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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 415

zwong1 | Posted 11/5/2006 2:31:19 AM | message detail
If Mario was in the villian contest, i think Bowser will beat him fairly easy. I don't see how people would vote for Mario in the villian contest.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/5/2006 2:49:28 AM | message detail
Luigi did better on Kirby than Bowser, and Sonic is right now doing better on Luigi than Bowser.

Sonic winning over Crono is still possible! ^_^

Now Sonic just needs his legendary morning vote that so far just is a legend in this contest :D
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/5/2006 2:50:01 AM | message detail
Nah, Mario would still win. Bowser would probably make it closer, though, due to people voting purely on villainy as opposed to how they vote in the main contests.
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zwong1 | Posted 11/5/2006 2:55:39 AM | message detail
Maybe Mario will win over Bowser but i don't like his chances against Sephiroth. Any way, if Sonic managed to score 61% at the end of the day, i am starting to believe that Sonic may indeed defeat Crono but isn't Luigi strong with day votes too. Luigi may cut down Sonic percentage during the day.
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transience | Posted 11/5/2006 2:58:36 AM | message detail
I'm loving how the star of the contest could end up lower in the stats than last year.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/5/2006 3:00:16 AM | message detail
i am starting to believe that Sonic may indeed defeat Crono but isn't Luigi strong with day votes too. Luigi may cut down Sonic percentage during the day.

Luigi is strong, Sonic was considered as the King of the dayvote last year. Now I thnk that title belongs to Sora. >_<
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/5/2006 3:03:40 AM | message detail
Sonic is slightly ahead of what the stats predict here...and it might be a stronger Luigi. I'm still skeptical when taking anything this match, but it looks alright for Sonic. He only needs a 3500 boost to take Crono down, after all.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/5/2006 3:12:43 AM | message detail
Zylo the wolf, i am sorry but mind telling me why Sonic was considered the king of day votes last year.

Sonic VS Tifa was even closer than Sonic VS Vincent in the early hours, then Sonic took off and destroyed Tifa with the dayvote.

Sonic VS Megaman was a great match to watch. Megaman got a lead above 1000 votes, and Sonic looked like he was doomed, then the day vote came. Sonic cut down Megaman's lead with 800 votes with the dayvote, then Megaman once again started to win updates and won with a 742 votes.

Which is why Crono VS Sonic can be a helluva match to watch, Crono is usually bad with the day vote but excellent with the night vote and Sonic is usually bad with the night vote but excellent with the day vote.


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zwong1 | Posted 11/5/2006 3:15:03 AM | message detail
The third rematch between Mega Man and Snake, King of Day votes vs King of Night votes.

I am definitely looking forward to round 4 male matches.
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transience | Posted 11/5/2006 3:17:23 AM | message detail
Sonic vs Tifa wasn't closer than Sonic vs Vincent.. Sonic vs Vincent went 50/50 in the overnight hours, which is where Sonic/Tifa started. not to mention that Tifa's got a dreadful day vote while Vincent's is average-good.

Crono-Sonic will be a night/day shift, no doubt. but as I said last time, Sonic's day vote is a little overrated. it's good, but not legendary. Master Chief or a KH entity or even something good with the day vote like Tales would take it from Sonic.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2006 4:49:01 AM | message detail
It appears Sonic's day vote is somewhat overrated. From this point (7:45 EST) to the end of the match, Sonic actually lost 0.15% against Vincent. Last year, Sonic actually had a 36 vote lead at 7:45 AM Eastern against Megaman, and he lost by 742. MM took off with the school vote, and Sonic couldn't match it with the afterschool vote.
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shadow8021 | Posted 11/5/2006 6:11:39 AM | message detail
Luckily for Sonic, however, Crono sucks with the after-school and morning votes.
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True Godhand | Posted 11/5/2006 6:17:10 AM | message detail
Sonic is going to bury Crono, this match is a good indicator of it. Just take a comparison of Bowser and Luigi. Considering Luigi > Bowser and Crono couldn't even break 57 on him; not only do the x-stats (lol) give Sonic the nod, but common sense does too.
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WilhuffTarkin | Posted 11/5/2006 6:18:40 AM | message detail
As I recall, Yoshi beat Luigi and was beaten by Bowser.

