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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/27/2006 8:21:27 PM | message detail
When did Bowser get good with the board vote?



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*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
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Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
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NGamer64's Archive Site and (lol) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language):
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http://thengamer.com/stats

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Big Bob | Posted 10/27/2006 8:25:22 PM | message detail
Crono was losing to Falcon in the first second as well. I imagine Auron and Sonic doing it too.
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SensiShadeSlaye | Posted 10/27/2006 8:25:49 PM | message detail
Ulti, your sites are STILL broke.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/27/2006 8:39:53 PM | message detail
Go Crono!
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/27/2006 8:41:58 PM | message detail
When did Bowser get good with the board vote?

Since he is an earthquake in a can and lightning in a bottle!

Srsly Bowser is one of the most enjoyable characters in gaming in the Mario RPGs...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/27/2006 8:44:46 PM | message detail
Zelda > smaus!

TuRtLe
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The_Lady_Ashe | Posted 10/27/2006 8:46:02 PM | message detail
Zelda > Samus indeed. Now it is time for us Crazy Canadians to get to bed.
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Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 8:46:44 PM | message detail
When did Bowser get good with the board vote?

Sephiroth.

Watch out, Samus! Sir Crono Smith is gunning for you! He is obviously stronger than Sephiroth now!
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As you wish.
Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 9:36:07 PM | message detail
Crono > Sephiroth
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As you wish.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/27/2006 9:36:10 PM | message detail
Bump.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/27/2006 9:36:26 PM | message detail
DAMMIT leon

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zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:36:31 PM | message detail
I once believed that Snake can win this year contest. Now, i just hoped he can break 48% on Crono this year.

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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
XxSoulxX | Posted 10/27/2006 9:37:18 PM | message detail
Sonic > Crono is still going to happen.
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Why the hell did I bet against a character as deep, awesome and badass as Lara Croft, instead favouring a character from something as lame as HL2? Forgive me, XIII.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:37:42 PM | message detail
Whenever I see zwong I think of the sound a spring would make when you stretch it out really far.

ZWOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:37:42 PM | message detail
Even Sir Crono knows the truth about his namesake!

But, uh... yeah, not bad for Crono so far. Bowser should go ape (not Donkey Kong, mind you, just ape) on him when day breaks, though.
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zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:38:02 PM | message detail
XxSoulxX, you must be a very big Sonic fans.

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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
MyWorldIsTerra | Posted 10/27/2006 9:38:19 PM | message detail
Crono > Sonic

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/27/2006 9:38:49 PM | message detail
I can get behind Sonic > Crono!

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zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:38:55 PM | message detail
KleenexTissue50, yeah whatever.

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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
transience | Posted 10/27/2006 9:39:52 PM | message detail
oh man, I argued 60% for Bowser earlier.. but actually seeing it, it almost feels surreal. I have a ton of thoughts that are conflicting each other here, so I'm gonna have to take a few minutes and think about this one.

Ganon > Bowser confirmed! and CF actually looks pretty good!
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Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 9:40:25 PM | message detail
Compared to other Nintendo characters, Bowser's day vote isn't that great. Luigi beat down Kirby with it, while Bowser did pretty much nothing with it against him.
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As you wish.
Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/27/2006 9:40:43 PM | message detail
I just realized.. if Bowser is this overrated.... poor Chun Li =(

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Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 9:41:10 PM | message detail
Ganon > Bowser confirmed! and CF actually looks pretty good!

Psh, more like Bowser = Ganondorf means Crono > Samus confirmed!
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As you wish.
XxSoulxX | Posted 10/27/2006 9:41:15 PM | message detail
Poor Alyx Vance! ;_;
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Why the hell did I bet against a character as deep, awesome and badass as Lara Croft, instead favouring a character from something as lame as HL2? Forgive me, XIII.
Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/27/2006 9:44:00 PM | message detail
So...

Vincent > Squall > Ganondorf > Bowser


Are you ready to put Zelda since Zero got busted completely this year?


KB
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/27/2006 9:45:07 PM | message detail
Squall > Ganondorf

That's hardly a confirmed item right there.

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"Let's face it: the princess Zelda has always been a symbol of sexual desire."
zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:47:01 PM | message detail
Until now, i can still remember the Squall Army.
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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
transience | Posted 10/27/2006 9:48:57 PM | message detail
hmm, thoughts:

Ganondorf is expected to get 44% on Crono assuming a constant Crono and Sonic. Crono's going to end up about 3% higher than that.

Luigi = Bowser = Yoshi? seems possible given this match:

Dante (2005c) VS Crono (2005c)

Dante has a strength of 32.73.
Crono has a strength of 39.87.

Crono wins with 58.95% of the vote!
A win of 16,009 with 89,394 total votes cast.

Yoshi beat Dante so he's expected to do slightly than this, but close enough for me. if this is true, Luigi gets about 43% on Sonic assuming no weird proxies/SFF/whatever.

the other possibility is a Crono boost. it helps fix some potential problems (what the hell happened to Ryu?!), but creates others (Luigi at ~35%? Leon being as strong as he looked?) no matter how you look at it, this is very impressive by Crono - maybe the star of the round if you believe Bowser's even close to his 2k5 value.

another idea I threw around last year but don't know what to make of is that Crono just performs well against Mario characters for some reason. maybe it's just because he continues to amaze me with his popularity on this site. I dunno.

darn you xstats

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/27/2006 9:50:01 PM | message detail
Squall > Ganondorf seems clear to me seeing how he did better on Vincent even before all the boosts.
Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/27/2006 9:50:03 PM | message detail
That's hardly a confirmed item right there.

