GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 419
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/7/2006 5:09:19 PM | message detail |
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Is fludd Mario really a good example? I mean it's not like he isn't recognizable, unlike Samus is today. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: Disgaea 2, KH:COM (Sora), Castlevania: LoI, MMZX |
| wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:12:43 PM | message detail |
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Samus, but it is surprising to see performances put up in in Fludd
Mario matches... People really do still vehemently dislike the game, it could definitely affect the match... What about WW Link? There's a big question that been jumbled around by Zelda fans for a long time...any other matches other than Cloud/Link 2k3? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/7/2006 5:13:14 PM | message detail |
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WW/Starcraft ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: Disgaea 2, KH:COM (Sora), Castlevania: LoI, MMZX |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:16:26 PM | message detail |
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Just got home, and am relieved to see Samus comfortably in the lead. Basically this all comes down to FFXIIFAQs. No, not the ______FAQs that people have been throwing around since the dawn of time, but actual FAQs for FF12 resulting in increased traffic. That and Samus getting a picture that if I hadn't seen the Brawl trailer, I wouldn't have known it was her and would have assumed it was some other Samus. TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/7/2006 5:16:34 PM | message detail |
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Well, he had them all through 2003 except against Magus. Though the only opponents he had were AiAi, Fox, and Samus. AiAi is AiAi, Fox was going to be SFFed out the wazoo no matter what. Maybe there's something happening Vs. Samus there --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:18:34 PM | message detail |
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Indeed but Starcraft was really rolling that year and... The thing that WW Link and Fludd Mario are based off of is not that their pic is bad, but that it associated them with disliked games in their series...so pic factor wouldnt affect WW, more like WW would affect WW...though a interesting possibility of pic factor is RE vs SF in the series contest. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:18:39 PM | message detail |
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I compared a few characters' voting patterns before and after FFXII's
release by checking the percentage of their total votes they received
before 3 PM, the start of the afterschool vote, on the presumption that
between that time and midnight is when the bulk of the effect from
FFXII should arrive. Sonic, Luigi, Sora, and Megaman were not covered
because they had weekend matches. Another thing to consider is that
round 3 was the sprite round, and having sprites as opposed to the
pictures of round 2 might change voting patterns; I would think they'd
make the day vote smaller. If that is the case, FFXII's position is
strengthened. Crono: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. C. Falcon: 59.69% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Auron: 59.77% Crono/Falcon's % of Total at 3: 57.87% Total Votes: 113396 Crono/Auron's % of Total at 3: 57.76% Total Votes: 124980 FFXII seems to have had no observable effect on Crono. (Crono/Bowser wasn't used because it was a weekend match.) Auron: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Alucard: 56.55% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Crono: 55.35% Auron/Alucard's % of Total at 3: 58.15% Total Votes: 116165 Auron/Crono's % of Total at 3: 57.76% Total Votes: 124980 FFXII appears to have had a small effect on Auron, maybe a 1% overperformance. (Auron/Sub-Zero not used because it was a weekend match.) Snake: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Soma: 58.35% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Yoshi: 61.84% Snake/Soma's % of Total at 3: 58.20% Total Votes: 109184 Snake/Yoshi's % of Total at 3: 59.70% Total Votes: 120866 From this, it appears Final Fantasy XII had a negative effect on Snake. However, I think another reason for Snake getting a lower percentage of his total during the day vote is his purple blob of a picture. The fact that he was up against Yoshi, and not a Castlevania character, might also have contributed to this. (Snake/Squall not used because it was a weekend match.) Yoshi: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Dante: 57.46% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Snake: 56.85% Yoshi/Dante's % of Total at 3: 58.00% Total Votes: 129569 Snake/Yoshi's % of Total at 3: 59.70% Total Votes: 120866 Yoshi was up against blob Snake. I don't really see any evidence as to whether FFXII has impacted the contest here, but I'd take the total votes being so much under Yoshi/Dante as evidence pictures do matter. Yuna: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Joanna: 60.77% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Chun-Li: 57.31% Yuna/Joanna's % of Total at 3: 60.99% Total Votes: 114940 Yuna/Chun-Li's % of Total at 3: 58.73% Total Votes: 117740 FFXII looks like it did have some effect on Yuna. Chun-Li: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Kasumi: 59.50% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Yuna: 60.96% Chun-Li/Kasumi's % of Total at 3: 58.44% Total Votes: 104317 Yuna/Chun-Li's % of Total at 3: 58.73% Total Votes: 117740 FFXII did not help Chun-Li any. Zelda: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Terra: 57.35% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Aeris: 56.93% Zelda/Terra's % of Total at 3: 58.87% Total Votes: 116831 Zelda/Aeris's % of Total at 3: 58.01% Total Votes: 125897 Not much support for FFXII here. Aeris: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. KOS-MOS: 60.28% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Zelda: 59.42% Aeris/KOS-MOS's % of Total at 3: 58.88% Total Votes: 113549 Aeris/Zelda's % of Total at 3: 58.01% Total Votes: 125897 No significant change, maybe a bit of help from FFXII. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:18:48 PM | message detail |