So really, Bowser > Luigi.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/5/2006 6:18:44 AM | message detail
Using a constant Luigi and Crono, Sonic VS Crono will go 50/50 right now.
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voltch | Posted 11/5/2006 6:22:12 AM | message detail
luigi is making zero look really bad now.
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therealmnm | Posted 11/5/2006 6:51:02 AM | message detail
I said before that Luigi would probably end up not impressing against Sonic even though he beat Zero soundly. Everyone was so quick to put Luigi up as the next near elite. I knew it would make Zero look horrible too, but I said it would happen! Zero just bombed against the Mario Bros. Of course, everyone is probably trying to use this as "proof" that Mega Man fell off as well. I'm simply waiting on Mega Man/Snake now.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/5/2006 8:02:16 AM | message detail
Using a constant Luigi and Crono, Sonic VS Crono will go 50/50 right now.

Luigi might not be constant. WOO SONIC GO! >_>
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2006 8:02:45 AM | message detail
This match is really disappointing. Zero or Kirby woulda made it much closer >_>
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2006 8:34:33 AM | message detail
So the Luigi that beat both Zero and Kirby is possibly weaker that Luigi 2005? Ouch...

Sonic may have boosted, but I dunno. That would mean Vincent boosted through the roof (and Ganondorf goes higher too!).

Either way, good to see Luigi not performing to expectations like I hoped!
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zwong1 | Posted 11/5/2006 8:47:54 AM | message detail
I think Sonic has boosted by some this year and Vincent definitely is a monster this year.
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therealmnm | Posted 11/5/2006 8:51:49 AM | message detail
Yeah, it's looking like Luigi just worked some magic against Zero and Kirby. Sonic also has reason to slightly boost with all his games on the verge of release... but then again, Zero has absolutely no reason to drop with all the well received releases the Mega Man series had over the past year. Especially to the level Luigi is making him look. Unless Mega Man absolutely BOMBS against Snake (verifying a Mega Man series drop), or Sonic easily beats Crono... I'm just going to nod my head and smile at the x-stats this year.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/5/2006 8:55:19 AM | message detail
I decided to put some faith in Luigi after he did better on Kirby than Bowser, but I guess he didn't deserve it (or Sonic is going to beat Samus).

If this isn't a stronger Luigi, it's hard to imagine Zero being constant. If Luigi and Mario both overperformed on Zero, that means Zero's even stronger than he looks in the 2005 stats. Which means that Luigi > Zero was some pretty serious rSFF...on the character that got 44% on Mega Man.

...yeah, Zero dropped.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 11/5/2006 8:58:14 AM | message detail
Personally, I expect Sonic to beat Crono, but not with ease and Snake to beat Mega Man, but not with ease either. That way, no on really boosts or drops massively.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/5/2006 8:58:27 AM | message detail
Zero has absolutely no reason to drop

You don't need a reason to drop, you've said this yourself plenty of times before. Sonic dropped despite SA2:B, KOS-MOS dropped despite XSII, Snake dropped despite TTS, Zero dropping despite MMXC -- which didn't sell nearly as well as MMAC -- wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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therealmnm | Posted 11/5/2006 9:02:27 AM | message detail
Uhhh, did you even get my point in saying that? I said looking at this match Sonic has reason to be stronger this year, but I definitely wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't any stronger this year... just as Zero has no reason to drop this year and still ended up bombing. No need to repeat things to me! I have a good memory!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/5/2006 9:09:04 AM | message detail
Well, my point is those stats don't have to necessarily be wrong -- we all thought Zero was underrated by a decently significant margin in 2005 and he ended up looking significantly worse this year. Unless Zero just bombs against those particular characters (when he doesn't even come close against the icon from his own series!) there's not that much of a reason to doubt it. Maybe last year, but not so much this time.
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zwong1 | Posted 11/5/2006 9:09:46 AM | message detail
I just realised Snake had 68.14% of the people choosing him to be the winner of the 8 pack despite having some stiff competition.(Dante,Yoshi,Squall)

Is Snake always popular with the bracket.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/5/2006 9:32:22 AM | message detail
Hm. Luigi certainly isn't doing anything outstanding here, but he's not doing too badly either considering th stats put this one at 59.32% in favor of Sonic. I'm thinking Sonic is going to end up stronger this year than last year, Luigi will look a little stronger, and Zero will have probably dropped again (SHOCK!). Kirby's pretty self-explanatory given that he was in that Dream Division that seemed to be have been overrated by a percent and some change, maybe a bit more in Kirby's case.

Luigi's bringing the percentage down slowly right now, so hopefully he'll end over 40%.

