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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 407

Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:01:17 AM | message detail
I'm not taking Luigi over Yoshi. I'm not betting on any sort of hierarchy shift happening in the Nintendo pecking order, and as arrogant as it sounds, to think otherwise is probably hopeless optimism. As close as Yoshi/Luigi was as SFF affairs go, it was pretty damn decisive. Luigi doesn't just need a Nintendo-centric influx, he needs a Luigi-centric influx.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:01:26 AM | message detail
Luigi is the Vincent of this contest, no doubt, unless some magical Noble Nine upset happens. I had him going out in round 1 with ease and he's made me look stupid. if I had to pick a star of round 2...

yeah, Luigi I guess. there have been more impressive performances, but I don't put too much stock in blowing out fodder. Yoshi's performance was also good.

speaking of Yoshi, does anyone take him over Zero before this contest? cause I woulda taken Zero regardless.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:02:16 AM | message detail
and yeah, I still take Yoshi over Luigi. I see no reason for a hierarchy change unless you think NSMB is just that huge.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:02:57 AM | message detail
I would have struggled to all hell with Yoshi/Zero, and probably taken Yoshi in an 'upset' based on the whole "Yoshi must be proportionally X stronger than Luigi" argument.

Sure, the logic would have been totally wrong, but who cares!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/27/2006 12:03:24 AM | message detail
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janembaman | Posted 10/27/2006 12:04:18 AM | message detail
Seeing Luigi winning makes me feel better about Zero lose...
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:04:33 AM | message detail
Huh. Looks like Luigi is owning the dead vote. Unless this is another Mega Man/Axel, Kirby will probably bring this down during morning, but I really doubt it'll be enough.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:05:27 AM | message detail
weird, the update same time posted or something.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:07:59 AM | message detail
So how's that Dante vs Kirby match supposed to go this year?

If Luigi finishes with what he has now (51.77%) and is equal to Yoshi, Dante beats Kirby with 51.23%.

Now, obviously Kirby looks better in that setup the closer this match ends.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:09:41 AM | message detail
Who do you pick in Kirby/Yoshi? And what does that say about Bowser/Yoshi? I don't think it's unwarranted to think that doing a percent worse against a common opponent than someone who's supposed to beat you with, oh, 62% of the vote implies a pretty significant shift.

Better yet, does Luigi beat Kirby last year? What does that say about Bowser/Tifa and Snake/Tifa? I know this match is closer than Yoshi/Luigi was, but a lot has happened since then.

I would, probably rightly, be in the minority in a Luigi/Yoshi rematch, but I don't think it's impossible for the tide to turn.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:09:45 AM | message detail
I don't know if I'd even trust Kirby being that high..

what would you expect Luigi to get on Tidus? just 1% higher than Kirby got?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:15:48 AM | message detail
I don't think it's unwarranted to think that doing a percent worse against a common opponent than someone who's supposed to beat you with, oh, 62% of the vote implies a pretty significant shift.

Luigi has been underrated, and going through the direct Nintendo hierarchy matchups for extrapolation is just plain asking for trouble.

Your question concerning Kirby/Yoshi and Bowser/Yoshi is a loaded one...despite this match, do I expect Luigi to break 48% on Bowser? HELL no. Kirby's fanbase is distinct enough to pull off what he does.

To me it just goes Mario > Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi > Kirby > Donkey Kong > Peach >= Wario, strictly speaking for the non-Zelda/Metroid gang.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:17:15 AM | message detail
Luigi > Samus? oh it's happening!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/27/2006 12:18:22 AM | message detail
Funny how in the Mario fanbase it goes Yoshi > Bowser, but for everyone else it's Bowser > Yoshi.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:19:54 AM | message detail
hmm.. does Yoshi outperform Bowser on Mario?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:21:48 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1753
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2328

Unless things are COMPLETELY different in a contest format, I bloody well hope so.
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Redtooth | Posted 10/27/2006 12:22:26 AM | message detail
I took Zero over Luigi without a second thought, but I would have thought a lot harder about taking Zero over Yoshi. I'm sure I would have still picked Zero...

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:22:32 AM | message detail
Yeah, we've discussed this before. The Mario poll suggests that he would, but I definitely wouldn't expect Bowser to collapse against Mega Man like Yoshi did either.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:23:33 AM | message detail
I think Yoshi tends to do well in those polls because he is always one of the best characters to pick in the Kart and Party games.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:24:12 AM | message detail
Doubting the KING OF SFF again, are we? No matter, he'll show you what's for when he's good and ready.
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YoboD | Posted 10/27/2006 12:25:05 AM | message detail
To me it just goes Mario > Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi > Kirby > Donkey Kong > Peach >= Wario, strictly speaking for the non-Zelda/Metroid gang.

Where would Fox and Ness go in that heirarchary?
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voltch | Posted 10/27/2006 12:25:20 AM | message detail
looks like this match started wildly.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:25:48 AM | message detail
I think Yoshi tends to do well in those polls because he is always one of the best characters to pick in the Kart and Party games.

That should carry over to his intrinsic contest strength, however (or at least in direct matches against Mario characters).

