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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 412

trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 6:55:02 PM | message detail
Tifa's performance today is up for debate. I expected Tifa with 67%, so this isn't really anything special to me. you think Peach is stronger than anybody else, so of course it looks good from your eyes.

an argument for Aeris is that Zelda overperformed on Terra, the sprite picture clearly favours Aeris and FF12 launching the day before the match. that's really all you can say, because you have to seriously twist some numbers in order to make Aeris look like the statistical favourite.

statistical favourite doesn't mean you're going to win though. Dante was in the same position as Zelda and you saw how that turned out.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 10/31/2006 6:56:32 PM | message detail
It’s time! Up next is the most important match of the entire contest, Zelda vs. Aerith! Zelda is the lovable princess from the aptly named video game series, The Legend of Zelda. Over in the other corner of the arena is Aerith, some *spoilers* dead chick from Final Fantasy VII. These game names are really quite fitting, as you would have to be living in some sort of fantasy world in order to believe that this match will be anything but a legendary blowout in favour of our beloved princess. If Aerith fans actually existed, they most certainly would find themselves quite disappointed in the abysmal showing she will give in what will turn out to be her final GameFAQs Character Battle. But enough about how big of a blowout this match will be, let’s take a look at why exactly it will be such a blowout.

First off we have the clear favorite to win this match (and the whole contest), Zelda. In the first round of this contest, Zelda destroyed Carmen Sandiego with nearly 90% of the vote, a feat that she is aiming to repeat here on Aerith. Now, Carmen is one of the most recognizable characters in gaming, and I can see her easily breaking the fodder level at 20% on Base Link, so we’re clearly dealing with a Zelda far more powerful than we saw back in 2005. In round two, Zelda defeated a character from the undisputed best game of all time with relative ease. If Zelda can do so well against someone from the undisputed best game of all time, what is to stop her from dominating someone from the absolute worst game ever, Final Fantasy VII? Absolutely nothing, that’s what. If Zelda’s spectacular performance in the first two rounds is any judge, it should not take any thought at all to predict the outcome of this match.

On the other hand, Aerith had a pathetic first two rounds, letting Marle and KOS-MOS put up a good showing against her when she should have been able to RPG SFF them to the moon. There isn’t really anything more to say about it. They are both uber-fodder and Aerith disappointed against them to an incredible degree. Once again, if her earlier performances can be trusted, I would have to think twice before putting her over even Tanner.

Even ignoring the previous rounds, Zelda still has a huge advantage in she has undeniably received a massive boost from Twilight Princess Hype. In addition to this, Final Fantasy XII has just been released. This will increase the number of people coming to GameFAQs and voting while they are here. Aerith is easily one of the most hated characters of all time, and so Zelda should get a nice bonus from all of the Aerith anti-votes.

Due to the various factors listed above, I am confident in Zelda’s ability to get 99.99% of the vote against Aerith. However, I left one important factor out: The jp. The jp will vote for Aerith to oppose the hivemind, and his excessive gravitation pull will pull a large amount of Zelda votes towards Aerith, causing her to over perform to a ridiculous degree. As much as I know that this should be the greatest blowout ever, I can’t possibly ignore this crucial factor, which leads me to my calculated guess for this match.

My prediction? Zelda with 54.64%
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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 6:56:56 PM | message detail
also, you have to remember that 2003 was a Square year. Square characters have not looked as good since 2003, so you have to take that into account. if anything, Aeris's new stuff will stop her from the slight decline that every other Square character has been in.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/31/2006 6:57:44 PM | message detail
I don't know if I'd be willing to say Square has been in decline so much as Nintendo has been increasing.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 6:59:27 PM | message detail
can you name a Square character (prior to this year) that looked better in 2004 or 2005 than in 2003? the only thing I can think of is Crono, and he's just weird.
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creativename | Posted 10/31/2006 6:59:57 PM | message detail
you think Peach is stronger than anybody else, so of course it looks good from your eyes.

