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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 415
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2006 10:15:06 AM | message detail |
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There's a reason people call them "lol x-stats". Yes, yes there is: Ulti said it a record 484 times in a row all across Board 8. --- Diddy did it. Diddy did it. DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?! |
| zwong1 | Posted 11/4/2006 10:15:14 AM | message detail |
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Don't defend for me, i admit to be a noob and i am no alt. --- I am a Singaporean and I hope Snake will beat Megaman. |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:16:39 AM | message detail |
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From zwong1 Don't defend for me, i admit to be a noob and i am no alt. Sure you aren't, Smurf. ~~~ The one. The only. Lady Ashe. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 11/4/2006 10:16:43 AM | message detail |
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And I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but assuming the match
stays the same, and a constant Mega Man, what's Phoenix/Gordon/Tingle's
values? >_> Based on Sora's current % of 45.34%... Sora gets 32.24% on 2k5 Link and 35.17% on Blink. Gordon Freeman gets 23.26% on 2k5 Link and 25.38% on Blink. Phoenix Wright gets 19.44% on 2k5 Link and 21.21% on Blink. Tingle gets 15.73% on Link 2k5 and 17.16% on Blink. In other words... Sora > 2k3 Sonic Gordon Freeman > almost 3/4 of 2k2's field, and he triples his old self Phoenix Wright > Frog Tingle > Ganondorf Just for fun, using 2k2 Mega Man... Tingle gets 18.98% on Blink (Tingle = Fox!) Phoenix Wright gets 23.47% on Blink. (Wrighto > 2k5 Freeman!) Gordon gets 28.07% on Blink. (Gordon > 2k5 Leon!) Sora gest 38.91% on Blink. (Sora > 2k5 Mega Man!) --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:17:44 AM | message detail |
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From KleenexTissue50 Don't even start that crap with me. You guy always hide behind your made up "factors" when a match doesn't go exactly like the stats pan out. There's a reason people call them "lol x-stats". They aren't infallable. I'm not saying that Snake is a lock here, and I never had. But the people who are still saying he stands almost no chance are diluding themselves. Who's saying he stands no chance? And who says the x-stats aren't infallible? This isn't a made up factor to explain a slight variation in stats projections, it's a fully proven factor used to describe completely radical variations in stats predictions. How the hell do you think SFF doesn't exist with matches like Link/Ganon, Mario/Bowser, Mario/Samus and Squall/Tidus? You must not understand SFF. SFF occurs when a sizable portion of both characters fanbases overlap, and that portion overwhelmingly prefers one of the two characters. Considering Snake is a man's man while Sora is just a dum kid, it's easy to see which character was preferred in that match. TuRtLe ~~~ 55/62 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 10:18:29 AM | message detail |
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"(Sora > 2k5 Mega Man!)" You mean the one that got SFF'd to hell and back? Well, that's not all that hard. --- If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| zwong1 | Posted 11/4/2006 10:19:13 AM | message detail |
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Janus5000, you just solved our problems. Sora did improve but not to
the extent of 8-10% boost. Megaman declines so please accept it. --- I am a Singaporean and I hope Snake will beat Megaman. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 10:19:27 AM | message detail |
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You mean the one that got SFF'd to hell and back? Well, that's not all that hard. 2k5, not 2k4. Though he's using 2k2 Mega Man, so it makes sense. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 10:19:35 AM | message detail |
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"You must not understand SFF." And that's the turth. --- If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 10:20:24 AM | message detail |
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Ah, yeah. I see that now. The caffeine still hasn't kicked in. --- If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/4/2006 10:20:33 AM | message detail |
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I understand the factor perfectly, thank you very much. Link/Ganon
makes sense, because they're from the same game. Mario/Luigi? Fine! But
people in here have a nastly habit of blaming SFF on every damn match
that doesn't go as expected. If Snake beats Megs then goes on to get
wrecked by Crono, I'm sure people would blame Snake's loss on SFF too. HEADBAND SFF ZOMG!!!11! --- CB5 Points: 79/84, Current Oracle placement: 24/169 Now playing: Phoenix Wright 2, Final Fanasy XII |
| Janus5000 | Posted 11/4/2006 10:20:53 AM | message detail |
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You don't even need to use 2k2 stats to make Sora > THE KING OF GETTING SFFed! --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| therealmnm | Posted 11/4/2006 10:21:55 AM | message detail |
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This topic has gone to all hell.... --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:22:07 AM | message detail |
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If Snake beats MM and gets wrecked by Crono, it will be because of a massive, unprecedented MM drop and a constant Snake. TuRtLe ~~~ 55/62 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/4/2006 10:22:08 AM | message detail |
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If Snake/Squall was legit, where does that put Tidus? --- By the time we localize the programs, kids don’t even know they’re from Japan any more. - 4Kids CEO Al Kahn |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 10:23:14 AM | message detail |
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The please explain Link vs. Mega Man, Kleenex. Explain Snake vs.