...and I thought that was HaRR's schtick! Damn, looks like I've got a competitor in propaganda! TIME TO TURN IT UP
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zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:26:32 AM | message detail
How do i access to "poll of the day", i want to see past contest result.
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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:27:06 AM | message detail
MM/Yoshi is flat out confusing to me. I wonder if Mario would beat him as bad sometimes.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:27:28 AM | message detail
Ah, Fox and Ness. Fox beats Peach but loses to DK -- although I see him being a viable upset there if for no other reason because it's Donkey Kong.

I continually seem to underestimate Ness, but I really have a hard time seeing him lose to Peach...I'll put him in that tier for safety's sake, still giving the edge to her.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:29:45 AM | message detail
Well, keep in mind being the best playable in Mario Kart would probably help him out in a poll where he is competiting against ALL of them.

And it would help him the least in a SFF match where he is not even facing a character from the Mario series, hence Mega Man.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:30:22 AM | message detail
MM/Yoshi is flat out confusing to me. I wonder if Mario would beat him as bad sometimes.

It'd be almost worth it to see Mega Man rebound from these bad performances and beat Snake for the third time, if only so he could potentially go on and humiliate Samus in the same way!

Those are the only two conclusions that will be satisfying to me -- Snake beating Mega Man, or Mega Man winning the main bracket. Crono/Sonic > Mega Man would be so boring to me.

(and Samus > MM would be humiliating <_<)
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:30:46 AM | message detail
Well, Luigi did better than Bowser in that poll, but would you expect him to hold up as well or better against Mario?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:31:11 AM | message detail
And it would help him the least in a SFF match where he is not even facing a character from the Mario series, hence Mega Man.

There's still Bowser, arguably the WORST in all those games...and he just mauled the poor dino.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:31:33 AM | message detail
Sonic or Snake winning the male bracket is a satisfying outcome for me. Samus winning is bleh, no matter how I look at it.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/27/2006 12:34:05 AM | message detail
Sonic or Snake winning the male bracket at this point is what I would want too. Snake for preference and Sonic for bringing Vincent and Ganon up.

Zelda beating Samus is probably the best outcome that could happen though !!

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greatone10 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:35:15 AM | message detail
Well, maybe Yoshi gets SFFed by Bowser because he was never on the NES, the games in which the Mario series probably gets most of his power. I don't really know, but it's worth a thought.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:36:42 AM | message detail
all I care is that we have a kickass final week. I'd like to see Samus win so she can have a little redemption after her bombing in 2k5, but for personal preference I'd probably like to see Crono pull it off.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:37:12 AM | message detail
Well, maybe Yoshi gets SFFed by Bowser because he was never on the NES

...Yoshi Cookie.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:37:44 AM | message detail
and I think the night vote is really kicking in here.. Kirby with some baaad updates.
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zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:37:50 AM | message detail
Snake or Sonic deserve to beat noble nine this year.
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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
zwong1 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:38:47 AM | message detail
Did Sonic ever had a match with Zero.
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After his match with Dante, Yoshi will do respectable against Snake
THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:38:59 AM | message detail
Sonic vs. Snake as the Male Bracket finals would be satisfying in the sense that people have always considered them to be the weak links in the Noble Nine because they've never beaten anyone in the group.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:40:15 AM | message detail
Oh right, that puzzle game with Yoshi. Still doesn't make up for the fact that he still missed Super Mario Bros. 1, 2, and 3.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:40:36 AM | message detail
Yeah, but come on, Mario World was HUGE, too.
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:40:38 AM | message detail
heh, favourites bracket:

Samus
Tifa
Aeris
Yuna (close)

Yoshi
Mega Man
Luigi (or Kirby, whatever)
Crono

Samus
Aeris

Mega Man
Crono

Samus
Crono

Crono
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greatone10 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:41:36 AM | message detail
I didn't say that it wasn't, but it's the only thing I can think of that would make Yoshi getting SFFed by Bowser really make any sense.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:41:44 AM | message detail
Great job of cursing Luigi's night vote, transience!
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:42:03 AM | message detail
darn you kirby

kirby wins!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/27/2006 12:42:45 AM | message detail
Luigi had better enjoy this, as there's not too many characters that he'd win the night vote against.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/27/2006 12:43:49 AM | message detail
Good thing his 3rd round opponent (if he makes it!) is one of them!

Hmmm...The Sonic day vote vs. the Mario day vote will be interesting to see. Shadow took it from Mario back in 2003, from what I recall, but trends were different then.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/27/2006 12:44:09 AM | message detail
Yoshi got SFFed by Bowser because Bowser is just preferred by the Mario fanbase here. That's really all it is to me. That's why I don't see Luigi taking that match against Yoshi -- same reasons.

Oh, and favorites bracket? Uh...do I have to use the remaining characters? >_<

Rikku
Tifa
Aeris
Yuna
Snake
Mega Man
Sonic
Auron

Rikku
Aeris
Snake
Sonic

Aeris
Snake

Snake
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transience | Posted 10/27/2006 12:44:32 AM | message detail
kirby's still a dum pink ball
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Lucid Faia | Posted 10/27/2006 12:44:35 AM | message detail
Nominate Mr. Sandman for SC2k7! Bedtime for Link!

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