Are you talking to me? Consensus expectations for Tifa seem to be around 64%, and the Hayabusa stuff gives her about 64.5%. So yes, this is pretty good by Tifa, no question.

that's really all you can say, because you have to seriously twist some numbers in order to make Aeris look like the statistical favourite.

Actually it's pretty easy to make Aeris look like some sort of statistical favorite, but obviously she is a big underdog in reality. No point in discussing such a thing. It's just that Aeris does have some shot, it's not like it should be some massive shock if she's able to keep Zelda under 51%.

statistical favourite doesn't mean you're going to win though. Dante was in the same position as Zelda and you saw how that turned out.

Don't really know what you're saying here.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/31/2006 7:01:19 PM | message detail
can you name a Square character (prior to this year) that looked better in 2004 or 2005 than in 2003?

Kefka!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/31/2006 7:02:25 PM | message detail
Are you talking to me? Consensus expectations for Tifa seem to be around 64%, and the Hayabusa stuff gives her about 64.5%. So yes, this is pretty good by Tifa, no question.

The Crew's lowest prediction was 66%, and some were over 70%. I don't see how today's match is at all impressive for Tifa.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/31/2006 7:02:53 PM | message detail
Squall, Auron, Sora, there's not exactly a ton to choose from though, especially when you take into consideration overratedness.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 7:04:08 PM | message detail
Are you talking to me? Consensus expectations for Tifa seem to be around 64%, and the Hayabusa stuff gives her about 64.5%. So yes, this is pretty good by Tifa, no question.

yep - why would you use a constant Ryu when he looked better vs. Zero? a constant Jill gives 67% or so and Tifa should have increased in strength thanks to KH anyway. you could say that this is an okay performance, but I wouldn't call it good.

Don't really know what you're saying here.

Dante was expected to win thanks to his performance on Hayabusa (coupled with Yoshi's perceived disappointment on Riku) yet Yoshi won anyway. it's not too much different than this situation with Terra and KOS-MOS.
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creativename | Posted 10/31/2006 7:04:40 PM | message detail
The Crew's lowest prediction was 66%, and some were over 70%. I don't see how today's match is at all impressive for Tifa.

Crew expectations mean pretty much diddly squat ;)

One can't question that Tifa overperformed a bit in this match, relative to expectations. Perhaps that doesn't even mean much for Tifa, let alone Aeris, but it is what it is.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/31/2006 7:14:22 PM | message detail
Square characters that strengthed since 2K3 before this year?
Sora - between '04 and '05
Crono
Squall - maybe
Kefka - maybe a little...
Yuna

Weakened since 2K3 before this year:
Tidus
Vivi - probably
Sephiroth - maybe a little

There's not much support to say Square has gotten stronger or weaker between '03 and '05.

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 7:17:41 PM | message detail
Zelda did better on a stronger Snake than Aeris did on a weaker one. I don't see why using Snake is a good argument for Aeris supporters...

Crew expectations mean pretty much diddly squat ;)

Meh, I figured I was overshooting, but its Peach! Once I cleared my bias, I really had Tifa with a doubling (which is my oracle pick), and that isn't too far off.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/31/2006 7:32:30 PM | message detail
XS2 seemed to really hurt KOS-MOS due to its unpopularity.

I'm saying it again... A new game doesn't hurt a character unless it actually makes you like a character less. Even if Xenosaga 2 sucked ass, I doubt it made people like KOS-MOS less. It's still KOS-MOS (unless she had a bad role in the game? I haven't played it). This still is a character contest. The only way I see a character dropping after a new release is if said game makes you like the character less, at least for that particular game if it gives you a reason to anti-vote that character.
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BeTheMan | Posted 10/31/2006 7:33:13 PM | message detail
There is one (admittedly weak) argument you could make for Aeris using her match with 2k2 Snake. Even though Snake is likely stronger today than he was back in 2002, that didn't stop Squall from gaining 8% on him between then and now. Aeris has had slightly more exposure than Squall since 2k2 thanks to Advent Children, and she would only have to improve on her 2k2 number by 2% to match what Zelda did against Snake last year...and if you believe that the Squall's and Aerith's of the world get SFF'd by Snake, then Aeris wouldn't even need to budge that much to be on equal footing with Zelda.