Squall. Mega Man vs. Yoshi. Crash vs. Sephiroth (Crash increased quite
a bit in 2k3 without a new game in sight). Sephiroth vs. Liquid Snake.
Mega Man vs. Yoshi. etc, etc, etc. --- If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 10:23:15 AM | message detail |
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But seriously, Zero was projected to beat Luigi with 51.20% in 2005. He
ended up losing with 46.29% of the vote. Mega Man is projected to beat
Snake with 52.35% in 2005 -- him winning was never a 'lock'. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/4/2006 10:23:29 AM | message detail |
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If Snake beats MM and gets wrecked by Crono, it will be because of a massive, unprecedented MM drop and a constant Snake. You say that now, but I stand by the fact that Headband SFF is a legitimate factor. --- CB5 Points: 79/84, Current Oracle placement: 24/169 Now playing: Phoenix Wright 2, Final Fanasy XII |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:23:46 AM | message detail |
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Assuming a constant Snake, it would probably be below 20% TuRtLe ~~~ 55/62 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 10:25:01 AM | message detail |
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Heh. Yeah... explain MM vs Yoshi twice. :) --- If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 10:27:35 AM | message detail |
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Wow, Sora is doing very well today, though I kinda had an idea that he could potentially hit 45% here. ...But the stats topic has sucked since the match started. What happened here? --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 6: Han Solo (5-0) |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:28:22 AM | message detail |
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Hey BT, When Snake 55's MM are you then going to claim that Snake has
boosted into the realm of Clinkeroth or just accept that MM is toast? --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:28:29 AM | message detail |
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People like Smurf and his array of alts along with stat newbs justifying their "Snake > MM lock status" TuRtLe ~~~ 55/62 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:29:20 AM | message detail |
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From SmurfFAQs Hey BT, When Snake 55's MM are you then going to claim that Snake has boosted into the realm of Clinkeroth or just accept that MM is toast? If Snake wins with any more than 52%, I will concede a MM drop on the same levels as Sonic's 2k3 drop and Snake's 2k4 drop. TuRtLe ~~~ 55/62 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2006 10:30:27 AM | message detail |
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I don't think it's wrong to say there are lots of people who enjoy MGS
and KH -- between how well their characters can do and how their games
can do, and they're oftentimes on the same system...that much is
agreeable. From there, we know MGS > KH directly through the Series
Contest and we assume Solid is more liked than Sora amongst their fans,
THEN remember Solid/Sora was before KH2 and that it was arguably
Snake's best picture to date... ...suddenly, it's much more conceivable that Solid SFF'd Sora. SFF isn't always the answer, no, but it's plenty-credible here. --- Diddy did it. Diddy did it. DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?! |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:32:22 AM | message detail |
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People like Smurf and his array of alts along with stat newbs justifying their "Snake > MM lock status" I don't need alts to back up my points. <_< Their 100% legit, and might I remind you that I called Snake to win the male bracket before this contest even started. --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:33:07 AM | message detail |
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If Snake wins with any more than 52%, I will concede a MM drop on the same levels as Sonic's 2k3 drop and Snake's 2k4 drop. And if he gets 55%, you'll accept he's out of the noble 9? --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2006 10:33:13 AM | message detail |
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Oh, and unless Luigi just bombs tomorrow, I guarantee you won't see these alts around for the next match... ...if you know what I mean. --- Diddy did it. Diddy did it. DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?! |
