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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 415

voltch | Posted 11/4/2006 11:18:01 AM | message detail
then shouldn't SFF's correct name be more like SCF? same console factor/
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2006 11:18:55 AM | message detail
No, because Same Fanbase Factor is a general term that covers anything
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 11:18:57 AM | message detail
No.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/4/2006 11:19:19 AM | message detail
Exactly what on earth would qualify as a 'bad match' in your mind? Sora turning this into a Snake/Frog-style underperformance?

I expected Sora to get about 45% on Megaman, thanks to KH2 which seems to be the OoT of the Playstation 2.

But the main thing that gives me confidence in Megaman is that if we compare Solid Snake VS Yoshi (Snake got 57.16%) and Megaman VS Ryu (58.04%). In every year (Yes even last year) Ryu has been stronger than Yoshi. (who BTW is adjusted in the stats.) Ryu is underrated this year unless you believe that Megaman would do worse on Crono than Bowser.

Of course we can blame the picture for not allowing Solid Snake to end with 60%, but that's impossible to know before his next match.

And one last thing: Yes Megaman is doing 10% worse than Solid Snake on Sora, but Solid Snake did 11% worse on Yoshi than Megaman. And if you believe that Megaman can SFF Yoshi but Snake can't SFF Sora, then you are Smurf.

It's up to you guys to believe what you want to believe, but I haven't seen Snake doing anything that makes me think he will win over Megaman after his two losses against him.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 11:19:48 AM | message detail
On the contrary, it has to do with that idea that CT overperforms with a sprite (Link/Magus, Snake/Frog...). Of course, Crono had a sprite in 2003 and he still lost. And he faced Vincent in 2005 with a sprite -- wait, OMG Devil Division underratedness???

Everybody except Sonic and Snake are so screwed.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2006 11:21:21 AM | message detail
We've never even had an accurate read on Yoshi. Every value on Yoshi was basically "made up" through his 2003 performance against Bowser back in 2003. Not only is 2003 information practically obsolete, but a match with 2 Nintendo characters isn't exactly, well... reliable.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 11:21:51 AM | message detail
In every year (Yes even last year) Ryu has been stronger than Yoshi. (who BTW is adjusted in the stats.)

He's adjusted through Laharl, and is projected to lose to Luigi with like 47% when he beat him with 54% the year before. Dante is expected to beat him with 55%. He's underrated, that was the whole point of the Dante/Yoshi hype.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2006 11:23:17 AM | message detail
Oh yeah, in 2005 they used Laharl.

Well, that's probably even worse
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BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 11/4/2006 11:24:06 AM | message detail
So I hear the Destiny Division's x-stats are gonna be wacky as hell if Sora keeps this up...

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2006 11:25:08 AM | message detail
Not if Snake kicks Megaman's ass =D
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zwong1 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:26:16 AM | message detail
If Sora keeps up with his percent, Gordon Freeman will turn from low-carder to decent mid-carder.
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SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 11:29:46 AM | message detail
Heh, SmurfFAQs must've run out of posts.

Wow, I didn't think any respectable person would stoop to karma bashing, but then I realised it was you. ^_^
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zwong1 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:30:32 AM | message detail
SmurfFAQs, what happened to your main account. Sorry for asking, i am a noob.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 11:31:23 AM | message detail
Though it feels damning just looking at them, we can't really draw anything through Gordon, Phoenix, or Tingle. Yeah, if Gordon is a linear character, Mega Man is screwed. Phoenix Wright isn't hanging with Kefka, Gordon isn't a midcarder, Tingle isn't...whatever the hell Tingle looks like. But GF has proven himself to be non-linear to me. So we're basically just looking at Sora's 2k4 value and wondering how much higher he could have gone.

Honestly, alone this match isn't worth much at all. It's just that it's also coupled with two other bad performances that throw up the warning flags.
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SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 11:31:26 AM | message detail
I have 4 Smurf accounts. Nothing happened to any of them, I just rotate between them. <_<
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SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 11:32:24 AM | message detail
If Sora was beating MM here, I'm sure you guys would claim that this is a constant MegaMan. -_-
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zwong1 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:32:46 AM | message detail
Smurf, i know you have 4 accounts but strangely every accounts of yours seem to have low karma.
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SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 11:33:24 AM | message detail
Because I've been banned multiple times. <__<
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Trueknight64 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:35:46 AM | message detail
It is certainly possible that MM has declined some, but it is also possible that Sora has increased significantly this year due to KHII. More than likely, it is a combination of the two. The real question is: how much weight do each of these two variables carry. I think the Sora increase carries more weight.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 11/4/2006 11:38:22 AM | message detail
I felt the same way on Snake/MM similar to Yoshi/Dante. Dante looked pretty good and I started questioning how much Riku could have really boosted.

Then I look at Snake/MM and I asked the same question. I consider it a toss-up right now, though. But after Yoshi/Dante, nothing is really certain when it comes to seeing if MM is really doing bad or not.
zwong1 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:38:31 AM | message detail
Sorry for asking but will the new SSBB trailer gives Snake some minor boost by the time Snake is pitted against Mega Man.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 11:41:39 AM | message detail
Well, of course this is mostly Sora boosting...Mega Man isn't going to be losing to *checks* Dante now. But any slip at all on Mega Man's part could cost him the match.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 11:43:51 AM | message detail
Then I look at Snake/MM and I asked the same question. I consider it a toss-up right now, though. But after Yoshi/Dante, nothing is really certain when it comes to seeing if MM is really doing bad or not.

