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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 405

trannyscience | Posted 10/25/2006 2:05:40 PM | message detail
um zelda 1 was all right i guess
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 2:05:42 PM | message detail
"I'm calling bias if people jump on me for being a jackass in debates, yet let crap like this pass. "Your misguided opinion is crap and you're only arguing that OOT is overrated! I'm a mindreader and know these things! Really!"

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I'm not trying to be a jackass, just stating that most of MM was just recycling OOT elements. To end up with an all around better game than OOT if you consider everything would require them to do far more than they did.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/25/2006 2:05:52 PM | message detail
Ganon is so easy that I wear Iron Boots while fighting him.

And Volvagia is kind of fun, but easy as hell. Just hang off the edge when the rocks start to fall.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 2:05:59 PM | message detail
There are mine levels in gaming? I can't name more than a few.

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Mumei | Posted 10/25/2006 2:06:42 PM | message detail
Mine Levels automatically makes me think DKC. <_<

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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/25/2006 2:06:53 PM | message detail
um zelda 1 was all right i guess

LoZ is a very close fourth with TWW. All four are top 15!!

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 2:07:00 PM | message detail
Ganon was hard for me because I kept attacking him with the Biggoron's Sword.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/25/2006 2:07:09 PM | message detail
I'm not trying to be a jackass, just stating that most of MM was just recycling OOT elements. To end up with an all around better game than OOT if you consider everything would require them to do far more than they did.

I'm well aware that the good elements of MM are just OOT elements done better.

Oh and I lump ice levels in with water levels.

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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 2:07:32 PM | message detail
There are mine levels in gaming? I can't name more than a few.
RPG's
The second dungeon in LoZ:MC
And that annoying place in FFIX
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 2:08:31 PM | message detail
I'm not trying to be a jackass, just stating that most of MM was just recycling OOT elements. To end up with an all around better game than OOT if you consider everything would require them to do far more than they did.

If I were to make a game that was exactly the same as OoT, but added in a really cool optional boss fight on top of it, it would be a better game than OoT. MM owes its very existence to OoT, much like SMB3 owes its existence to SMB. I can still believe SMB3 >>> SMB, and I can do the same for MM and OoT.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/25/2006 2:10:30 PM | message detail
MM only has 4 dungeons though, and only one of them is really spectacular (obviously talking about Stone Temple). The first one completely sucked to say the least, the second was good, Great Bay sucked, and the leadup to it sucked (lol egg collecting), and I usually like water areas.

But, bosses in MM>OoT. I'll even tier them.

That thing in the second temple in MM (use Goron Link)>Majoras Mask>Ganon/dorf>Phantom Ganon>Volvagia>That thing in the 3rd temple in MM> Bongo Bongo>Twinrova>the rest (the rest kind of sucked to be honest).

That thing in the second temple though is quite possibly my favorite boss fight in any game ever.
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 2:13:00 PM | message detail
I only faced Majora as Fierce Deity Link...and I feel so noob about it now
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/25/2006 2:14:41 PM | message detail
There are mine levels in gaming? I can't name more than a few.

Radiata stories, megaman X, secret of mana, most donkey kong games, etc.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/25/2006 2:15:06 PM | message detail
Beating his first form as Zora Link was awesome. Forgot if I defeated any of his other forms as Zora though.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/25/2006 2:15:17 PM | message detail
Oh, and of course suikoden V... that mine was bloody annoying.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/25/2006 2:16:30 PM | message detail
**Suikoden V spoilers**



The forest/ruins where you get Killey is much, much worse.
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Terran | Posted 10/25/2006 2:19:00 PM | message detail
Last year Ryu only got 41.02% against Bowser. When Mega Man ended up falling short of 70% against Axel is suggested that Axel was more popular with KH fans then he's perhaps given credit for. Ryu though is a character with very established strength, isn't he?

Bowser couldn't beat Solid Snake last year, and there's a good chance that Mega Man might do worse against Ryu, is that a sign that Mega Man is weaker this year? Or would it be reading into this match too much to suggest that?

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Mumei | Posted 10/25/2006 2:19:04 PM | message detail
Zora Link needs to return. It was ****ing awesome. TWW would have been incredible with Zora Link and, you know, stuff underwater.

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 2:19:12 PM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 2:21:41 PM | message detail
Last year Ryu only got 41.02% against Bowser. When Mega Man ended up falling short of 70% against Axel is suggested that Axel was more popular with KH fans then he's perhaps given credit for. Ryu though is a character with very established strength, isn't he?