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Tifa: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. The Boss: 58.82% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Peach: 60.34% Tifa/The Boss's % of Total at 3: 58.56% Total Votes: 121529 Tifa/Peach's % of Total at 3: 60.08% Total Votes: 120863 FFXII seems to have been no help for Tifa. Although, it did come out on the day of the match, so perhaps the hype/anticipation coupled with few people having the game yet and people buying it at midnight could have helped Tifa's night vote here. Maybe. Peach: % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Jill: 55.11% % of Individual Total at 3 vs. Tifa: 59.57% Peach/Jill's % of Total at 3: 56.31% Total Votes: 118505 Tifa/Peach's % of Total at 3: 60.08% Total Votes: 120863 No help for FFXII here, although, again, this was its first day. From those matches, I don't see any conclusive evidence that FFXII has impacted the contest. Although, Sora wasn't covered due to his weekend match, and he's someone I'd expect to benefit among the most from the game. Auron and Yuna looked like it might have helped a bit. Aeris and Tifa... well I suppose one excuse would be that the game had just come out; I would expect boosts from FFXII to be much less frontloaded than from SMS, given the nature of the game. The sprite round is another thing. We might have a better idea on FFXII's impact after this round. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| Who Cares? | Posted 11/7/2006 5:19:38 PM | message detail |
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Damn Samus...I was hoping against hope that Tifa would unexpectely take the afterschool block! :( --- Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: Failed! She should've stayed away from the summoner! *Go play Tales of the Abyss* |
| Who Cares? | Posted 11/7/2006 5:22:45 PM | message detail |
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Sheena Fujibayashi – 21.06% Sheena = Kratos > Lloyd CONFIRMED! :P --- Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: Failed! She should've stayed away from the summoner! *Go play Tales of the Abyss* |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 5:22:52 PM | message detail |
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I compared a few characters' voting patterns before and after
FFXII's release by checking the percentage of their total votes they
received before 3 PM, the start of the afterschool vote, on the
presumption that between that time and midnight is when the bulk of the
effect from FFXII should arrive. Why? Why should FFXII have different trends from every other FF game? --- "Luckily, I brought my smart sword. It won't hurt anyone 'friendly'. In fact, it makes them talk!" - Princess Zelda |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:23:01 PM | message detail |
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Zelda/Aeris was a day after the game released. I highly doubt that
people who got it on the first day needed FAQs to get through the first
few hours. I think it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. On the one hand, we have a completely roided Zelda, but on the other, we have a completely roided Yuna that hasn't even had a chance to tap into FF12's voting pool yet. TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:24:08 PM | message detail |
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And FF12's trends would come from the fact that 1.5 million people have
bought it in the last week and are looking for FAQs when they are
playing, which would typically be after work/school and into the
evening. TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:25:26 PM | message detail |
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Why? Why should FFXII have different trends from every other FF game? It wouldn't, but the idea for the boost was that people checking faqs for it also vote for other characters. It just seems likely to me that faqs traffic would be mostly during the afterschool/evening. Just an assumption, though. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:27:37 PM | message detail |
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The order of factors in Tifa's favour are likely: FF12 traffic, accounting for the high votals which would've been higher if Samus was actually in the match pic > Samus not being in the match pic > any KH2 boosting TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 5:30:23 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't have known it was her and would have assumed it was some other Samus. ...What other Samus do you know? --- "Let's face it: the princess Zelda has always been a symbol of sexual desire." |
| Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:33:16 PM | message detail |
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Imagine if Tifa mounted a comeback...and fell short by 27 votes. >> --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 5:37:23 PM | message detail |
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FF12 traffic, accounting for the high votals which would've been
higher if Samus was actually in the match pic > Samus not being in
the match pic > any KH2 boosting Meh, I'd count on AC being a bigger factor for Tifa than KH2. And what about the Female Bracket factor? --- "Luckily, I brought my smart sword. It won't hurt anyone 'friendly'. In fact, it makes them talk!" - Princess Zelda |
| Haste_2 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:41:02 PM | message detail |
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Maybe we can make more sense of this match than we thought! Let's say Ryu just happened overperformed on Mega Man this year, and his match with Bowser was accurate last year...anyway, Rikku through Bowser through Crono brings Rikku to 24.66% on BL. That brings Samus to 39.77%...then, let's just measure Tifa through 2K3 Jill Valentine or something, which still places Peach decently below Donkey Kong...Tifa goes up to 37.39%. That makes it a 53/47 match. Then, attribute the rest of the gap to Samus' pic and the effects of FFXII. *shrug* --- Sign the Petition for more stats in the GameFAQs Contests here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799 |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 11/7/2006 5:43:14 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, I wouldn''t be surprised if the entire anomaly of this match could be explained by samus' pic. --- Currently listening to: A Twist in the Myth, Amputechture, Deus Ex Machinae, Black Wings of Destiny, Let Mortal Heroes Sing your Fame, and others. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:43:43 PM | message detail |
