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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 418

KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:33:58 PM | message detail
Haters don't get rewarded. Don't you know that? D:

I have opinions, just as you do.

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creativename | Posted 11/7/2006 1:34:19 PM | message detail
Day-um...Tifa still going toe-to-toe.

Lots of discussion to catch up on here for me. Topic hasn't been this active in a while.

So it seems that something like 1/4 of her fans at this site either don't know Samus is a girl, or dislike her as a girl so much they don't vote for her like that (I think the former is much more likely). Obviously nobody here expected a proportion that big. This is a video game site, you'd think people would be more familiar with the character, but apparently not. One wonders what the proportion is among the general gaming populace!

Reminds me of when I said that the only good thing to come out of the female bracket might be seeing how many people nominated Samus as male (which still holds, as we could've gotten all these matches, including a Zero-Suit induced slobberknocker, in a regular bracket).

Should be lots of consistent discussion from here on out, due to the unpredictable heavyweight matches coming up.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:34:29 PM | message detail
Why do you even come to this site if you have such horrible opinions Kamikaze? Why not go to IGN or some equally credible discussion medium.

Mega Man gets 51% on Sam Fisher, eh?

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Keno316 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:35:02 PM | message detail
And that stall's over it seems...
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:35:19 PM | message detail
Show me a MM v Sam poll that states otherwise.
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With Teeth | Posted 11/7/2006 1:35:22 PM | message detail
From Tai Posted 11/7/2006 9:31:11 PM #434
.....The N9's days are numbered. D:

Hmm, I'm not sure. I'm fairly certain that Samus will get past Tifa but Zelda is the tough one to call. And we can't even use this match to gauge Smaus' strength because of the ZSF.
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creativename | Posted 11/7/2006 1:35:23 PM | message detail
Has anyone done any guesses on whether Tifa is going to have won a majority of the updates for this match?
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/7/2006 1:35:41 PM | message detail
Mega Man gets 51% on Sam Fisher, eh?

*points you to the "Don't Feed the Troll" sign*
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:35:57 PM | message detail
*points you to the "Don't Feed the Troll" sign*

But it's fun!

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 1:36:08 PM | message detail
...Okay, maybe not THAT far, but the point stands. Ganon sucks and anything that works against him, I'm for it.

Sorry, I thought you were HM, for some reason.
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:36:34 PM | message detail
There is no ZSF you abbrevoholic.

Samus is Samus. If her fanbase is so choosy that they'll take any excuse not to vote for her, that's her problem as a character, not to be put off as a "one off" factor.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/7/2006 1:36:34 PM | message detail
I really don't consider arguing with somebody who's just trying to bait you for his own kicks to be fun.
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With Teeth | Posted 11/7/2006 1:36:53 PM | message detail
From KamikazePotato Posted 11/7/2006 9:35:57 PM #459
*points you to the "Don't Feed the Troll" sign*

But it's fun!


Yeah I think it's best you don't. Just turn GameFOX on.
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:37:18 PM | message detail
I've done some calculations.
Tifa has won 79% of the updates so far, but only 73% of the update since the day vote hit.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:37:42 PM | message detail
I really don't consider arguing with somebody who's just trying to bait you for his own kicks to be fun.

It is when you don't care what the other person is saying.

Anyway, yeah, does anyone not named Criona think this is anything but ZSS/AC/KHII/FFXII?

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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 11/7/2006 1:37:52 PM | message detail
Show me a MM v Sam poll that states otherwise.

No, go away
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:38:24 PM | message detail
This is a clear case of WDF going on here.
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wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:38:40 PM | message detail
PIC FACTOR = CONFIRMED!!!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/7/2006 1:38:45 PM | message detail
It's just a colossal waste of time because he knows what he's spouting is utter bull. All he wants to do is rouse you up.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/7/2006 1:38:53 PM | message detail
Exhibit A: Only old people vote
Exhibit B: Today is Voting Day
Exhibit C: Samus is doing bad


Conclusion: Samus's fanbase is comprised mostly of senior citizens and is suffering for it
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:39:32 PM | message detail
Anyway, yeah, does anyone not named Criona think this is anything but ZSS/AC/KHII/FFXII?


*obliges*

I'd say it's a decent combination of all of them. There's no real reason for Samus to have dropped, so it's gotta be all Tifa. I think that FFXII is the biggest of the factors, and KHII is probably the smallest.
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:39:32 PM | message detail
Don't be so elitist Leonhart.
My take on statistics are just as valid as yours.....maybe more valid.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:39:45 PM | message detail
Oh, yeah. GameFOX has an ignore feature.

*uses*

Anyway, Peach is going to look like a beast in the unadjusted stats after this.

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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:40:06 PM | message detail
Stop with the nonsense. This is West Division Factor. Nothing else.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 11/7/2006 1:40:38 PM | message detail
Don't be so elitist Leonhart.
My take on statistics are just as valid as yours.....maybe more valid.