There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that he is.

Then again I am not sure Ganon would beat Bowser.


KB
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 9:50:34 PM | message detail
oh and Master Chief = Bowser confirmed
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xyzzy
transience | Posted 10/27/2006 9:50:43 PM | message detail
which means Sub-Zero's kicking Bowser's ass next year.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:51:40 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero > Mega Man confirmed!
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"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4
zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:53:14 PM | message detail
Pheonix Wright>Nirodan F confirmed.
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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
RPGuy96 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:53:41 PM | message detail
Luigi being at 35% on BL is hardly a problem!
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KingBartz | Posted 10/27/2006 9:55:29 PM | message detail
Can anybody explain this "Ultimate Loser" thing to me? I'm somewhat confused.

Oh, and lol bowser.
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That was too close. You were almost a Jill sandwich.
SC2k6: 52/58 Today's pick: Luigi
Janus5000 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:56:58 PM | message detail
The ultimate loser is the guy who loses to someone who loses in the next round to someone who loses in the next round to someone who loses in the next round etc. who loses to someone who loses to Link.
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"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/27/2006 9:57:00 PM | message detail
The ultimate loser is the entrant whose loss started a string of losses all the way up to the final match.

Example:

Final Fantasy lost to Zelda
Mario lost to Final Fantasy
Smash lost to Mario
Sonic lost to Smash
Devil May Cry lost to Sonic

Therefore, Devil May Cry was the ultimate loser of the Series Contest.
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KingBartz | Posted 10/27/2006 9:59:03 PM | message detail
It's taking a while to get my head around that, but thanks. ^_^

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That was too close. You were almost a Jill sandwich.
SC2k6: 54/60 Today's pick: Crono
RPGuy96 | Posted 10/27/2006 10:00:54 PM | message detail
And I still want to know where that picture of Bowser came from.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/27/2006 10:01:45 PM | message detail
Squall > Ganondorf seems clear to me seeing how he did better on Vincent even before all the boosts.

We don't really have any indication of how much Squall boosted from Kingdom Hearts II. You can give him a percent boost to be safe (33.22%), but if Sonic is equal to Crono that actually puts Ganon a smidge ahead before TP. So, again, it's not something we can say for certain yet.

Then again I am not sure Ganon would beat Bowser.

I'm not sure why Ganon would lose to Bowser. From everything we're seeing, Ganon looks much stronger already before TP even gets here.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/27/2006 10:01:56 PM | message detail
Nevermind. Mario Kart DS.
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Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 10:05:46 PM | message detail
Crono's still not slowing down here. 61% and climbing.
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As you wish.
Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 10:09:14 PM | message detail
Speaking of which, that was his biggest update yet, 66.89%.
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As you wish.
transience | Posted 10/27/2006 10:12:16 PM | message detail
man, if this is the Nintendo hour wearing off -- oh, man.
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Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/27/2006 10:16:14 PM | message detail
We don't really have any indication of how much Squall boosted from Kingdom Hearts II. You can give him a percent boost to be safe (33.22%), but if Sonic is equal to Crono that actually puts Ganon a smidge ahead before TP. So, again, it's not something we can say for certain yet.

That is a big if.

Squalls match against Vince, is the best pure evidence to suggest Squall would win. No denying it would close but his numbers against Vince and Knuckles are as clean of a read you are going to get on Squall and if they are accurate, Squall > Ganon at least right now.

I'm not sure why Ganon would lose to Bowser.

SFF (rSFF I guess). That and the massive overperformance on Snake. It is still impressive and shows Bowser is capable of strong things.

KB
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Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 10:17:43 PM | message detail
Yeah, I used to be a big supporter of Bowser > Ganondorf, at least on the basis of SFF, but after this...Crono would have to own Sonic in order for the two to be within striking distance of one another.

...That makes me sad.
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As you wish.
Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/27/2006 10:18:52 PM | message detail
I bet now you guys are going to come up with some incredibly random and far fetched reason for Crono apparently boosting now.

>_>


<_<

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Sir Crono | Posted 10/27/2006 10:19:27 PM | message detail
Crono doesn't need a reason to boost. 2005 is the only year where it doesn't look like he did.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/27/2006 10:25:24 PM | message detail
That is a big if.

It's not really that big, no. I'm not saying that Ganon is ahead of Squall, but just that it is inconclusive right now on who is above who. You cannot use the previous match with Vincent as evidence to suggest that Squall is ahead because Vincent had plenty of reason to gain this year and looks to have done so. Either way, the two should end up very close to each other regardless. It would probably just be best to put Vincent > Ganon = Squall at this point.

SFF (rSFF I guess). That and the massive overperformance on Snake. It is still impressive and shows Bowser is capable of strong things.

A massive overperformance on Snake doesn't have anything to do with Bowser's strength; it has everything to do with Snake getting his sprite. I used to not believe that Snake's sprite did much, but after seeing him overrate characters for two straight years during that round...it's sort of undeniable. Needless to say, Ganon is projected to beat Bowser right now with 56%+ assuming a constant Sonic. And this is before Twilight Princess, which is just going to widen the gap by even more.

Ganon/Bowser was a nice match before this match began, but I doubt you'll find anyone in favor of Bowser at this point, even his strongest supporters. Ganon just too far ahead at this point.

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