I realize it's a flawed argument, and I expect Zelda to win tomorrow...but it's something.
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Garsha_III | Posted 10/31/2006 7:45:10 PM | message detail
There's also the fact that Vincent beat Ganondorf. That would favor Aeris.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/31/2006 7:46:12 PM | message detail
There's also the fact that Vincent beat Ganondorf. That would favor Aeris.

Link beat Sephiroth, so that means that Mario should too!!
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/31/2006 8:10:54 PM | message detail
Hell, that means Ganon would too.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 8:15:36 PM | message detail
Triforce Division: Round 3 - Match 51 – (1)Princess Zelda vs. (2)Aeris Gainsborough

Moltar’s Analysis

Zelda
Round 1 – 86.08% vs. Carmen (13.92%)
Round 2 – 79.45% vs. Terra (20.55%)

Zelda puts up some scary numbers on Terra.

Aeris
Round 1 – 69.78% vs. Marle (30.22%)
Round 2 – 61.65% vs. KOS-MOS (38.35%)

Aeris does decently on KOS-MOS.

Hey, a match in the female bracket that’s actually important! Time to pay attention to this one! Zelda or Aeris? Let’s rock!

Before the Contest, this match didn’t get much talk. Many people went with Zelda, reasoning being either TP or 46% on the strongest Snake yet, and called it a match. There have been some Aeris supporters, who may have had arguments before the Contest with KH2 and AC and stuffs, but now?

Eh…let’s just say Aeris hasn’t looked too hot. 70% on some CT character is alright, I guess, and what she got on KOS-MOS doesn’t really look good no matter how you spin it…but does this mean that Aeris didn’t benefit much, or even at all from KH2? Hard to say.

Zelda, on the other hand, has been very impressive as usual. Yeah, her opponents were total fodder, but the numbers are still impressive. I mean, I didn’t think Zelda was in much trouble here before the Contest, and I don’t feel any worse now.

…Yeah, that’s the best Round 3 has to offer us. LoZ vs. FF7…and it won’t even be all that good. Stupid matches that are close but not close enough to be interesting. FFXII may help keep Aeris in the game, but I’m expecting Zelda to be looking better than ever.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Zelda will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Zelda: 54% - Aeris: 46%



Ulti’s Analysis

This WAS debatable match until last round happened. Zelda goes berserk on Terra, while Aeris struggles to break 60% on a cult RPG icon in KOS-MOS. Xenosaga 3 didn't move KOS-MOS anywhere, and any fan of the game will tell you that. Aeris just bombed, plain and simple. What was a debatable match has the potential to start a Zelda > Samus bandwagon.

Honestly, Aeris might be thankful just to break 45%, and I seriously wouldn't be shocked to see Zelda break 60 here. Vincent > Tifa > Aeris comfirmed!

Prediction: Zelda with 57.46%



HM’s Analysis

Zelda

Previous Matches:

Zelda – 86.08% -- 102,509

Carmen Sandiego – 13.92% -- 16,578

Zelda – 79.45% -- 92,826

Terra Branford – 20.55% -- 24,005


Aeris Gainsborough

Previous Matches:

Aeris Gainsborough – 69.78% -- 80,305

Marle – 30.22% -- 34,779

Aeris Gainsborough – 61.65% -- 70,006

KOS-MOS – 38.35% -- 43,543

The match of the female bracket is finally here! …But it’s not going to be nearly as exciting as some people were thinking pre-contest! Since the start of the contest, Zelda has come out looking absolutely dominative against both of her opponents. She scored the highest blowout in round 1 and also is still the only character to ever get 100,000 individual votes. She came out strong in round 2, too, with about a 7% overperformance on Square’s own Terra Branford. Needless to say, she’s looked good enough to take the entire bracket, but we just give the crown to Hyrule’s lovely princess just yet!
Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 8:16:05 PM | message detail
Zelda’s competition, however, has not looked good at all. Aeris came out with what was considered an underperformance by failing to break 70% on Marle. She then went on to undershoot all of her 2003 projections on all of KOS-MOS’s values, from 2003 – 2005. It’s pretty clear to me that Aeris’s best case scenario is to be equal to her old value, much less increase. In all likelihood, and this wouldn’t be surprising, Aeris might end up back at her old 2002 value. The fact that she gained a minor 2% in the year that Square was at their absolute finest -- AKA, “Square shift” – it should speak well about her now.

There’s also the fact that Aeris has not made another appearance in the bracket in three years. Even after CJayC dropped the company cap, she still was not able to make it. The fact that it took her until there was a guaranteed spot for 32 females speaks wonders, I think. Aeris 2k3 just isn’t the Aeris now. And this isn’t relying on Aeris weakness to win because Zelda was already expected to beat her with about 51% in 2005 (and I expect Zelda to have boosted a bit), when using Aeris 2k3.

I expect this match to go in favor of Zelda with absolute ease. I don’t think we’re going to see her struggle here. I have a feeling that Zelda will put up some pretty dominant numbers to go along with her other performances. Can she beat Samus? We can hope! But as for now, she can just assume her role as the “Square Killer” for this contest (Terra, Aeris, and Yuna)!

Oh, and by the time this is posted and you’re reading, as well as by the time the match starts, there should be a brand-new Twilight Princess trailer out, along with detailed impressions from the final version from tons of media outlets. Why does do, aside from the obvious? It certainly helps that Zelda is finally shown in-game casting a badass spell !!

Aitch Emm’s Bracket: Zelda

Aitch Emm’s Prediction: Zelda – 55% ; Aeris Gainsborough – 45%

Aitch Emm’s Vote: Zelda!



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Unless Chun-Li brings in her A+++ game out of nowhere, this is probably the only third round match with any potential. Such a shame, huh?

Going by both their first two matches, there's no question who's heading into this match as the favorite. While Aeris has failed to impress on two separate occasions, Zelda has been one of, if not the most impressive entrants in either half of the bracket. She had one of the most legendary performances in Character Battle history against Carmen Sandiego, becoming the first character to ever break 100,000 individual votes, and the first non-Noble 9 character to win with over 85% of the vote.

Of course, obliterating fodder and beating legitimately strong characters are far from one in the same. Even though Aeris has not matched Zelda's level of utter dominance, she's still a character with a very impressive two-year contest history under her belt. She has broken 43% against Solid Snake, 47% against Sonic the Hedgehog, and doubled Sora via some wicked SFF. Don't get me wrong - I still expect Zelda to win this match without much trouble, but I would be surprised if Aeris weren't to put up a respectable performance, and I'd be completely shocked if Zelda approached 60% like I've been seeing some people toss around.

My prediction: Zelda def. Aeris Gainsborough (54-46)
Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 8:16:49 PM | message detail
Lopen’s Analysis

When the bracket was first released, I thought this match deserved way more debate than it received. Well, I can't deny Zelda's looking more the favorite coming into this match. But her little fodder smashing tricks aren't what are convincing me in this one. In fact, the main reason I think Zelda's looking to be the favorite is more because of Aeris. Aeris just hasn't been doing too well. I expected more on Marle, and although I made a BOLD PREDICTION that Aeris would do worse than Ryu against KOS-MOS (unfortunately not here!), you can't say that's a good thing for Aeris's chances!

But killing fodder is just killing fodder. Zelda getting 83% on Carmen Sandiego and 79% on Terra isn't impressing me much. Fishy stuff just happens sometimes, look at that crazy stuff Samus pulled in 2004. 80% on Lara Croft and Sam Fisher? "She's beatin' Cloud!", they said! Tifa did it last year against Vyse too, it didn't matter It's in the victories against opponents that are worth their salt that you find true knowledge!