Eh, I'm sure he's got more points then you do.

And even if he doesn't, I'm #16 ranked and I say you're an idiot.
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:40:50 PM | message detail
Too bad Peach won't got into a contest ever again to use that status.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/7/2006 1:41:04 PM | message detail
*sighs and shakes head*
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:41:08 PM | message detail
I'd say it rank

ZSS
AC
KHII
FFXII

I don't think FFXII did much. It certainly didn't help Aeris.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:41:43 PM | message detail
Man, hidden messages look weird. It's so tempting to hit the Show button.

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wavedash101 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:41:59 PM | message detail
PIC FACTOR = CONFI-*is shot*

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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 11/7/2006 1:42:21 PM | message detail
It's mostly ZSSF.
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:42:21 PM | message detail
And yet if a certain upset happens, I win the Guru contest.
Don't question my credibility, boy.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:42:44 PM | message detail
FFXII didn't help Aeris because the game wasn't out when that match happened.

FFXII
ZSS
AC
KHII
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:43:36 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/7/2006 1:44:11 PM | message detail
Really? I thought it came out the day before Aeris' match. Okay then.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 1:44:15 PM | message detail
I'd say it rank

ZSS
AC
KHII
FFXII

I don't think FFXII did much. It certainly didn't help Aeris.


Normally I'd agree, but the problem of Jill makes FFXII being a factor more likely. Not a huge factor (like I said, ~2%), but still about as big as AC/KH2 combined. It's entirely possible that it did help Aeris, even if only a little.

FFXII didn't help Aeris because the game wasn't out when that match happened.

FFXII came out on the same day as Aeris/Zelda.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/7/2006 1:44:18 PM | message detail
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:44:27 PM | message detail
Nah, it was the day after.
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:44:38 PM | message detail
I'd say it ranks like this:

WDF
TJF
SFF
Blizzard vote rallying


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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 1:44:56 PM | message detail
FFXII didn't help Aeris because the game wasn't out when that match happened.

It actually was out, which is why some people doubt FFXII doing a whole lot here. But I'd rather just wait until Samus has another match before trying to figure this one out.

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creativename | Posted 11/7/2006 1:45:55 PM | message detail
I'd say it's a decent combination of all of them. There's no real reason for Samus to have dropped, so it's gotta be all Tifa. I think that FFXII is the biggest of the factors, and KHII is probably the smallest.

I highly doubt FF12 has much of anything to do with anything...tough to say for sure, but that is a *very* big stretch. Just look at vote totals. They haven't really budged by more than some thousands from earlier in the contest, and you'd expect a heavyweight match like this to get significantly more votes than earlier matches anyway. That's a puts on a pretty big kabosh on the FF12 factor.

Tifa boosting is possible. But it seems like common sense to say that the picture is killing Samus here, accounting for most of what's going on.

After all, there are two confirmed non-linearity factors we know of:
1) Fanbase overlap non-linearity
2) Picture-induced non-linearity

(most of us also have strong suspicions of Sephiroth/Ganon/Bowser VC weirdness, but there's no smoking gun for that)

We already know that unrecognizable pictures can really hurt characters badly, and that seems the obvious culprit here. Just about no one would've expected it to hurt Samus anything approaching this badly, but in retrospect it seems clear - and if we were told about this kind of result beforehand, we would've placed most of the blame on the picture too.

I think Tifa has very likely boosted a few points, but she'll probably be quite overrated in the final standings due to this match.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:45:58 PM | message detail
I'd rank it:

ZSS
KH2
FFXII
AC
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 1:46:52 PM | message detail
No, it wasn't. FFXII came out on October 31. What date do you think Zelda/Aeris happened on?
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Criona | Posted 11/7/2006 1:47:30 PM | message detail
People were too busy playing FF to go online. Thats why the votals suck.
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jayguar | Posted 11/7/2006 1:48:07 PM | message detail
I never knew Tifa would do this badly with day vote...
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:48:41 PM | message detail
My bad, for some reason I thought Aeris/Zelda happened on the 30th. O.o

Anywho, I doubt anyone was coming to the site to look up a FAQ on the very first day, but who knows.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/7/2006 1:48:53 PM | message detail
No, it wasn't. FFXII came out on October 31. What date do you think Zelda/Aeris happened on?

November 1st.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/7/2006 1:49:00 PM | message detail
(most of us also have strong suspicions of Sephiroth/Ganon/Bowser VC weirdness, but there's no smoking gun for that)

Hm, I'd forgotten about that. Female Contest overperformance is yet another factor that's helping Tifa do better today.
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 11/7/2006 1:49:02 PM | message detail
Over 100,000 with the next update...
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 11/7/2006 1:49:06 PM | message detail
MM>Samus
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