Which is why I like using the proportion for Sora and Riku. All things considered, Snake and Mega Man could very well be virtually even. What I wouldn't give to see that match be a classic...
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Trueknight64 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:44:00 AM | message detail
you do make an excellent point Karma.
Let me think about that one for a bit.

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Link versus Cloud | Posted 11/4/2006 11:45:13 AM | message detail
eh? Y does anyone really care? Just wait 5 days for the match
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Trueknight64 | Posted 11/4/2006 11:54:00 AM | message detail
manly because it's just fun to discuss it and explore possibilities/explanations.

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SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 11:56:11 AM | message detail
Can we stop discussing MM/Snake and discuss a match that isn't a foregone conclusion?
Like Crono/Sonic?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 12:12:05 PM | message detail
I would love for MM/Snake to be down to the wire, and the winner to match Sonic's performance on Crono. Better yet if all 4 of them are near equal.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 11/4/2006 12:17:26 PM | message detail
I'd hate all four to be equal because they could all potentially win on the right day. :(
The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2006 12:18:23 PM | message detail
And then that winner goes on to have a 50-50 match with Samus somehow
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Xuxon | Posted 11/4/2006 12:21:15 PM | message detail
^that's the only one that's going to happen.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/4/2006 12:33:47 PM | message detail
....Do you ever stop sucking, Mega Man? Good grief. <<

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 12:37:39 PM | message detail
Either way, everything I've seen points to Snake/Mega Man being a close match, with probably a slight edge to Snake. Everyone's tentative to give him that status because he's lost twice before and hasn't come that close, but I feel he's earned it.

Honestly, except for the match with Axel, a total unknown, Mega Man has done roundabout what I've expected, while Snake has exceeded them. Not that it means anything, of course, but I just feel like that one is going to be close.

Sonic vs. Snake in the male finals for the win!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 12:37:48 PM | message detail
At this rate he'll be letting Samus break 49% on him! <_<
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/4/2006 12:39:56 PM | message detail
Wow...the denial going on in this topic is incredible. I don't think anyone seriously denies that Sora boosted, but he didn't boost to Vincent levels. At the same time, this obviously isn't all Mega Man dropping...he's not weaker than Bowser. This is clearly a combination of Mega Man dropping and Sora boosting. How far did Mega Man drop? A 2% drop is quite reasonable, IMO, and puts him right around Snake 2k5. Sora's right around Tifa, which also seems fairly reasonable to me, and Ryu's halfway between his 2k4 and 2k5 rankings.

What does this mean for Snake vs. MM? If Snake is the same strength as his 2k5 self, the match is even, but any boost on Snake's behalf gives Snake a fairly decisive advantage.
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Xuxon | Posted 11/4/2006 12:40:58 PM | message detail
At this rate he'll be letting Samus break 49% on him! <_<

Who? Mega Man? I wish -_-.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/4/2006 12:46:34 PM | message detail
At this rate he'll be letting Samus break 49% on him!

Oh yeah. What happened to the Mega Man > Samus train, huh?! =p

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 12:46:55 PM | message detail
I just realized something...If Crono and Mega Man are equal to their 2005 values, Sora gets 52.89% on Bowser.

...Something about that is all sorts of wrong. Honestly, he's projected to be at 35.27% based on 2005 Mega Man, which would basically put him below the Noble Nine and Vincent. Even Ganondorf based on 2005 Sonic would be below this Sora.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 11/4/2006 12:48:20 PM | message detail
I would have loved to see Vincent or Ganondorf in this position right now.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/4/2006 12:57:55 PM | message detail
Whenever a character shows a possiblity of breaking the noble 9, they luck out in bracket placement. Megaman this year and Snake in 2004.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 1:01:21 PM | message detail
The Mega Man > Samus bandwagon is still alive and well...at least for future years when Mega Man will actually get to face Samus!

Biggest X-Stat Upset Ever here we come!
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The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/4/2006 1:25:00 PM | message detail
Zelda > Samus is far more likely than Mega Man > Snake.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 11/4/2006 1:26:19 PM | message detail
Zelda > Samus is far more likely than Mega Man > Snake.

Really? Or is this another joke you people are playing on me again?
Nyah | Posted 11/4/2006 1:35:19 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Ashe has been joking about that for a while because that upset doesn't even have a semblance of chance. I still think MM is going to win the match with Snake b/c of the past two matches and the boosts of Riku and Sora. Everyone lost their faith in Yoshi after the Riku match but he still pulled off the win, I think this match will be similar.
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Nyah | Posted 11/4/2006 1:36:46 PM | message detail
Also big noob question but what does the F in KH2F stand for?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/4/2006 1:38:23 PM | message detail
Zelda > Samus may be a joke, but it's still far more likely than MM > Samus.
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The_Ocelot | Posted 11/4/2006 1:41:59 PM | message detail
From Nyah
Also big noob question but what does the F in KH2F stand for?

factor
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 2:31:17 PM | message detail
...This match has gotten boring since I started watching it. Not much percentage shift at all.
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 11/4/2006 2:53:51 PM | message detail
...This match has gotten boring since I started watching it. Not much percentage shift at all.

Those are the most exciting of all matches!

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 2:56:49 PM | message detail
Ah crap, Mega Man has just sealed up his match against Snake.

Sir Chris just made an account bet, and he took Mega Man.
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