Even if Zelda gets 60% on Aeris, I'm not sounding the Zelda/Samus upset alarms, though I'm sure most everybody else will be. If it happens, I'm blaming Aeris. But… I don't think it will happen. This match is still debatable if you ask me. Even with the 61% on KOS-MOS,

Lopen's Prediction: Zelda with 52.01%.



KH’s Analysis

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Zelda

Summer 2003 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 19th Place [30.29%]

Summer 2005 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 14th Place [30.89%]

Zelda beats Terra worse than Mario's expected to, after the Devil Division all but validated itself and Terra/Kerrigan went exactly to expectations. Ouch.

Aeris Gainsborough

Summer 2002 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 12th Place [30.62%]

Summer 2003 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 15th Place [32.81%]

Instead of overperforming like I half-anticipated, Aeris underperforms immensely against KOS-MOS, and that's not something you can afford to do when your opponent looks like Mario. Double OUCH.

Notable Releases Since Last Appearance

Zelda: N/A
Aeris Gainsborough: Kingdom Hearts II (PS2)

Upcoming Releases

Zelda: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (WII)
Aeris Gainsborough: Final Fantasy XII (aw yeah)

Hey, funny story guys. I just checked my bracket last night out of boredom, and apparently I have Zelda winning this match (and Yuna winning her match, and Zero winning his fourpack making my stressing out over Kirby winning pseudo-ironic). Now, aside from the fact that I'm not particularly sure when I changed my bracket in a drunken stupor or whether I even still have Cloud > Link, this actually makes me a ton more relieved, and it's easy to see why. Zelda is just simply flat-out stronger than Aeris here today, and I'm 99% sure of it. Hey, them's the breaks, but between being freaking Zelda and just being that much more impressive, to call her anything but the favorite would be an insult.

Karma Hunter's Vote: Aeris. Because even though somehow this hurts my bracket, I can't bring myself to vote for Zelda. Well, maybe against Ganondorf...no, not even then.

Upset Prediction: Zelda with 53.47%

Yup.

Upset Potential: 40%

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However, apparently my conscious hasn't caught up to my subconscious, because I'm still putting my chips in with Aeris (well, my Crew/Oracle chips at least). If Zelda and Aeris are near-equals I see Aeris taking this match without too much of a problem, and we all know the reason why I think this—Final Fantasy XII.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 8:17:15 PM | message detail
There are some that say FFXII will have a negligble or minimal effect. To be frank, these people are fooling themselves. If Aeris doesn't win this match, she will be overrated in the stats. Period. I don't care if she ends up with 49% or 45% or 40%, she would have gotten less if FFXII hadn't come out on the day of her match.

FFXII will definitely bring an influx of people here for the FAQs, and the people that it brings will favor Aeris. The fact that she is not in the game is irrelevant. These are people coming on to GameFAQs looking for FAQs for a Final Fantasy game. Do you think there is perhaps a slight chance that these people will prefer Aeris more than the people here for Zelda FAQs or Mortal Kombat FAQs? I for one, don't see how you can deny it. If the voting were confined just to the people that came here for FFXII FAQs, it would definitely be more in Aeris' favor compared to the general GameFAQs population. This is common sense, here, and for chrissakes we've seen it once before.

Now, does that mean that the group will prefer Aeris unanimously? Hell no, that's just as absurd as to say it would have no effect at all, and if it did I'd be calling Aeris a mortal lock despite everything that we've seen right here. There's no guarantee that it will outright prefer Aeris -- that is to say, if Zelda wins 56-44, the FFXII influx favors Zelda 51-49. It favors Aeris more than the overall population, but still prefers Zelda.

