:25 -- 59.35%

Zelda v. Yuna
0:05 -- 62.23%
0:10 -- 61.34%
0:15 -- 61.03%
0:20 -- 60.59%
0:25 -- 60.92%

Very nice increase by Zelda. Hopefully she can manage to win all of her updates during the night and not get rocked with the occasional 46% update. >>

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creativename | Posted 11/7/2006 9:30:30 PM | message detail

I don't get why people are acting like the vote totals for the last match were all that. Yeah they were tops in this contest so far, but we know that 50/50 matches tend to get more votes, that matches in later rounds get more votes, and this was also a match between two strong characters. Looking at the vote totals as evidence for FF12 effect is a stretch, because they just weren't different by enough. The match had about 10K more votes than for instance Auron/Sub-Zero (a match you'd expect to get less votes than this one anyway), and even if Tifa got all of those "extra" votes, she still overperforms expectations. There was clearly something else afoot.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/7/2006 9:33:34 PM | message detail

Yeah, but Solid/Squall was the vote-leader and Samus/Tifa still outdid it by about 8,000. I'm just saying that, although I do think the pairing of Samus/Tifa would be as good or better of a vote draw as Solid/Squall, if Samus really isn't so recognized by that pic then the vote totals likely COULDN'T be that high unless they were going to be through the damn roof with a power-suit Samus.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 9:35:43 PM | message detail

HOLY CRAP I HAVE THE PROOF !!

Zelda gets 40% against Mega Man. Then she gets 45% on Snake. Now she'll continue her trend of increasing 5% on each Noble Nine character she faces and get 50% on Samus!

Believe.

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Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:37:03 PM | message detail

HOLY CRAP I HAVE THE PROOF !!

Zelda gets 40% against Mega Man. Then she gets 45% on Snake. Now she'll continue her trend of increasing 5% on each Noble Nine character she faces and get 50% on Samus!

Believe.

Good enough for me.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/7/2006 9:37:43 PM | message detail

HM has won me over.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 9:38:27 PM | message detail

From creativename
I don't get why people are acting like the vote totals for the last match were all that. Yeah they were tops in this contest so far, but we know that 50/50 matches tend to get more votes, that matches in later rounds get more votes, and this was also a match between two strong characters. Looking at the vote totals as evidence for FF12 effect is a stretch, because they just weren't different by enough. The match had about 10K more votes than for instance Auron/Sub-Zero (a match you'd expect to get less votes than this one anyway), and even if Tifa got all of those "extra" votes, she still overperforms expectations. There was clearly something else afoot.

I told you, Samus lost votes due to not being in the picture.

If we had suited Samus, yesterday's match would've been the new #1

TuRtLe
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:38:43 PM | message detail

Believing Yuna boosted because of KH2 is more stupid then believing Tifa boosted from it.

Well, since it isn't stupid to believe Tifa boosted from it, that statement doesn't mean that much to me.

Like .01% stronger? Aeris should've gotten a far bigger boost from KH2 than Yuna, and we know how that turned out...

Except that Aeris was already in Kingdom Hearts, and thus wasn't new to the KH fanbase. Squall and Aeris both did mediocre, at best, while Tifa and Auron have been quite impressive. Throw in strong Axel and Sora performances, and I think that's enough evidence for the power of Kingdom Hearts II.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 9:39:08 PM | message detail

From MyWorldIsZelda
HOLY CRAP I HAVE THE PROOF !!

Zelda gets 40% against Mega Man. Then she gets 45% on Snake. Now she'll continue her trend of increasing 5% on each Noble Nine character she faces and get 50% on Samus!

Believe.

And then when she beats Samus 50/50, she'll score 55% on Crono?

TuRtLe
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Janus5000 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:40:04 PM | message detail

And then 60% on day 1 in the BR... and then...

lol Link losing 80/20
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TehMissingLink | Posted 11/7/2006 9:40:13 PM | message detail

And then when she beats Samus 50/50, she'll score 55% on Crono?

Now you're thinking!

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Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:41:21 PM | message detail

And then 60% on day 1 in the BR... and then...

lol Link losing 80/20

I got Crono winning the bracket and all...but screw it! I'd throw it away just to see this! This would make my contest!
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TehMissingLink | Posted 11/7/2006 9:42:20 PM | message detail

Janus took it too far because my support has to end there !! >>

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wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:42:54 PM | message detail

Janus5000 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:43:46 PM | message detail

No more HM support? Fine, 79.99%.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/7/2006 9:43:51 PM | message detail

Except that Aeris was already in Kingdom Hearts, and thus wasn't new to the KH fanbase. Squall and Aeris both did mediocre, at best, while Tifa and Auron have been quite impressive. Throw in strong Axel and Sora performances, and I think that's enough evidence for the power of Kingdom Hearts II.