| WilhuffTarkin | Posted 11/4/2006 10:34:12 AM | message detail |
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To be out of the Noble Nine, he would have to lose to a non Noble Niner. --- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:34:19 AM | message detail |
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Tomorrow is Sunday, therefore Luigi will bomb tomorrow. If you know what I mean. --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:34:55 AM | message detail |
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To be out of the Noble Nine, he would have to lose to a non Noble Niner. Vincent, Axel, AiAi etc... --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| WilhuffTarkin | Posted 11/4/2006 10:35:32 AM | message detail |
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He hasn't lost to any of the characters you mentioned. What's your point? --- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2006 10:35:47 AM | message detail |
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I'll have to see Mega Man be beaten or EASILY out-classed by somebody
outside of the Noble Nine before I'll ever say he's out of the Noble
Nine. Remember two years ago when Solid was outranked by both Zero and
Ryu, and everybody was calling for his head? Yeah...now you have him
winning the male bracket. I do think Mega Man will be the first to drop out of the Noble Nine, but that doesn't mean it'll be happening in the near future. --- Diddy did it. Diddy did it. DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?! |
| The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:36:55 AM | message detail |
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Zelda will place well above Mega Man in the x-stats. ~~~ The one. The only. Lady Ashe. |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:37:32 AM | message detail |
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There are scores of characters who have lost to nobody but a noble nine character. What MM has done in the past is all well and good but it's what he does now that's relevant. And if he bombs aganist Snake (Which is likely) then he's going to be below Vincent, Tifa etc. And outside the Top 9. I think of the Noble 9 as a tier instead of a status. --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| WilhuffTarkin | Posted 11/4/2006 10:38:51 AM | message detail |
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The Noble Nine isn't a tier or a status. It's a CONCEPT. The concept
being that those Nine will never lose to anyone outside of themselves.
So for anyone to be out of the Nine, they have to lose to a non-Niner.
And whnever that happens, it's not just that one characters that is
out- the entire concept is dissolved. --- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 10:39:34 AM | message detail |
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Preliminary stats through Snake/Yoshi: Samus Aran – 41.69% Solid Snake – 39.10% Princess Zelda – 34.98% Tifa Lockhart – 33.57% Yoshi – 33.50% Squall Leonhart – 33.16% Dante Sparda – 33.13% Aeris Gainsborough – 30.17% Riku – 30.01% Yuna – 29.56% Rikku – 25.85% Chun-Li – 23.15% KOS-MOS – 23.14% Ryu Hayabusa – 23.06% Princess Peach – 22.79% Jill Valentine – 22.78% Kairi – 21.57% Claire Redfield – 20.67% Lara Croft – 20.58% Tidus – 18.56% Marle – 18.23% Sheena Fujibayashi – 17.30% The Boss – 17.09% Ada Wong – 16.86% Amy Rose – 16.00% Ivy Valentine – 15.99% Nidoran F – 15.13% Kasumi – 14.47% Terra Branford – 14.38% Soma Cruz – 13.96% Celes Chere – 13.30% Joanna Dark – 12.98% Lenneth Valkyrie – 12.93% Roll – 12.24% Sarah Kerrigan – 11.88% Cortana – 10.32% Carmen Sandiego – 9.74% Alyx Vance – 9.24% Jade – 8.13% Princess Daisy – 7.70% The stats on Snake's division are rather difficult to work together without making it feel like the rest of his division is too low. *shrugs* Patriot Division Stats Solid Snake – 50.00% Yoshi – 42.84% Squall Leonhart – 42.41% Dante Sparda – 42.37% Riku – 38.38% Ryu Hayabusa – 29.49% Tidus – 23.73% Soma Cruz – 17.85% --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 6: Han Solo (5-0) |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:40:41 AM | message detail |
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The thing about Snake in 2004, is that Snake has a future. Snake can