This much seems to be obvious. But at the end of the day Aeris has to be close enough for it to make a difference, and I really think that she is despite everything we've seen this year. I'm getting a really big Snake/Bowser vibe from this match, where after Snake looked unbeatably dominating and Bowser looked terribly unimpressive they had one of the closest matches in contest history. I don't think Zelda is at Mario level, and honestly I don't think she's much stronger than her 2k5 self, if at all. Ganondorf didn't give me reason to fear, at least. And while Aeris underperformed, I have a hard time seeing her just getting blown out. She's still Final Fantasy VII, and I'm not used to seeing weakness come out of that game.

Yeah, Bowser had a picture advantage. But y'know what, Aeris' pic advantage over Zelda today ain't too shabby either. And hopefully FFXII can bring in enough outside support to push her over the edge.

Or not, seeing as how that would apparently kill my bracket. And it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence when I realize this is probably the longest writeup I've done (Ulti's Halo/Starcraft is the exception, not the rule). But you get what I mean!

Karma Hunter's Krazy Prediction: Aeris with 50.57%



Guest’s Analysis - BlAcK TuRtLe

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Last round, Zelda impresses greatly by beating the crap out of Terra worse than Vincent was projected to while Aeris disappointed against KOS-MOS by performing worse than Luigi did last year.

This is pretty much the only match left on the female side which has had any real debate behind it, since Zelda and Tifa were extremely close in last year's stats. People are assuming that Aeris is roughly at the same strength as Tifa, despite her 2 year absence in 2k4 and 2k5 and Tifa getting a 1 seed to Aeris' 2-seed.

So far in this contest, all signs have been pointing to a Zelda win. Zelda has been looking extremely impressive with her record setting blowout of Carmen Sandiego and absolute destruction of Terra. It's safe to say that this year, Zelda is geared up and ready for action.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 8:18:11 PM | message detail
Aeris on the other hand is coming off a "meh" performance against Marle and her absolute ball-drop against KOS-MOS. Aeris failed to match Luigi's performance on 2k5 KOS-MOS by 5%. The same Luigi that went on to lose comfortably to Tifa. I think it's safe to say that Aeris is considerably weaker than her well-endowed cast-mate, so it seems as though Zelda has this match pretty much in the bag. How much in the bag is the real question.

Last year's x-stats have Tifa and Zelda pretty much equal. Since KOS-MOS performed 5% better on Aeris than she did Luigi, it would be safe to assume that Aeris is probably around Luigi's 2k5 level after you factor in the fact that KOS-MOS had a new game about 3 weeks before her match against Aeris.

Running Zelda against Luigi last year gives us:

Zelda (2005c) VS Luigi (2005c)

Zelda has a strength of 33.71.
Luigi has a strength of 31.32.

Zelda wins with 53.54% of the vote!
A win of 7,248 with 102,228 total votes cast.


Plug in the fact that Zelda seems stronger this year, along with the fact that Luigi did considerably better and Zelda winning with 55% is a good place to start. Factor in any increase from TP coming out in 3 weeks cancelling out any boost Aeris gets from FF12 traffic and you get my prediction of:

TuRtLe's Prediction: Zelda with 56.23%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Zelda
TuRtLe's Vote: Zelda



Crew Consensus: Other than KH, the Crew agrees upon a Zelda win. From the low 50's to the mid-high 50's, where will Zelda land?!
FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/31/2006 8:19:10 PM | message detail
I just thought of an interesting Fact or Fiction that I wonder if anyone else posted before:

FACT or FICTION: Zelda/Samus is closer than Zelda/Aeris.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/31/2006 8:20:23 PM | message detail
Honestly, Aeris might be thankful just to break 45%, and I seriously wouldn't be shocked to see Zelda break 60 here.

If Zelda ever beats any playable FF7 character not named Cait Sith or Barret worse than she beat Vivi, especially Aeris, then Zelda's suddenly capable of hanging with or beating Samus.