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BDawg | Posted 11/5/2006 9:59:52 AM | message detail
Too bad it's a weekend, would've been interesting to see if the afterschool vote went Sega or Nintendo.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/5/2006 9:59:58 AM | message detail
So, people are just fine with accepting a Zero drop, but a drop from MM is impossible? WTF? Any character can drop, whether it's Cloud or CATS or anyone else. Being in the NN doesn't give any special protection.
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RydiaOfTheMist | Posted 11/5/2006 10:07:13 AM | message detail
MM= icon
Zero= icon sidekick

Thats why the drop for MM is so hard to believe. Nothing has changed this year MM has still put out nothing good just like the last 2-3 years still doesnt stop him from doing well...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/5/2006 10:08:17 AM | message detail
Zero and Mega Man aren't necessarily tied together at the hip. Zero dropped in 2005 and Mega Man seemed to do just fine. Although if you go by my stats Mega Man got a boost from MMAC in 2004, so his performance in 2005 would be a 'drop' as well. Though still not exactly comparable to Zero's.

I'm really trying hard to see a way Mega Man didn't drop this year though -- Sora = Vincent 2k5 is all kinds of wrong. I'm just saying for the sake of argument.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/5/2006 10:31:03 AM | message detail
I just realised Snake had 68.14% of the people choosing him to be the winner of the 8 pack despite having some stiff competition.(Dante,Yoshi,Squall)

Is Snake always popular with the bracket.


Snake was one of the top 5 most common champions in 2002 and 2003.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/5/2006 10:31:11 AM | message detail
I'm not saying that Zero and MM are tied at the hip. Just because the Nintendo/Zelda/Square/Sonic characters all boost/drop together doesn't mean MM characters do as well. I'm just saying that it's possible for MM to drop, which a lot of people seem to be denying.
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janembaman | Posted 11/5/2006 10:42:16 AM | message detail
I refuse to buy that Megaman declined

1.We don't know Axel.he can be a fodder and also can be a "It's a KH character! I will vote for him!" and after KHII,it's pretty much...

2.Megaman did the 2nd best on Ryu.Just because Bowser beat Ryu harder than MM it means Bowser>Megaman? if so,what does it say about Sonic,who got 55% on Ryu the year before? (yada yada major Sonic boost in 2005 yada yada)

3.Snake beat Sora harder,does this mean Snake>Megaman? I can say about the same about Megaman>Yoshi -_- and also,Sora is after KHII boost

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/5/2006 10:50:23 AM | message detail
...we've been through those arguments a thousand times by now. If Link got 59.99% on Ryu, there'd be no denying whatsoever that it would be a horrendous performance for him. An extreme example, yes, but no matter what Ryu you use Mega Man underperformed in that match.

And Sora? Well, people have a hard time believing Sora is a top 15 character now, that's all.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/5/2006 10:51:24 AM | message detail
1.We don't know Axel.he can be a fodder and also can be a "It's a KH character! I will vote for him!" and after KHII,it's pretty much...

Axel can certainly be strong...most people just don't seem him as that strong. He shouldn't be quite so close to Riku.

2.Megaman did the 2nd best on Ryu.Just because Bowser beat Ryu harder than MM it means Bowser>Megaman? if so,what does it say about Sonic,who got 55% on Ryu the year before? (yada yada major Sonic boost in 2005 yada yada)

...this is just stupid. Yes, it's possible that Ryu's back up to his prior strength, but that means crazy things for Kratos. Sonic 2k4 is weaker than Snake 2k5, so I don't see what your point is there. And finally, MM was projected to get more on Ryu in 2k4 than he did this year, which would itself be indicative of a drop on MM's part, if a smaller one.

3.Snake beat Sora harder,does this mean Snake>Megaman? I can say about the same about Megaman>Yoshi -_- and also,Sora is after KHII boost

Nobody seriously tried to argue that MM's and Snake's performances on Yoshi and Sora last year mean anything at all. The argument is that Snake made Yoshi look like a ***** in the sprite round, and MM made Sora look like Vincent...not to mention Tingle/Phoenix/Gordon.

Even with all of this, it's possible that Mega Man didn't drop. Still, I think it's a little ridiculous not to even consider it possible, don't you?
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/5/2006 10:52:53 AM | message detail
I'm one to believe that Mega Man has declined some this year too. I don't think he's suddenly going to lose to tons of near-elites and some midcarders or anything, but I think he's not looking good against Snake and I certainly wouldn't take him over Sonic again.

...Then again, after his performance against Sora, I was ready to take Vincent -- and maybe Zelda depending on where she actually ends up -- over him. It's hard to imagine that this Mega Man, who went 54/46 with Sora, went 50/50 with Sonic one year before.