All of those characters have redeeming qualities, or at least something to make them "boost". Showing up as a weak, confused fairy and acting like a drama queen is not redeeming, and her 30 seconds of screen time is not going to boost her at all.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 9:50:52 PM | message detail

Except that Aeris was already in Kingdom Hearts, and thus wasn't new to the KH fanbase. Squall and Aeris both did mediocre, at best, while Tifa and Auron have been quite impressive. Throw in strong Axel and Sora performances, and I think that's enough evidence for the power of Kingdom Hearts II.

Fine then. Rikku was in there as much as Yuna. I have no problem with people boosting from KH2, namely Sora/Riku/Squall/Cloud/Seph/Tifa/Auron, but the Gullwings? I don't think so.
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Yesmar | Posted 11/7/2006 9:53:11 PM | message detail

Am I the first person to point out that Tifa has officially pulled off the highest percentage a Non-Noble Niner has gotten on a member of the Noble Nine?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 11/7/2006 9:54:56 PM | message detail

Am I the first person to point out that Tifa has officially pulled off the highest percentage a Non-Noble Niner has gotten on a member of the Noble Nine?

Which means that next year she'll be heralded as the killer of the Noble Nine and proceed to lose to Knuckles or Luigi.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/7/2006 9:59:10 PM | message detail

XxSoulxX | Posted 11/7/2006 9:59:26 PM | message detail

Which means that next year she'll be heralded as the killer of the Noble Nine and proceed to lose to Knuckles or Luigi.

She'll lose to Fox McCloud.
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transience | Posted 11/7/2006 9:59:49 PM | message detail

Samus - 50.00
Tifa - 49.51
Peach - 33.62
Jill Valentine - 33.61
Rikku - 31.00
Kairi - 25.87
Sheena - 25.52
The Boss - 25.20
Claire - 24.79
Ivy - 23.59
Ada Wong - 20.22
Celes - 19.62
Nidoran F - 18.15
Lenneth - 15.50
Daisy - 11.37
Jade - 9.75

I have a lot of thoughts on today's match but I want to wait and see how this night vote plays out now that the NPH is coming near an end.
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wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 10:00:23 PM | message detail

She'll lose to Fox McCloud.

*subscribes to Soul's newsletter*
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XxSoulxX | Posted 11/7/2006 10:00:27 PM | message detail

A new audience is a new audience though, and that's what Yuna and Rikku got from KH2. I didn't call for them to get a big boost, but appearing in one of the biggest games of the year can't hurt. Denying it had any effect is probably as incorrect as denying it had a big effect.

I'm not denying it having any effect. I could definitely see Yuna increasing by 0.01%, like someone already posted.

Other then that, it's really pushing it.
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leo3leo | Posted 11/7/2006 10:00:34 PM | message detail

"Which means that next year she'll be heralded as the killer of the Noble Nine and proceed to lose to Knuckles or Luigi."

Heh heh, zing.

TehMissingLink | Posted 11/7/2006 10:01:36 PM | message detail

Zelda had 59.12% here and falling while Zelda just came off of an increase here with 60.63%. I'm thinking that Zelda should hold up much better against Yuna during the night and take plenty of advantage during the day, hopefully ending up above 60%.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 10:03:21 PM | message detail

A new audience is a new audience though, and that's what Yuna and Rikku got from KH2. I didn't call for them to get a big boost, but appearing in one of the biggest games of the year can't hurt. Denying it had any effect is probably as incorrect as denying it had a big effect.

And how new is that audience? FFX, FFX-2, and KH2 were all on the PS2, unlike KH1 and FFVII/FFVIII. The potential for older characters to boost because of new games is far larger than that of recent characters to boost from games on their own system.
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zwong1 | Posted 11/7/2006 10:03:22 PM | message detail

Samus - 50.00
Tifa - 49.51
Peach - 33.62
Jill Valentine - 33.61
Rikku - 31.00
Kairi - 25.87
Sheena - 25.52
The Boss - 25.20
Claire - 24.79
Ivy - 23.59
Ada Wong - 20.22
Celes - 19.62
Nidoran F - 18.15
Lenneth - 15.50
Daisy - 11.37
Jade - 9.75

What the hell, Jill is way much stronger than claire. Expect Jill to be 20th plus on the x-stats.

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wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 10:04:26 PM | message detail

Once again...lol Jill and Peach being higher than Rikku in the stats!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 10:10:29 PM | message detail

Seeing Tifa considerably above Vincent in the x-stats is going to be weird

TuRtLe
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 10:11:51 PM | message detail

Scratch that, seeing Tifa considerably above Sonic in the x-stats is going to be weird

TuRtLe
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 10:12:48 PM | message detail

Seeing Tifa considerably above Vincent in the x-stats is going to be weird

About as weird as Bowser > Samus last year...or Frog > Magus in 2k4.
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Big Bob | Posted 11/7/2006 10:13:57 PM | message detail

Samus is losing in the finals. Sonic will be above her.

Seeing Tifa above MEGA MAN in the Xstats is going to be weird.
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