I will **** a brick when I see that.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 8:20:38 PM | message detail
I pray that Heroic Mario is the only person that would take that bet.
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From FastFalcon05
I just thought of an interesting Fact or Fiction that I wonder if anyone else posted before:

FACT or FICTION: Zelda/Samus is closer than Zelda/Aeris.


Fiction. Zelda will quintuple Samus.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/31/2006 8:21:40 PM | message detail
I'll go with FICTION -- I have some confidence that Samus > Zelda > Aeris, but I don't think the size of the gaps wouldn't fit like that.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/31/2006 8:21:41 PM | message detail
Oh mercy, this topic has been quite funny while I was gone !!

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/31/2006 8:25:27 PM | message detail
I sort of agree, but I felt it was worth bringing up. If we get another superdominant performance from Zelda tomorrow, I'd be even less sure.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2006 8:28:50 PM | message detail
I really wish Aeris and Tifa had been switched, just so we could watch Zelda and Tifa go toe to toe while Aeris get's absolutely destroyed by Smaus

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/31/2006 8:29:53 PM | message detail
Well, after being snubbed for two years, Aeris deserved legitimate competition, not a useless beating at the hands of Samus.
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cyko | Posted 10/31/2006 8:32:24 PM | message detail
personally, i think that Zelda will perform about as well on Zelda as Luigi did on Tifa; simply because i do believe that KOS-MOS has jumped up since last year. even if KOS-MOS and Zelda are both at the same point as last year though, Zelda is still only expected to win with 58.8%, so i really don't see Zelda breaking 60% in this match. well, after the board vote, anyways.

btw - FFXII already feels epic! and i've only played it for thirty minutes! ^_^


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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 8:35:36 PM | message detail
yeah, everyone should be reminded that this is nintendo vs. ff7 here. you saw what happened yesterday and no one sans Ulti gives a damn about Peach. add in all the Zelda bracket votes and this is going to look ugly when it starts - if it's in any way close, I'll be really scared for Zelda's chances.

not that it'll stop anyone from saying the match is over, but whatever.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/31/2006 8:40:41 PM | message detail
I really wish Aeris and Tifa had been switched, just so we could watch Zelda and Tifa go toe to toe while Aeris get's absolutely destroyed by Smaus

Just switching Yuna's division with Tifa's would have a far more interesting effect.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/31/2006 8:45:47 PM | message detail
Match LI: (1) Zelda vs. (2) Aeris Gainsborough

Previous Matches

Zelda
Defeated Carmen Sandiego, 86.08% - 13.92%
Defeated Terra Branford, 79.45% - 20.55%

Aeris Gainsborough
Defeated Marle, 69.78% - 30.22%
Defeated KOS-MOS, 61.65% - 38.35%

Analysis:

Zelda shows her strength again by beating Terra than what most people thought and making it look like she has a chance against Samus. Aeris’ performance on the other hand was terrible, even if KOS-MOS went back to her strength she still did worse than what Ryu did to her. 2-0 Zelda going into this match and Aeris needs all the factors to be able to win this one.

Welcome to the only interesting match of the round and the first that will either make or break your bracket. This match isn’t only worth 4 points, but 12 points since the winner of this match will most likely win the next match as well. Both of these characters started off having split backing by the board, but now Zelda has become the heavy favorite. Aeris still does have a chance at winning, but it is right to think that Zelda is the favorite at taking the match.