Bowser couldn't beat Solid Snake last year, and there's a good chance that Mega Man might do worse against Ryu, is that a sign that Mega Man is weaker this year? Or would it be reading into this match too much to suggest that?


What the hell do you think this is, the stats topic?
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 2:22:02 PM | message detail
"If I were to make a game that was exactly the same as OoT, but added in a really cool optional boss fight on top of it, it would be a better game than OoT."


So anotherwords no old game can ever be better than a new one except nostalgia purposes. That means I can take whatever your favorite game is and slap some extra scene or feature over it and it automatically outdos everything that the original ever accomplished, even if its lacking a lot of what made the original so great. Okay then. I just want to make sure this is the mentality of the people who think MM is better so I can understand what the heck their talking about. Thats not my idea of a better game though.

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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 2:22:10 PM | message detail
Bowser couldn't beat Solid Snake last year, and there's a good chance that Mega Man might do worse against Ryu, is that a sign that Mega Man is weaker this year? Or would it be reading into this match too much to suggest that?

Bowser **** overperformed...
Megaman currently is doing better than Snake did in 2003,and better than Sonic in 2004 (I can be wrong about the years)
And he only need 0.33% to match Samus performance against Ryu in 2002
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Mumei | Posted 10/25/2006 2:23:37 PM | message detail
So anotherwords no old game can ever be better than a new one except nostalgia purposes. That means I can take whatever your favorite game is and slap some extra scene or feature over it and it automatically outdos everything that the original ever accomplished, even if its lacking a lot of what made the original so great. Okay then. I just want to make sure this is the mentality of the people who think MM is better so I can understand what the heck their talking about. Thats not my idea of a better game though.

... You really need to read over what he said again.

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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 2:23:48 PM | message detail
Zora Link needs to return. It was ****ing awesome. TWW would have been incredible with Zora Link and, you know, stuff underwater.

Goron Link is good,too
Deku Link never happened
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Terran | Posted 10/25/2006 2:24:42 PM | message detail
Bowser **** overperformed...

But Bowser's overperformance was consistent. Maybe in most years he couldn't get 59% against Ryu, but in most years he probably couldn't have then gotten 49.5% against Snake.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 2:25:01 PM | message detail
Megaman currently is doing better than Snake did in 2003,

And if you believe in the sprite round hurting Snake, Snake/Ryu was a sprite round match. If you're complaining about the picture factor here, you can't possibly ignore the massive picture advantage Ryu had against Snake.

and better than Sonic in 2004 (I can be wrong about the years)

Except both Ryu and KOS-MOS imply that value is overrated, and even if it isn't MM is still underperforming.

And he only need 0.33% to match Samus performance against Ryu in 2002

Equaling pre-Metroid Prime Samus is not impressive in the slightest.
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Mumei | Posted 10/25/2006 2:25:15 PM | message detail
Goron Link is good,too
Deku Link never happened


Goron Link would sorta suck in TWW. But maybe in TP. <<

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/25/2006 2:27:52 PM | message detail
Hey, Deku Link was fun, and from what I remember, it required a lot of precision and strategy.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 2:28:10 PM | message detail
"That thing in the second temple in MM (use Goron Link)>"


Wasn't he basically the same thing as King Dodongo, only you roll into him instead of using bombs?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 2:29:51 PM | message detail
Wasn't he basically the same thing as King Dodongo, only you roll into him instead of using bombs?

The mere comparison of King Dodongo to Goht is laughable. Goht is so much better it isn't even funny.
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 2:30:10 PM | message detail
And if you believe in the sprite round hurting Snake, Snake/Ryu was a sprite round match. If you're complaining about the picture factor here, you can't possibly ignore the massive picture advantage Ryu had against Snake.

Still,Megaman and Snake both had picture disadvantage,so why cant we compare them?
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trannyscience | Posted 10/25/2006 2:31:02 PM | message detail
weird how Ryu's day vote is worse than his morning vote.. or is it Mega Man's afterschool vote is better? I have no idea, but at least he's going to end up near Bowser's percentage. probably a little bit lower, but you can explain that by variance or whatever you want. MM = Bowser? ehh, I still don't know what to make of this. I want to see Snake vs. Yoshi.