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As far as Female Bracket Factor goes, well, the thing is: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2498 Tifa has over a quarter of the brackets to win the female bracket, and Samus only has 43%. It's not like the Villains Contest, where everyone knew it was just a cakewalk for Sephiroth. And myself, I think Bowser and Ganon overperformed there more due to the reason Magus overperformed on Link, that is, loyal fanbases that will vote them over anything (in this case people who will vote Nintendo over anything and people who will vote for anything over FFVII), than due to any reverse bracket voting. No proof either way, but in any case, I don't think that factor is helping Tifa today much at all. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:45:24 PM | message detail |
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Let's say Ryu just happened overperformed on Mega Man this year, and his match with Bowser was accurate last year... Failed right there. At any rate, it's hilarious how people were vehemently against Zelda breaking 45% on Samus, and now it seems like almost a certainty. TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| shadow8021 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:46:42 PM | message detail |
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Wow, just when you thought this bracket was getting easy, Samus/Tifa
manages to throw a curveball right at the stats and at common sense. --- Character Battle Score: 92/96 Guru Place: 6th Today's Pick: Samus Aran |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:46:49 PM | message detail |
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At any rate, it's hilarious how people were vehemently against Zelda
breaking 45% on Samus, and now it seems like almost a certainty. It's still far from a certainty as long as Samus has her suit back in her picture against Zelda. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:47:23 PM | message detail |
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And for the last hour, Samus' lead hasn't budged. Tifa's division is going to be totally ****ed in the stats TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 5:47:51 PM | message detail |
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Even with her suit, I really doubt that she goes and breaks 55% on Zelda. --- "Let's face it: the princess Zelda has always been a symbol of sexual desire." |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 11/7/2006 5:48:48 PM | message detail |
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At any rate, it's hilarious how people were vehemently against Zelda
breaking 45% on Samus, and now it seems like almost a certainty. Even funnier is how some people can't seem to see that samus looking like a completely different character in the pic could make her consderaby weaker. I mean, solid **** exists but ZSS causing samus to become considerably weaker is impossible? Come on. --- Currently listening to: A Twist in the Myth, Amputechture, Deus Ex Machinae, Black Wings of Destiny, Let Mortal Heroes Sing your Fame, and others. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:49:33 PM | message detail |
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Fun little game. If you could invent a time machine to go back
to pre-contest discussion, which match result would you reveal to the
stats topic to see the reaction? For me, it would either be this, or Sora breaking 54% on Mega Man. TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:50:25 PM | message detail |
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Definitely this. Had Tifa won, this would have been on the level of Magus/Knuckles. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 11/7/2006 5:50:29 PM | message detail |
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Sora breaking 54% on megaman would indeed be an interesting result to share. :P --- Currently listening to: A Twist in the Myth, Amputechture, Deus Ex Machinae, Black Wings of Destiny, Let Mortal Heroes Sing your Fame, and others. |
| Who Cares? | Posted 11/7/2006 5:52:29 PM | message detail |
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Definitely this. Had Tifa won, this would have been on the level of Magus/Knuckles. On the level? ...It would have far surpassed it. Y'know, Noble Nine breaking and all that. --- Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: Failed! She should've stayed away from the summoner! *Go play Tales of the Abyss* |
| Janus5000 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:53:40 PM | message detail |
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Had Tifa won, this would have been on the level of Magus/Knuckles. This would've make Magus/Knuckles look like SSB/DQ. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:54:40 PM | message detail |
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If Tifa had won, it would've been comparable to Mario beating Cloud if it had happened in 2k4 instead of 2k2. TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 11/7/2006 5:55:38 PM | message detail |
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Tifa's division is going to be totally ****ed in the stats Meh, not like it matters much anyway. I doubt we'll be seeing any of them again, (well, a big maybePeach...) And if I would have known about just the result for this match pre-Contest (meaning I'm thinking Samus with suit vs. Tifa), I would have lost it. --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Samus vs. Tifa - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (88/96) |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/7/2006 5:55:43 PM | message detail |
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And just thinking about it, who do you take in a Mario/Sephiroth