First let’s talk about their previous matches. I think Zelda overperformed in that match because of FFF, it’s not a term used very often, but it is when a fodder character performs very different against different opponents. Like in this match FFVI fans would be more likely to vote against Terra when the opponent is Zelda rather than Dante. Anyways I find that the percent not to be legit. As for Aeris’ crappy performance against KOS-MOS the only thing I can see is that KOS-MOS was underrated last year by Luigi, which is unlikely because Ryu also dropped by the same amount, but he did better than expected against Mega Man so is it possible for two characters on opposite sides of the bracket be underrated by two Mario characters? If it is then Aeris may have a better chance than what most people are giving her, but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Next we have new and near releases. For Zelda she has TP coming out in a few weeks which is the game everyone is waiting to get, will hype seal her the win tomorrow? I’m not a big fan on hype giving much strength unless it is from a big game like this one, but the only problem is I think Zelda already got her hype boost last year just like Link didn’t gain for 2k4 - 2k5. She may get a little something, but don’t expect her to crush Aeris because of it. As for Aeris she has FFXII being released on the day before the match. You’re probably wondering on how that will help her since she’s not even in the game, but if the release of FFXII would bring in FF fans to GameFAQs that normally wouldn’t go then they would see the poll and if that FF fan were to play FFVII then they would probably vote for Aeris. That may sound like a stretch, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Aeris get a little boost from that.

Like I said this match will break and make brackets and the winner of this match will most likely win against the winner of Yuna/Chun Li (more likely Yuna). If Aeris is able to keep up with Zelda during the Nintendo Power Hour then I think she would have a good chance at winning the match. All in all I’m just hoping for some kind of a close match or we’ll be bored for the next week.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Aeris Gainsborough over Zelda

charmander6000’s Prediction: Aeris wins, 50.30% - 49.70%

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Lady Ashe | Posted 10/31/2006 8:48:31 PM | message detail
Who would win each match in this Hypothetical Elite Eight/Tournament of Champions for next year.

We are assuming that Mega Man is the new character in SSBB, Twilight Princess has a huge increase in story/character development from the previous games, Chrono Trigger is out on VC, and Super Mario Galaxy/MP3 are out.

Zelda vs. Vincent.

Mega Man vs. Sonic.

Ganondorf vs. Samus.

Snake vs. Bowser.

ToC

Link vs. Nobody.

Crono vs. Sephiroth.

Mario vs. Main Bracket Winner.

Cloud vs. Nobody.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/31/2006 8:49:37 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess has a huge increase in story/character development from the previous games,

This has been confirmed !!

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/31/2006 8:51:11 PM | message detail
even if KOS-MOS and Zelda are both at the same point as last year though, Zelda is still only expected to win with 58.8%,

...Wait, what? Zelda 2k5 is expected to get 68.4% on KOS-MOS 2k5...unless I read what you were saying wrong.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 8:52:39 PM | message detail
hmm... Tifa with 55% of the brackets, I guess.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 10/31/2006 8:53:08 PM | message detail
From MyWorldIsZelda
Twilight Princess has a huge increase in story/character development from the previous games,

This has been confirmed !!


Yeah, but not everybody saw your topic so I posted it here for anyone who might ignore that fact.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 9:00:16 PM | message detail
Zelda 33.33% 2
Aeris Gainsborough 66.67% 4
TOTAL VOTES 6

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2006 9:00:28 PM | message detail
Zelda 61.11% 11
Aeris Gainsborough 38.89% 7
TOTAL VOTES 18
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 9:01:05 PM | message detail
61.21% for Tifa, and Zelda off to a good start.
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Zelda vs. Aeris - Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (64/72)
trannyscience | Posted 10/31/2006 9:01:18 PM | message detail
nothing unexpected thus far... I actually expected Zelda to have a bigger lead, if anything.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2006 9:03:08 PM | message detail
Just switching Yuna's division with Tifa's would have a far more interesting effect.

But then we don't get to see Aeris get viciously destroyed like the useless whore she is >_<

TuRtLe
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/31/2006 9:03:35 PM | message detail
You expect too much Tran! This is good enough!
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Zelda vs. Aeris - Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (64/72)
Draco1214 | Posted 10/31/2006 9:03:49 PM | message detail
VIVI > AERIS!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2006 9:03:49 PM | message detail
And a good start for Zelda. Expect Aeris to close it up through the night before Zelda goes ape **** in the day.

TuRtLe
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/31/2006 9:04:03 PM | message detail
Hot damn! Zelda's already sporting a nice ~250 vote lead!

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