(I refuse to argue about a mediocre series! fear my elitism!)
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 10/25/2006 2:31:35 PM | message detail
MM is a very good game, but the story is shorter and there are only 4 main dungeons. That's what was wrong with MM and that's some of what was wrong with tWW. OOT had a better story and 8 main dungeons.

MM didn't have enough exploring, particularly when it came to finding heart pieces, too many were the result of side quests.

Yes the masks rocked, but half of them did nothing. Mask of Scents, who gives a ****? Postman's Hat, if there hadn't been a heart piece in a postbox, who gives a ****? Kamaro's Mask, if you did't get a heart piece for teaching the dance, who gives a ****?

I sure as hell didn't.

In short MM had some great ideas, but did not have the length or the story to back them up.
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Mumei | Posted 10/25/2006 2:32:00 PM | message detail
Goht was an awesome fight.

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wavedash101 | Posted 10/25/2006 2:35:04 PM | message detail
*brushes off tranny's elitism like it was a minor inconvience*
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 2:36:03 PM | message detail
Correct me if im wrong,but wasn't Twin Mold fight was just a hack and slash?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 2:41:37 PM | message detail
Still,Megaman and Snake both had picture disadvantage,so why cant we compare them?

Because if we're going to do something as inane as try to gauge picture factor, there's no way in hell that this is even close to the disadvantage Snake had. Mega Man looks a bit...kawaii, I suppose, but everyone with a brain knows that's still Mega Man.

You show that sprite of Snake to 100 random people and I doubt even a fifth recognize it as a person, let alone Solid ****ing Snake.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/25/2006 2:43:36 PM | message detail
In terms of dungeon bosses, Majora's Mask mixed in the great with the crap. Odalwa and Twinmold sucked. Gyorg was good for the sole reason that he was the only 3D Zelda boss (to my memory, anyway) that killed me. Man, was I ever pissed when that happened. Goht, despite being very easy, is probably the funnest boss to fight in either OoT or MM.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/25/2006 2:44:06 PM | message detail
I recognize it instantly! it's my favourite picture of him!

(to be fair, all other pictures of Snake are ugly.)

I refuse to believe that a significant portion of the voters don't recognize the name "Solid Snake". I don't care if you put a picture of Anna Nicole Smith there, Snake will still get votes.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/25/2006 2:44:33 PM | message detail
weird how Ryu's day vote is worse than his morning vote

Yeah, I've heard several times about how "X character's best time is the morning!" or "Y character's worse time is the morning!" but so far we have yet to have a case of a character doing any worse than the morning than they do in the after school. The closest it comes is Bowser, who roughly did about the same in both times.

The morning vote is only really different on weekends
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 2:45:46 PM | message detail
I recognize it instantly! it's my favourite picture of him!

(to be fair, all other pictures of Snake are ugly.)

I refuse to believe that a significant portion of the voters don't recognize the name "Solid Snake". I don't care if you put a picture of Anna Nicole Smith there, Snake will still get votes.


Indeed, but the same should be even MORE true for Mega Man. You can't try to argue that this performance is based on the picture of all things, at least based on that assumption.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/25/2006 2:46:42 PM | message detail
So has anything interesting in this topics been happening lately? I haven't been keeping up since about 400 other than the whole LUEshi thing and what not >_>
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trannyscience | Posted 10/25/2006 2:48:23 PM | message detail
oh I agree, Snake sprites are worse than four year old girly Mega Man. but I don't think either is at a significant disadvantage based on pictures.
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Kegger9 | Posted 10/25/2006 3:23:17 PM | message detail
Quest 64 and DQ8 have good mine levels


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BDawg | Posted 10/25/2006 3:30:01 PM | message detail
Megaman looks like he's drawn by an 8 year old, that's why he's racking up the kiddies.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/25/2006 3:30:52 PM | message detail
Crap, I just realized my oracle is screwed today...
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/25/2006 3:33:23 PM | message detail
Quest 64 was highly underrated
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cyko | Posted 10/25/2006 3:39:45 PM | message detail
yeah, i began to get nervous about Mega Man's chances against Snake after his match with Axel. after Luigi pounded Zero, i got a little more nervous. but after seeing Mega Man crap out today, i'm REALLY nervous about his match with Snake. that match could decide who has the winning bracket. although, it will absolutely make my day to see it be a sprite round where Snake gets his 8-bit sprite and Mega Man finally gets a pic of a fully equipped Mega Man X. oh yeah.

and when i saw people talking about mine levels, i also INSTANTLY thought of Donkey Kong Country.

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