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Big Bob | Posted 11/5/2006 10:59:46 AM | message detail
Damn, I really overshot today's. If Sonic hits 61 then I get the point...GO SONIC!
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/5/2006 11:02:06 AM | message detail
I agree with HM. I do think MM has fallen a bit from last year. Now whether that combined with a Snake boost will give him the edge in that match we have yet to see (Though, it's not like there is much room in between them). However, I did say during off-season that in the event of a rematch between Sonic and MM, I'd take Sonic, but that was because of random variation than an all-out MM drop.

However, I'm not so sure I would take elite characters like Zelda or Ganon over him. The only one I would even consider at this point is Vincent, and I'm very iffy on it right now.
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janembaman | Posted 11/5/2006 11:10:57 AM | message detail
Oh well...even if he did decline,it needs to be a very major decline if Snake want to win
I mean,in 2005 he beat sonic and got 49% on Crono,but in 2006 he will lose to Snake? wow
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 11/5/2006 11:13:11 AM | message detail
MM is only expected to get like 52% on Snake in 2k5. People really need to stop acting like MM was expected to get 55% or something last year.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/5/2006 11:55:19 AM | message detail
Well, I came today expecting Luigi to be making this surprisingly close or for Sonic to be winning with ease. Looks like the latter is occurring here. As much as I love Luigi, if he wasn't going to flatout win, I was hoping for Sonic to put on a good show for his showdown with Crono next round. He absolutely had to outdo what Crono did to Bowser in order to look like he had a chance, and he's doing just that. Now to see what Crono does to Auron tomorrow.

Destiny Division Stats

Mega Man – 50.00%
Sora – 45.78%
Ryu – 41.96%
Kratos – 35.99%
Gordon Freeman – 33.03%
Axel – 30.13%
Phoenix Wright – 27.61%
Tingle – 22.30%
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/5/2006 11:58:51 AM | message detail
No preliminary stats through MM/Sora, Leon?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/5/2006 12:00:03 PM | message detail
So Sora's projected to get about the same on Kratos this year as he was last year. That's nifty.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/5/2006 12:01:23 PM | message detail
Preliminary stats (assuming Sonic/Luigi ends 60/40):

Samus Aran – 41.69%
Solid Snake – 39.10%
Mega Man – 38.79%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 38.50%
Vincent Valentine – 36.89%
Sora – 35.52%
Ganondorf – 34.98%
Princess Zelda – 34.98%
Tifa Lockhart – 33.57%
Yoshi – 33.50%
Squall Leonhart – 33.16%
Dante Sparda – 33.13%
Ryu – 32.55%
Luigi – 30.80%
Aeris Gainsborough – 30.17%
Riku – 30.01%
Yuna – 29.56%
Kirby – 29.37%
Zero – 28.51%
Kratos – 27.92%
Rikku – 25.85%
Gordon Freeman – 25.62%
Axel – 23.37%
Chun-Li – 23.15%
KOS-MOS – 23.14%
Ryu Hayabusa – 23.06%
Princess Peach – 22.79%
Jill Valentine – 22.78%
Prince of Persia – 22.50%
Kairi – 21.57%
Phoenix Wright – 21.42%
Claire Redfield – 20.67%
Lara Croft – 20.58%
Tidus – 18.56%
Marle – 18.23%
Tingle – 17.33%
Sheena Fujibayashi – 17.30%
The Boss – 17.09%
Ada Wong – 16.86%
Amy Rose – 16.00%
Ivy Valentine – 15.99%
Nidoran F – 15.13%
CATS – 14.82%
Kasumi – 14.47%
Terra Branford – 14.38%
Soma Cruz – 13.96%
Celes Chere – 13.30%
Joanna Dark – 12.98%
Lenneth Valkyrie – 12.93%
Roll – 12.24%
Sarah Kerrigan – 11.88%
Cortana – 10.32%
Carmen Sandiego – 9.74%
Alyx Vance – 9.24%
Jade – 8.13%
Princess Daisy – 7.70%

Yeah, some of those numbers up at the top should give you an idea of whether Sonic's just stronger or Mega Man's just weaker this year.

Blast Division Stats

Sonic the Hedgehog – 50.00%
Vincent Valentine – 47.91%
Ganondorf – 45.43%
Luigi – 40.00%
Kirby – 38.14%
Zero – 37.03%
Prince of Persia – 29.22%
CATS – 19.25%
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/5/2006 12:03:35 PM | message detail
By the way, Yoshi/Luigi comes out almost exactly as it did in 2004 based on those numbers (with Luigi coming out about half a percent better), so basically if that proportion stayed intact, Snake is indeed looking very strong this year.

Of course, that makes you scratch your head even more about Bowser, but still.
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