get a new game and bounce back quickly. Like he's done the last 2 years. People like MegaMan or Crono are different. Their achievements are in the past and if they fall onto the fringes of the N9, they aren't getting back in. --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 10:41:05 AM | message detail |
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People like Smurf and his array of alts along with stat newbs justifying their "Snake > MM lock status" No, you've been pretty irritating, too. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 6: Han Solo (5-0) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2006 10:42:37 AM | message detail |
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Oh, what he does now...well, he's defeated two KH characters in the
year of KH2 -- Sora after FF12-influx, no less, if that means anything
-- and is pulling the seeding upset to the Elite Eight, not to mention
that he gave Ryu the second worst beating of his career since 2k2. I can twist things too. --- Diddy did it. Diddy did it. DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 11/4/2006 10:42:51 AM | message detail |
| I always thought most people in the stats topic would consider Sora to be an elite after KH2 and now they're acting all surprised. Or was that just Draco? |
| Yesmar | Posted 11/4/2006 10:43:11 AM | message detail |
| I still think Snake overperformed on Sora more due
to the picture than to any SFF. That is the most lopsided picture I
have ever seen in one of these contests. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 10:43:37 AM | message detail |
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Sora after FF12-influx, no less, if that means anything I was about to weep openly over this statement until I realized what you were doing. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 6: Han Solo (5-0) |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 11/4/2006 10:43:58 AM | message detail |
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"People like MegaMan or Crono are different. Their achievements are in
the past and if they fall onto the fringes of the N9, they aren't
getting back in." Explain Mario vs Crono 3. --- If this post was overly verbose, that means I tried very hard to not call you an idiot. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2006 10:44:59 AM | message detail |
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Tarkin just explained my idea of the Noble Nine nicely, I should note
(though I don't necessarily think they're unbeatable). Good job. --- Diddy did it. Diddy did it. DAMMIT! What didn't Diddy do?! |
| outback | Posted 11/4/2006 10:46:16 AM | message detail |
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Yoshi beating Squall, huh? I like it. --- I did well in SpC2k6, but not well enough to beat Z1mZum! øütßá©k *Truly Gone Fishing* |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 11/4/2006 10:46:52 AM | message detail |
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Well, the idea of the Noble Nine IS that they're unbeatable outside the
group. That's why it collapses if one loses outside the group. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 6: Han Solo (5-0) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/4/2006 10:47:02 AM | message detail |
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Hmm...there is a projection here that sort of favors Mega Man that I
found while rooting around. Consider how well Riku did on Yoshi. If
Snake = Mega Man and Sora ends at what he has right now, Riku gets
42.29% on Sora. The projection for Sora 2k4 v. Riku 2k5 has Riku with
41.70%. If that proportion maintains, Mega Man wins with 50.7% of the
vote. ...not too optimistic especially considering Riku/Yoshi was on the day of KH2's Europe release and that Snake/Yoshi was in the sprite round, but it is a win for him. Of course, holding on to that projection requires him to stop bleeding percentage pronto. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/4/2006 10:49:24 AM | message detail |
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And I think Mega Man's "massive underperformances" are more the result
of Ryu and Sora sucking it up hard last year than anything else. TuRtLe ~~~ 55/62 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| SmurfFAQs | Posted 11/4/2006 10:49:36 AM | message detail |
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not to mention that he gave Ryu the second worst beating of his career since 2k2. He almost matched Bowser. Snake is so screwed. @_@ --- President Of Board 8. (10/14/2006 onwards) |