rematch assuming it happens next year after Brawl and SMG are out? TuRtLe ~~~ 81/88 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| zwong1 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:56:23 PM | message detail |
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I will take Mario. --- I am a Singaporean and I hope Snake will beat Megaman. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:56:37 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth, easy. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 11/7/2006 5:57:05 PM | message detail |
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And just thinking about it, who do you take in a Mario/Sephiroth
rematch assuming it happens next year after Brawl and SMG are out? Whichever one has less picks in the BOP. >>; --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 5:58:10 PM | message detail |
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Sephy still --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| Haste_2 | Posted 11/7/2006 6:00:15 PM | message detail |
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Let's say Ryu just happened overperformed on Mega Man this year, and his match with Bowser was accurate last year... Failed right there. How did that fail? Even using a weaker Ryu like that, it makes Kratos a little bit stronger than the previous year, even taking 2K5 Kratos through 2K4 Sora... or, you could say Ryu redeemed himself rather than over-performing on Mega Man. if one thinks Samus is at Crono's level or weaker then you oughtta say Rikku through Bowser in 2K5 is accurate, unless you want to say both of Ryu's matches that year were anomalies, which would be about the least reasonable thing you could think of. --- Sign the Petition for more stats in the GameFAQs Contests here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799 |
| Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 6:05:16 PM | message detail |
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I can buy Samus being as Crono's level. I always felt they were right there together. That would reduce the amount of SFF from her match with Mario as well. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/7/2006 6:22:04 PM | message detail |
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What's wrong with changing your mind? I argued Ganon > Sonic for
quite a while, but it would be stupid to continue arguing that after
evidence to the contrary appears. I've thought this forever. It was stupid when people were calling Kerry a flip-flopper in the presidential election, and it's stupid in these stats topics now. Changing your opinion on something somehow makes your opinion less valid, because looking at results, and using them to your best ability to explain other things, is obviously wrong. The only way to maintain your cred is too keep senselessly saying the same things over and over again until it completely blows up in your face apparently. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/7/2006 6:28:25 PM | message detail |
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speaking of which, Samus is underrated. --- zizzy |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/7/2006 6:28:46 PM | message detail |
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oh and Kingdom Hearts 2 isn't doing much for its characters. --- zizzy |
| Master Moltar | Posted 11/7/2006 6:30:05 PM | message detail |
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But Samus is underrated! You'll see next round! --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Samus vs. Tifa - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (88/96) |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 6:32:04 PM | message detail |
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But Samus is underrated! You'll see next round! We'll see her lose! --- "Let's face it: the princess Zelda has always been a symbol of sexual desire." |
| gonf | Posted 11/7/2006 6:32:32 PM | message detail |
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The pictures can affect a character's performance. Just look at Link in
2003, Cloud only beat him because of the WW Link pic. And there you
could actually distinguish he was Link. Today is much worse because
there are a lot of people that don't even know that blonde is Samus. --- Most wanted game: LoZ: TP |
| Master Moltar | Posted 11/7/2006 6:34:00 PM | message detail |
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The only losing that's being done next round in the female half is Zelda to Samus! --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Samus vs. Tifa - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (88/96) |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/7/2006 6:37:00 PM | message detail |
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I'm afraid Moltar is correct. Zelda will only get 66.65% on Samus, and
so it will be no better than a loss because I lose my sig bet. =/ ~~~ The one. The only. Lady Ashe. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 11/7/2006 6:40:05 PM | message detail |
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speaking of which, Samus is underrated. Which is still plenty possible looking at Yuna/Auron/Ganon this contest... I'm certainly not taking this match at face value. If Zelda gets 45% on Samus I'll totally give it up. I've already changed my view of how overrated she was from the beginning. People have this idea stuck in there head that I'm a robot about this thing, when I've cut in half how underrated I've thought Samus really was from last year. oh and Kingdom Hearts 2 isn't doing much for its characters. Certainly hasn't shown it so far this contest, unless you're talking about Riku and Sora, in which case I never denied a KH boost, just a KHF. Honestly, who's looked so fantastic this year is just simply must be KH? Samus performs better than expected on Rikku (dunno if she was in it, just naming all FF characters, as I haven't played 2), Tifa certainly doesn't overperform on Peach, Aeris looks like complete ass, Yuna looks good, but I was calling that pre-contest anyway for a different reason, same goes for Auron, Snake pounds Squall, who then pounds Tidus. Am I missing something here? I'm sorry, but when everything goes pretty much as I expected pre-contest, or even worse (Aeris), I'm not suddenly going to change my beliefs for no reason. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
